General Religious Discussion Thread

J_P

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That's true but when an organisation peaches a set of principles but fails to live up to them because it wants to hide the misdeeds of its members then the culture of that organisation must be questioned, I would say it is rotten to the core if it puts reputation before the lives of children.
Sad thing is this happens in every religion. I've mentioned a few times on here I'm Indian, my religion is Sikh which I'm sure most of you have heard of. I wouldn't consider myself highly religious due to the fact i drink and eat meat both things not allowed in my religion but I still go temple on special occasions and try to follow rest of the religion. I follow a few Indian pages on Instagram including 1 that focus's on helping sexual assault victims in our community. I was surprised to read the amount of people that had been assaulted or molested at temples as children, both boys and girls. By people in power too. Worst part, some were protected and the victim outcast. After reading those stories I don't let my kids stay at the temple unattended as me and my brother were allowed to when we were younger. Luckily nothing happened to us.
 
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J_P

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My inlaws are very staunch Christians an even though my wife dosen't go to church anymore its ingrained in her to her core.
About a year ago her farther got diagnosed with cancer an so came the horrible decline that im sure some of you would of seen an he passed away 2 months later.
Before he died he gave me some little book to read (not the bible ) and said to me that he really wants to see me in heaven an it would mean alot to him if I could read it.
He worked hard all his life as a shearer an didnt have money but he had a big family with 16 grandkids that thought the world of him and were all children of god so to speak.
Im going the long way but the point im trying to get at is he was probably the nicest man I have met and a huge part of it was his faith.
Theres arsholes in every corner of life but some people are better for religion.
Me I just want my kids to grow up with empathy an tolerance for others and to honor thy father an mother lol.
I've been a real slack arse an havnt got round to that book. I guess im waiting for a time it might be more helpful mabey. Sorry to rant im sure others have been stuck in a religious tractor beam aswel haha.
Thanks for sharing. I'm in the very much same mindset as you. I have respect for all religions but end of the day as long as you're a good person I'll respect you regardless of religion.
Which ironically is 1 of the principles of my religion. And unfortunately is ignored by alot of followers of it
 

J_P

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Already started, happy holiday rather than happy Christmas apparently.
I heard this a lot on the last days of work before the holidays. I felt offended thinking they're catering to me. Just say Merry Christmas ffs. Tbf they may have just been saying it genuinely and after a few thoughts i gave them the benefit of the doubt.
Btw i can't speak for every religion but from what i understand no non Christian is offended if you say Merry Christmas to them.
 

Gizzyfan

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I heard this a lot on the last days of work before the holidays. I felt offended thinking they're catering to me. Just say Merry Christmas ffs. Tbf they may have just been saying it genuinely and after a few thoughts i gave them the benefit of the doubt.
Btw i can't speak for every religion but from what i understand no non Christian is offended if you say Merry Christmas to them.

I spoke to a Muslim family, they celebrate Christmas but not in a religious sense, much as most 'christians' do.
 

J_P

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Aug 4, 2020
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I spoke to a Muslim family, they celebrate Christmas but not in a religious sense, much as most 'christians' do.
Most immigrants to NZ will follow the traditions due to kids demanding it from seeing it at school. My parents who i believe would be considered first generation still gave us Christmas presents. I just recently found out they are starting to celebrate Christmas back home in Punjab in the larger cities. Anyone that comes to NZ and is anti Christmas is a very backwards person that even i would look at funny.
 

J_P

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Aug 4, 2020
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Because it's already happening in a lot of places. Cancel culture. Already being referred to as the holiday season.
I just posted but i think you're being insecure bro , Easter and Christmas aren't going anywhere.
 

Inruin

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I just posted but i think you're being insecure bro , Easter and Christmas aren't going anywhere.
Perhaps. The public holiday will remain but I will be very surprised if they will remain being referred to as Easter and Christmas, certainly in the media anyway. Would also not surprise me to see a petition or drive if some kind for a name change
 
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bruce

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I just posted but i think you're being insecure bro , Easter and Christmas aren't going anywhere.
The evangelical industry in NZ won't let it happen, but FFS apart from them who does anything religious on Good Friday?

