Post Match [Round 18, 2021] - Warriors vs Panthers Post Match Discussion

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Warriors
Vs
Panthers
16 Suncorp Stadium
18 Jul 2021 16:00
80th minute
30

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Toookey

1st Grade Fringe
May 3, 2021
209
I go on our points differential. It dos not lie. It says we should be 11th not 14th.
I wonder if other teams may have different point differential (including us) if they also had fielded 32 players this year, or have lost 4 players in a match?

Points differential doesn't lie, but there’s so many factors to how that points differential has come about.
 

BeastMode

Warriors 1st Grader
Mar 7, 2015
8,765
Jeeze Bruce lighten up. No one is claiming that we’re a top 2 team and it’s only that darn luck stopping us from winning the competition.

Surely you’re able to acknowledge that we have had a bit of luck go against us this year. I don’t think we’ve been able to field the same team twice, we’ve probably had to use the most players out of any team in the comp, even this weekend when we lost 4 players in the first half when we’ve probably picked our best team.
It’s down right unlucky.
And that’s not even going into the shitty/unfortunate calls that we have to deal with being Warrior supporters.

Had the bounce of the ball gone our way a few more times this season, we’d be making the 8 comfortably. Just one of those things
yeah, lighten up bruce bruce 🤭
 

Dixpat

All in the Brown stuff!
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Feb 3, 2014
1,345
Auckland
As to Evans wrist band, Cameron George was made aware of it during the game and went to the Bench and had it covered. He said during the game wasn't the time to go further with it, and I agree. Now waiting on the NRL As for it being picked up, who reads wristbands, really.
Do you think the TV producer would have put to air Evans wrist band if it had said “Hi mum” or something similar?
 
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TheCool

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 18, 2013
1,618
Or was it a case of we were going to let papalii go anyway so let's try get one from Parramatta as compensation? Evans won't be re signed when his next contract us up surely! We have Addin Fonua-Blake, Lodge, just need two young pups under these two and I don't believe it's anyone they have at the club already?
If you look at it as a trade, would rather nothing in return (and have the cap flexibility) than Evans
 
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Louim8

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 19, 2020
195
I go on our points differential. It dos not lie. It says we should be 11th not 14th.
I know your a stats man but with better play from our halves and if we were able to have more consistant team selections due to player availability and poor coaching, theres no doubt in my mind that we would be performing better and thus have a better record and points differential.
 
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Raw Power

1st Grade Fringe
Aug 30, 2016
966
Brisbane
Are you saying we have not had bad luck this season?

At this point comparing the storm and the system thay has been in place there for years to the rebuilding and homeless warriors is kind of pointless. Theres a huge gap between the top sides in this comp and the rest of the pack.
Was there any difference in the homeless Bellamy side last year and the Melbourne based side the preceding years before?... none really!
Your are right that it is not ideal comparing the Warriors to Melbourne as we are so far behind in countless ways but...

I'd got back to the improvement to our homeless squad in the final games last year to see it is all about managing attitude.
 

Canadian_WarriorFan

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 13, 2013
668
Apologies if this has been asked but what would have happened if another of our players had gotten hurt during the game and had five players down. would we have played with only 12?
 

Burncity warrior

1st Grade Fringe
May 11, 2021
222
Was there any difference in the homeless Bellamy side last year and the Melbourne based side the preceding years before?... none really!
Your are right that it is not ideal comparing the Warriors to Melbourne as we are so far behind in countless ways but...

I'd got back to the improvement to our homeless squad in the final games last year to see it is all about managing attitude.
Did you catch chaddys vlog about his first week back at the warriors? Haha, these guys are staying with their families in a 5 star resort. Not wanting for anything, waited on hand and foot.

Yes we've been unlucky but we have still been poor all the same.
 

Navigator

Christchurch Born n bred white bait fed.
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May 19, 2012
2,241
Brisbane Queensland Australia
Apologies if this has been asked but what would have happened if another of our players had gotten hurt during the game and had five players down. would we have played with only 12?
Yes, unless it was foul play that they had to leave the field
 

mrblonde

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 14, 2012
3,946
Auckland
Ask Bellamy why he is so lucky, he makes it, with no excuses.
Well, the NRL rolling over like good little doggies and letting the Storm bring in wrestling, chicken wing tackles and other things that either the NRL penalise "every so often" (until the media whinge about "penalties ruin the spectacle") or have given up on and are now part of the game has certainly played a part.

Admittedly there's a certain amount of anti-Melbourne bias in the NRL Sydney mafia, but those changes to the game have come from the Storm and what they've put in place. To be totally fair, Bellamy and co are entitled to do that and push the NRL as far as they can. Seems to be a fair way, though.

