General Right Side Defence

Stegasorus

Hi All,
I'm new here, so..yeah... hi.

Anyway. I just wondered what people's opinions were about our right side defence. It's obviously a major weakness. Does Elliot just play Hurrell first half and Peroux second half/when we start to slide? I mean, does he just keep persevering with Hurrell, hoping he'll start to read the game better? He's doing incredibly well considering this is his third season in the code. I know he is amazing on attack, but is it better to start him on the wing? Has laumape ever played in the centres?
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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Hurrell must be persisted with. He seems to play better with Fisiiahi outside him and the Warriors do have the structure on defence where Konrad plays inside Mannering and Fisiiahi. I think it was against the Broncos that Konnie was playing inside Lillyman, Mannering and Fisiiahi.

One of Konrads biggest problems is that teams simply target him till he's out of gas and that not only causes problems for his defence but also stifles his attack. He'll come right IMO. Knowing that he's not indispensable and that Elliott wont hesitate to drop him to the Vulcans will go a long way to solving his issues. You have to admit that since coming back to 1st Grade he has shown a good deal of improvement.

Same goes for Laumape. He already has a good footy brain and is mostly a good reader on D. I believe he only let one try in being O'Neills one in the 1st half where he simply got smoked on the outside. Laumape IMO isnt a winger anyway.

The main problems with our right is that they just arent numbering up properly and are either sliding backwards or getting caught flat footed. When that happens no one seems to want to make a call and try shut play down before it reaches the edge. Watching the highlights and this could be true of the Storm game. Left side let in just as many tries and Manu is lucky to have Neilsen really.

I think the right edge has improved since Tupou was cut. Could be wrong. Might dig out the stats...
 
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Sup42

Sup42

Laumapes a center.

As simple as Putting Peroux on the Wing and Laumape at center might sought this fear of losing impact out.

Hurrell as Elliots shown is best developing ( as is Hurrell ) with stints in the Vulcans imo till he gets it right.

I see next year as an opportunity to have a very dangerous spine with Tomkins and Johnson plus TL....that's more than enough go to make a dire need for people who run over other people less urgent.

As for the Forwards , go nuts , find room for a Fit Packer and Matangi ( means Mutts or Sam H in the back row ).

Run over people in the middle.....use the back line to go past around and between people.
 
edd

edd

It's tough to read the attacking players intentions, but if we can cut down their options with good positional play that helps a lot.

Running away from the player with the ball definitely isn't good positional play.

I reckon stand fast and attack the player with the ball or shadow and intimidate a possible receiver. Put as must pressure as possible on them and make them take risks. Do all this before trying to predict what they will choose to do and we can cut down their options into the options we want them to take (or pressure them into making a mistake).

Never, never, never try and predict what they will do with the ball. Herd them like cattle into a tight corner and smash anyone holding the hot potato. Or if they have an overlap take a big leap at the receiver and hope for a good result. But always look to cut their options off.

"Reading the play" means seeing their possible options and blocking them.

We can't control what they will choose to do, but we can control how much space they have to do it in.

My 2 cents. Coaching from the lazy boy.... Ha Ha..

PS: They don't call him danger because he's a danger man, they call him danger because he can see the danger coming from the opposition (most of the time he does guys, come on, gota think positive about yourself in defense, no point dwelling over mistakes when you need to be hurting the opposition. Ha Ha).
 
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edd

edd

Laumapes a center.

As simple as Putting Peroux on the Wing and Laumape at center might sought this fear of losing impact out.

Hurrell as Elliots shown is best developing ( as is Hurrell ) with stints in the Vulcans imo till he gets it right.

I see next year as an opportunity to have a very dangerous spine with Tomkins and Johnson plus TL....that's more than enough go to make a dire need for people who run over other people less urgent.

As for the Forwards , go nuts , find room for a Fit Packer and Matangi ( means Mutts or Sam H in the back row ).

Run over people in the middle.....use the back line to go past around and between people.
I think we definetly need someone with good defensive experience out on the right side to lead the rookies so that they can hunt as a pack.
 
Ref

Ref

From high up in the East stand it was obvious we were not marking man on man and Storm always had the overlap on us and we had one too many men to mark.
 
Fazz

Fazz

In relation to the rest of this year, I think that Laumape and Hurrell should be persisted with, at least for a few more weeks. That game was the first absolute shocker we've seen from Laumape and it was against an excellent team. Also DP coming on late in the game seems to be really adding some spark. I'd be hesitant to break them apart just yet. Maybe switching Hurrell and Nielson would be a good idea if things continue to go a bit pear-shaped though?
 