For employers and self employed it is just an expensive pain in the arse.
 
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J_P

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The evangelical industry in NZ won't let it happen, but FFS apart from them who does anything religious on Good Friday?

For employers and self employed it is just an expensive pain in the arse.
This I agree with. I believe the mitre 10 stores in Manukau and Mt Wellington open anyway and just risk/deal with the fine later from memory.
 

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The evangelical industry in NZ won't let it happen, but FFS apart from them who does anything religious on Good Friday?

For employers and self employed it is just an expensive pain in the arse.
I would suggest fewer and fewer do anything religious on those days. However, everyone still takes the day off and enjoys it. There are only 3 and a half days in the year that places have to be closed for.

They holidays will remain but some one will eventually be up in arms that it is called Christmas or Easter.....
 
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J_P

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I would suggest fewer and fewer do anything religious on those days. However, everyone still takes the day off and enjoys it. There are only 3 and a half days in the year that places have to be closed for.

They holidays will remain but some one will eventually be up in arms that it is called Christmas or Easter.....
3 and a half? I thought it was 2 and a half. Christmas, good Friday and half day Anzac.
 

Noitall

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Aug 21, 2019
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The evangelical industry in NZ won't let it happen, but FFS apart from them who does anything religious on Good Friday?

For employers and self employed it is just an expensive pain in the arse.
I’m not sure they can stop it, I feel it’s just a natural progression that’s driving this. I think there’s much more of an awareness out there to the commerciality that has been cast on these so called religious times of remembrance. Santa wore a green suit until Coca Cola’s colours became the Santa we think of today through their ads and commercialism targeting an audience. Many I have contact with see this now as a magical time for children and see it as adults as nothing more than a holiday. Whether that’s a rejection of the commercial side of Christmas or a breakaway of Christianity and the true meanings of these times we celebrate, I’m not sure. Just what I’ve noticed in people in my life.
 

J_P

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Easter Sunday? Unless that has changed?
I may have it mixed up but I thought it was one the 1 day everything is closed over Easter from memory. Either good Friday or Easter Sunday not both. May have to go look it up.
Edit: looks like you were right.
I always remembered it just being the 1 day closed for some reason. Just be getting old 🤣.

Second edit: having skimmed through the article it seems shops are allowed to open on Easter Sunday?
 
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J_P

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They holidays will remain but some one will eventually be up in arms that it is called Christmas or Easter.....
Coming from a non Christian I don't know anyone that has a problem with it being referred to as such. I've got a few devout Muslim mates and even they say Merry Christmas etc to me. Now people in power with an agenda is a different story.
 

Miket12

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Coming from a non Christian I don't know anyone that has a problem with it being referred to as such. I've got a few devout Muslim mates and even they say Merry Christmas etc to me. Now people in power with an agenda is a different story.
It's interesting that the first five books of the Old Testament (in the Bible), the Torah or Pentateuch (the first five books of the Jewish religious text) and the first five books of the Koran are basically identical. Most Muslims consider Jewish and Christian leaders such as Moses, Abraham and Jesus as Muslim prophets.... they just consider Mohammad to be the greatest of the prophets. TBH, given the regard most Muslims have for the historical person Jesus Christ, it doesn't surprise me at all that they would celebrate his birth.
 

Worried2Death

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It's interesting that the first five books of the Old Testament (in the Bible), the Torah or Pentateuch (the first five books of the Jewish religious text) and the first five books of the Koran are basically identical. Most Muslims consider Jewish and Christian leaders such as Moses, Abraham and Jesus as Muslim prophets.... they just consider Mohammad to be the greatest of the prophets. TBH, given the regard most Muslims have for the historical person Jesus Christ, it doesn't surprise me at all that they would celebrate his birth.
I learned to chant Torah for bar mitzvah, didn't really understand any of it but no mention of Jesus or Mohammed, they're just not in the frame. Extremists in any religion are always the problem.
 

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