But ask yourself if any other club would only have lost their NRL Premierships and Minor Premierships if they'd done what the Storm did? Clubs would have been on reduced salary caps, players would have told to move on...

I have this nagging thought about Sundays game and that is the people who should have been tired and would have been subbed did not leak the tries, they actually lifted and were quite heroic. The tries happened the same as they would have anyway and so we have something structurally wrong with our defence. So the excuse that we had to play without subs doesn't quite stack up because that wasn't why we let in those tries its just papering over the cracks for a week.
But I still feel somehow not as bad with this weeks effort so its not making sense in my own head either.

No, it makes complete sense. You're right: We have good players who will actually lift when they have to ie when they know they have to keep going because there's no-one else. They won't lift. however, because they can. Seeing them lift on Sunday was impressive as hell, but I remember way back in 2011 when we went to - funnily enough - the Panthers at Penrith. Everyone was saying "if the Warriors want to win, they can't afford to get into the grind with the Panthers. The Panthers like to grind and dominate through their defence, that's how they beat you." So the Warriors got dominated by the Panthers and had to get into the grind. I was thinking "come on boys, just keep it respectable." The final result: Warriors 13 Panthers 12. But did we learn from that attitude/performance? No. Same as I'm not confident the entire team will learn from Sunday's second half effort.
 

mrblonde

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 14, 2012
3,946
Auckland
Yes, unless it was foul play that they had to leave the field
Except we would have had to play with 12 regardless. Wayde's shoulder was apparantly saying a loud Nup No Way Today when it came to practising passing on the sidelines...
 

bruce

Warriors 1st Grader
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Sep 1, 2015
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Admittedly there's a certain amount of anti-Melbourne bias in the NRL Sydney mafia, but those changes to the game have come from the Storm and what they've put in place. To be totally fair, Bellamy and co are entitled to do that and push the NRL as far as they can. Seems to be a fair way, though.
The Melbourne practice of pushing the limits is a symptom not a cause.

I can't imaging some dumb Melbourne forward getting to run out with an obscene wristband.
 

Juno

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 2, 2018
269
Did you catch chaddys vlog about his first week back at the warriors? Haha, these guys are staying with their families in a 5 star resort. Not wanting for anything, waited on hand and foot.

Yes we've been unlucky but we have still been poor all the same.
Lol at you guys that think WHERE they're staying makes a difference because its 5 star. Chad's just arrived remember, he's been living a relatively normal life in Canberra (sorry, Sharksville) up till then.
I liken what the Warriors have had to do for the past 2 seasons+ as me and 60 or so of my co-workers (management, staff, etc) went to work one day and we were told we were picking up all our work gear and heading into a hotel by ourselves to continue our work, no outside contact, just us & eventually immediate family members if we're lucky for nigh on 2 years. I love my work, going to work & working with some great co-workers, socialising in the staff room & even the odd social evening - but live with with them 24/7, either side of me, above and below, there every time I go out of my digs? No other face, no extended family visits for a break from co-workers? I like my co-workers but I'd never choose to live in close quarters with any of them.

I am proud of the guys for persisting but it would do my head in & no amount of luxury could stop the insiduous feeling of being trapped that I know I would begin to feel (pretty early on too) and couldn't do anything about!!! Really, put yourself there & see if you can understand a smidgeon of what they're going through...5-star hotel pffft - just doesn't compensate. Neither does money

PLUS being the only ones to have to do it - look at how some of the ozzie players have handled just a taste of it! Our guys are down because they have become down in the situation they are in. Poor buggers got a HUGE carrot dangled with a game at Mt Smart only to have it cancelled - how crushing that must have felt in their state? And all this talk of handling the team by Payten - jeez, he didn't handle anything and wasn't teaching them anything, just looked after No.1, only a fool can't see that. Back then the boys still had bit of spirit to fight back - them, not Payten.

Sorry mate, all that's not aimed at you specifically, the Chad remarks set me off. Covid carry-on is getting to me (and we're free as a breeze really) but if it can play on all our minds over time, the warriors as individuals and as a team are far from exempt. Loved the show of spirit last week & about time some of them stepped up, I think Harris and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck were suffering a bit of burnout from trying to carry too much of the load over time plus feeling the effects of the above...kia kaha the Warriors!!
 
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KiwiinJapan

Warriors Bench Player
Apr 3, 2016
62
While this losing streak never looks like ending, the forced changes to the team are always going to make playing with any rhythm difficult. If you look at each game individually, it is depressing, but there are some good signs.
 

