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bruce

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About 30 years ago there was an American (it would have to be I suppose) TV evangelist called Jimmy Swaggert on a channel called Praise The Lord, PTL for short. The acronym became jokingly known as Pass The Loot. Iirc he turned out to be a serial shagger as well.
and he batted with the other side as well if I recall :eek:
The local parish priest can come and stay at my place.
You want to read my post before about that murder in Melbourne before wishing that. I guess there are some decent men out there wearing dog collars but with all these scandals I wouldn't trust any of them.
 

pbrown01123

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If I remember my lessons it was God himself who told man with the Bible being the word of God.

Just remember that that same logic can be applied to the Big Bang...


No idea what fundamentalist thingy ma jiggy is but Catholicism believes the same. St Patrick used the 3 leaf clover as an analogy for this exact thing...
you're seldom wrong, Mt. Wellington and, as this isn't a Warriors topic I feel I can safely indulge my nitpicking skills; St. Patrick used the shamrock in his analogy!
 
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Off The Bench

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No role of most fundamentalists is to raise money for their church as most fundamentalists preach what I would called even as lapsed Irish Catholic a warped, crazy weird view of Bible known as prosperity gospel, where basic principles are more money you give, more you will receive of Gods blessing in return. This is why for instance almost all fundamentalist Christians back home still support President Trump and have him signing bibles simply because they see his wealth as somebody who's been touch by God even though this is a man who has cheated on his wife with porn star while she was pregnant and even once let Hustler Magazine to shoot a lesbian scene at Trump Tower. A man who has stolen millions and has committed countless crimes including ones against his own country.

Still problem I have as do many with prosperity gospel is that you don't need to of read the bible to know that Jesus did not come down here to Earth to make us all rich. One of first miracles ever ascribed to him was chasing money men out of temple as small child, using his own god like strength to chase them out of streets and then to rob them of all their wealth they had on them before redistributing it to a crowd of Jewish men who had begun to gather outside. That who Jesus supposedly was. Somebody who believes it wrong to use religion or politics to make money out of people. Just read Beatitudes if you don't believe me ...

:bag:

That was my favourite Jesus story in the bible .
I don't think he was a child at the time though I could
Be wrong .
If you think about it historically an logically .The money lenders
He chased out of the temple .Would have been physically big strong guys
As there was no police in those days .An they would of had to collect on debts
As well ..They would have been bouncer types .But yeah he kicked some arse that day.

One of my faveroute disciples was a tax collector who seemed
Very prone to violence ..When approached by roman guards his first move was to
Chop off one of their ears ..
Another time when they were getting hunted Jesus gave the only sword to him
An basically said yep we will be sweet now ..I doubt they were long haied pussies

On the trump an posterity thing there is a verse that says
It is easier for a camel to
Pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven ..
Can't get much clearer than that really ..
So all those super rich pastors are liars ... An fundamentally wrong .
 
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wizards rage

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I believe we can tell if God is real through logic - if I was a God starting from scratch, is the world as it is now, the ultimate place that I, as a god would create?

Would I chose as a God, to create a universe guaranteed to produce suffering, starvation, natural disaster and war?
Would I create a world where children die of cancer, are born stillborn or disabled?
If I created the entire universe, why care about irrelevant humans?
If I was a God that was actually human-oriented, I would expect to create a universe in which humans feature prominently? We are an irrelevant spot in both time and space
As all powerful, who created the universe and has total control over everything in it, why would I ban blasphemy to stop my feelings getting hurt?
If I was a loving god, then why require worship which is a vain trait?
Would I logically allow religions to grow based on geographic location?
Why would I create a heaven as a reward system and control entry through fear?
Why would I create an earth that looks to run on evolution? Why create dinosaurs and earthquakes - it is illogical?
Would I create a world where some inhabitants never know of me (uncontacted tribes) at the same time as creating heaven for only those that follow my rules?
Why create poisons, disease and human hazards and allow scientists (significantly non religious) to eliminate Gods obstacles?
Would I create a world where my religion was not at least dominant?
Would I create the Warriors, without letting us win the competition occasionally?

If you live in a world that you would not create, then I don’t believe you can logically follow any God that may have created it.
 

wizards rage

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On the trump an posterity thing there is a verse that says
It is easier for a camel to
Pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven ..
Can't get much clearer than that really ..
So all those super rich pastors are liars ... An fundamentally wrong .
On a global scale, every person in a first world country is rich, even if they personally own nothing.

Good to know none of us are going to heaven😂
 
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mt.wellington

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About 30 years ago there was an American (it would have to be I suppose) TV evangelist called Jimmy Swaggert on a channel called Praise The Lord, PTL for short. The acronym became jokingly known as Pass The Loot. Iirc he turned out to be a serial shagger as well.
I remember watching a doco on him and he tried his best to fuck the whole female congregation. All in the name of the Lord of course. Tried to start up a village that ended up going belly up after pouring hundreds of millions into it. The amount of money he was able to generate was truly astounding! His purpose built 'chapel' was bigger than most sports stadiums in the US...
 

Inruin

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I believe we can tell if God is real through logic - if I was a God starting from scratch, is the world as it is now, the ultimate place that I, as a god would create?