Rukawarriorzfan

Rukawarriorzfan

Keep Hurrell where he is l'deep end' learning seems to be improving him and having Peyroux as a defensive sub seems to be working ok at the mo, even fish had his moments out wide, attacking patterns of the modern game use the side lines so much more effectively the cut out, and the attacking flat line have meant wingers and centers need to communicate far more effectively, and, more importantly spend a lot of time together knowing what the man next to you is going to do before he does it only comes from a consistent team list. Dont forget next year the spine will no doubt be changing, what about Locke on the right edge no doubting 'nobbys' got talent do we want it going overseas?
 
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Trailrider

From high up in the East stand it was obvious we were not marking man on man and Storm always had the overlap on us and we had one too many men to mark.


It's actually hard sometimes to assess what's going on when watching a game on TV because the broadcasters tend to favour lots of ground level, close up, front on and side on shots. Basically angles and perspectives that make it hard or impossible to assess a player's or a team's attacking and defensive options because so much of what's happening on the field can't be seen. That's why it's good to hear from people who were actually at the game and could see everything. From my limited perspective it looked like our defensive line was really compressed at times and this meant that the Storm, through quick ball movement, could easily create overlaps against our right side.
 
Ref

Ref

It was compressed all right, so when Storm spin it wide, we start to panic shuffle back and across and lose 20 meters in the process before an attempt at tackle is made
The situation was compounded by the Storms slick 2nd man plays where every runner looks like he is going to get the ball, which holds our defence in.
Things are further compounded of the winger has dropped back anticipating a kick
The danger time seems to be tackle 3 and 4 when we are defending between 60 and 30 metres out.
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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Defence on right edge a weak spot for Warriors
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OWNING UP: Warriors coach Matt Elliott.

Earlier this season the Warriors' biggest problem was blowing games in the last 10 minutes; now it's their poor defence on the right edge.

Warriors coach Matt Elliott concedes all of the other NRL teams know about this issue. So it will surprise no-one to see the Sea Eagles launch attack after attack to where Konrad Hurrell and Ngani Laumape are standing tomorrow.

The two players' defensive deficiencies were exposed in the 18-14 loss to the Sharks on Saturday. They have been doing extra work to sort this out.

"They've got stuff they need to improve on and they need to be responding to what they do at practice," Elliott said.

"There has been improvement there, but we've also sent an advertisement out to the competition that if you come at our right side consistently there will be some joy. We need to accept that."

With five games to go and the Warriors one point out of the top eight, tomorrow's game against the Sea Eagles isn't a must-win contest. But getting the victory against a side that has won their last five games is one of the toughest challenges left for the Warriors in 2013.

Kieran Foran, Justin Horo and Steve Matai are three of the Sea Eagles' New Zealand players who've been in exceptional form lately.

"What we do know about the opposition is that they don't lack experience in big games and they'll see this as a big game.

"We've already proved that we're a handful. We just need to make sure we bring that commitment," Elliott said.

The Warriors have won just eight of their 24 previous encounters against the Sea Eagles.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9025003/Defence-on-right-edge-a-weak-spot-for-Warriors
 

Marshthedarsh

Tupou's problem was he always came in too far. Never seemed to be fixed, but Fish nor Laumape have the same issue to his extent. Only thing you can do is work on it I guess.
 
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It's tough to read the attacking players intentions, but if we can cut down their options with good positional play that helps a lot.

Running away from the player with the ball definitely isn't good positional play.
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But that's what I want them to do! Run away from the player, with the ball, then when they reach the try line, touch it down. If they do that enough times, we win! ;)
 
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wallacenz

wallacenz

Tupou's problem was he always came in too far. Never seemed to be fixed, but Fish nor Laumape have the same issue to his extent. Only thing you can do is work on it I guess.
fish and hurrell looked solid playing together and they got better as the season went on.

the teams using a compressed defence from what i can see, defending inside out, and i wonder if fish with his extra pace is more capable of playing that style
previous years we defended outside in and almost every winger was caught out coming in to assist the centre in one on ones, the last couple of games we are getting run around and beaten on the outside because our players are too far in field
 
Matulino's Left Shoulder

Matulino's Left Shoulder

if we are to concede tries, obv i'd rather it be in the corner. its the shit where a guy goes in untouched from a scrum up the middle that really grinds my gears.
 
edd

edd

It's tough to read the attacking players intentions, but if we can cut down their options with good positional play that helps a lot.

Running away from the player with the ball definitely isn't good positional play.
.....



But that's what I want them to do! Run away from the player, with the ball, then when they reach the try line, touch it down. If they do that enough times, we win! ;)
There are two ways to look at it, as I understand winning: either score more points than our opposition, or prevent the opposition from scoring more points than we do... Against the sharks we tried to score more points than them and came up short, against the storm we prevented 5 possible storm tries in the first half alone, and won....

I reckon we need to focus on stopping manly scoring, then the pressure will eventually break them and when they open up our strike weapons can attack and score...

They'll most likely try the same so it will come down to who wants it the most and who holds their composure under pressure the longest. Both teams are good enough to win today, but one team may show up hungry and the other may not...
 

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