Burncity warrior

1st Grade Fringe
May 11, 2021
222
Lol at you guys that think WHERE they're staying makes a difference because its 5 star. Chad's just arrived remember, he's been living a relatively normal life in Canberra (sorry, Sharksville) up till then.
I liken what the Warriors have had to do for the past 2 seasons+ as me and 60 or so of my co-workers (management, staff, etc) went to work one day and we were told we were picking up all our work gear and heading into a hotel by ourselves to continue our work, no outside contact, just us & eventually immediate family members if we're lucky for nigh on 2 years. I love my work, going to work & working with some great co-workers, socialising in the staff room & even the odd social evening - but live with with them 24/7, either side of me, above and below, there every time I go out of my digs? No other face, no extended family visits for a break from co-workers? I like my co-workers but I'd never choose to live in close quarters with any of them.

I am proud of the guys for persisting but it would do my head in & no amount of luxury could stop the insiduous feeling of being trapped that I know I would begin to feel (pretty early on too) and couldn't do anything about!!! Really, put yourself there & see if you can understand a smidgeon of what they're going through...5-star hotel pffft - just doesn't compensate. Neither does money

PLUS being the only ones to have to do it - look at how some of the ozzie players have handled just a taste of it! Our guys are down because they have become down in the situation they are in. Poor buggers got a HUGE carrot dangled with a game at Mt Smart only to have it cancelled - how crushing that must have felt in their state? And all this talk of handling the team by Payten - jeez, he didn't handle anything and wasn't teaching them anything, just looked after No.1, only a fool can't see that. Back then the boys still had bit of spirit to fight back - them, not Payten.

Sorry mate, all that's not aimed at you specifically, the Chad remarks set me off. Covid carry-on is getting to me (and we're free as a breeze really) but if it can play on all our minds over time, the warriors as individuals and as a team are far from exempt. Loved the show of spirit last week & about time some of them stepped up, I think Harris and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck were suffering a bit of burnout from trying to carry too much of the load over time plus feeling the effects of the above...kia kaha the Warriors!!
I get it's not ideal mate, but you are reaalllyyy over exaggerating how bad they have it. These guys are getting paid massive amounts of money to live in luxury with their families and play footy. Come on. Maybe that sounds horrible to you, but try telling that to the thousands of people that have lost their jobs and all the rest(no need to flog a dead horse, we all know how some people have suffered).

Is living in a hotel conducive to playing their best footy? Probably not. But please let's not try and make it sound like they are living in a concentration camp.. they have been poor this year, under unusual circumstances yes but still poor considering games have been there to win. Losing games 6 times in the last 5 mins has nothing to do with anything except poor execution, poor decision making and mental weakness.

I'm behind them all the way but I'll still say it like I see it. You may see it differently and that's fine mate.
 
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Dixpat

All in the Brown stuff!
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Feb 3, 2014
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Except we would have had to play with 12 regardless. Wayde's shoulder was apparantly saying a loud Nup No Way Today when it came to practising passing on the sidelines...
So you are saying that the 18th man couldn’t be brought on? I’m almost with Navigator on this one, foul play, offender binned, 18th activated
 

Juno

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 2, 2018
269
I get it's not ideal mate, but you are reaalllyyy over exaggerating how bad they have it. These guys are getting paid massive amounts of money to live in luxury with their families and play footy. Come on. Maybe that sounds horrible to you, but try telling that to the thousands of people that have lost their jobs and all the rest(no need to flog a dead horse, we all know how some people have suffered).

Is living in a hotel conducive to playing their best footy? Probably not. But please let's not try and make it sound like they are living in a concentration camp.. they have been poor this year, under unusual circumstances yes but still poor considering games have been there to win. Losing games 6 times in the last 5 mins has nothing to do with anything except poor execution, poor decision making and mental weakness.

I'm behind them all the way but I'll still say it like I see it. You may see it differently and that's fine mate.
I agree there's been some moments of poor play but I would argue that their resilience is greatly affected overall - that in a game is your fight back at the end or in key moments. Thats the head stuff that seeps through a team in spite of everything. I'm not making an excuse for dumb stuff, just the stuff when you have to pull on all your reserves (mental reserves) and you flounder to do that.

Re the concentration camp...nothing compares to that of course. But a gilded cage may be a gilded but a cage is a cage nonetheless.

I can walk down the road or hop on my car and go see anyone I want, even fly around the country & do the same. You probably can too. Imagine if you couldn't. For months on end.

Some mental health fallout from all of this is playing out...they're no different to other parts of society in that respect
What they did in the last game showed they have some resiliency - hope they can build on that, some times it takes those moments to turn things around
 

Cces

1st Grade Fringe
Aug 12, 2013
263
Christchurch
While we're right to heap praise on some individuals for their performances last weekend in trying circumstances, the cold hard facts is that we had over 4 minutes more possession than the Panthers, a 7-0 penalty count in our favour & still gained 350 less Run Metres than Penrith who made 0.5 Post Contact Metres more than us on every carry
 
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