Would I chose as a God, to create a universe guaranteed to produce suffering, starvation, natural disaster and war?
Would I create a world where children die of cancer, are born stillborn or disabled?
If I created the entire universe, why care about irrelevant humans?
If I was a God that was actually human-oriented, I would expect to create a universe in which humans feature prominently? We are an irrelevant spot in both time and space
As all powerful, who created the universe and has total control over everything in it, why would I ban blasphemy to stop my feelings getting hurt?
If I was a loving god, then why require worship which is a vain trait?
Would I logically allow religions to grow based on geographic location?
Why would I create a heaven as a reward system and control entry through fear?
Why would I create an earth that looks to run on evolution? Why create dinosaurs and earthquakes - it is illogical?
Would I create a world where some inhabitants never know of me (uncontacted tribes) at the same time as creating heaven for only those that follow my rules?
Why create poisons, disease and human hazards and allow scientists (significantly non religious) to eliminate Gods obstacles?
Would I create a world where my religion was not at least dominant?
Would I create the Warriors, without letting us win the competition occasionally?

If you live in a world that you would not create, then I don’t believe you can logically follow any God that may have created it.
quite interesting view.

i had a chat with a lovely old religious man once about this. he said god was a creator. if you think about it like your dad was a creator and created you. with the best intentions and you were probably perfect in his eyes. but he cant control your actions, if you want to drink, smoke, sleep around etc. similarly he cant control what you say about him.
 
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bruce

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i had a chat with a lovely old religious man once about this. he said god was a creator. if you think about it like your dad was a creator and created you. with the best intentions and you were probably perfect in his eyes. but he cant control your actions, if you want to drink, smoke, sleep around etc. similarly he cant control what you say about him.
but heyzeuss is perfect, and can do no wrong, so much so his mother and father never had sex, but also when he made adam and eve, on whichever day it was, WTF did he give him a dick and her a pussy if they weren't supposed to use it? Just asking like.

Like Mount Wellington said if I had asked that at school I would have been expelled on the spot.

Which brings me back to the present that Cardinal George Pell, who got to number three in the Roman Catholic church, has today been sentenced to six years for sexually abusing two altar boys.

Now all Catholics are taught that not only is heyzeuss perfect, and can do no wrong, but because the Pope is heyzeuss on earth he also is perfect and can do no wrong. It is called Papal infallibility (you can google it).

So if he is so perfect how could he countenance having a kiddie fiddler as his number three?

Now also if heyzeuss is so perfect, and he gave Adam a dick and Eve a pussy and expected them not to use it, WTF did he give all his nuns and priests a pussy and dick and not expect them to use it as well, especially on altar boys.

Now a step further, and this is where I get really grumpy, a mate of George Pell's, they went to boys camps together when they were young priests probably murdered a woman in Melbourne in 2000 to stop her complaining to his superiors that he had sexually assaulted her son.

This conviction of George Pell is just the tip of the iceberg of a growing scandal in the Catholic Church, which is the largest Christian Church in the world.

Blatantly ignoring a mother being murdered to cover up her sons assault from a Priest is about as bad as it gets.
 

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but heyzeuss is perfect, and can do no wrong, so much so his mother and father never had sex, but also when he made adam and eve, on whichever day it was, WTF did he give him a dick and her a pussy if they weren't supposed to use it? Just asking like.

Like Mount Wellington said if I had asked that at school I would have been expelled on the spot.

Which brings me back to the present that Cardinal George Pell, who got to number three in the Roman Catholic church, has today been sentenced to six years for sexually abusing two altar boys.

Now all Catholics are taught that not only is heyzeuss perfect, and can do no wrong, but because the Pope is heyzeuss on earth he also is perfect and can do no wrong. It is called Papal infallibility (you can google it).

So if he is so perfect how could he countenance having a kiddie fiddler as his number three?

Now also if heyzeuss is so perfect, and he gave Adam a dick and Eve a pussy and expected them not to use it, WTF did he give all his nuns and priests a pussy and dick and not expect them to use it as well, especially on altar boys.

Now a step further, and this is where I get really grumpy, a mate of George Pell's, they went to boys camps together when they were young priests probably murdered a woman in Melbourne in 2000 to stop her complaining to his superiors that he had sexually assaulted her son.

This conviction of George Pell is just the tip of the iceberg of a growing scandal in the Catholic Church, which is the largest Christian Church in the world.

Blatantly ignoring a mother being murdered to cover up her sons assault from a Priest is about as bad as it gets.
Not sure which part of my post is causing you confusion.

Sounds to me you aren't so much against god but rather what people do supposedly because of god or in gods name
 

bruce

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Sounds to me you aren't so much against god but rather what people do supposedly because of god or in gods name
Deep question. Short answer what people do in the name of religion, not all religions have a god as Christians think of it.

Thank heyzeuss for tomorrow night. :D
 

gREVUS

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but heyzeuss is perfect, and can do no wrong, so much so his mother and father never had sex, but also when he made adam and eve, on whichever day it was, WTF did he give him a dick and her a pussy if they weren't supposed to use it? Just asking like.

Like Mount Wellington said if I had asked that at school I would have been expelled on the spot.

Which brings me back to the present that Cardinal George Pell, who got to number three in the Roman Catholic church, has today been sentenced to six years for sexually abusing two altar boys.

Now all Catholics are taught that not only is heyzeuss perfect, and can do no wrong, but because the Pope is heyzeuss on earth he also is perfect and can do no wrong. It is called Papal infallibility (you can google it).

So if he is so perfect how could he countenance having a kiddie fiddler as his number three?

Now also if heyzeuss is so perfect, and he gave Adam a dick and Eve a pussy and expected them not to use it, WTF did he give all his nuns and priests a pussy and dick and not expect them to use it as well, especially on altar boys.

Now a step further, and this is where I get really grumpy, a mate of George Pell's, they went to boys camps together when they were young priests probably murdered a woman in Melbourne in 2000 to stop her complaining to his superiors that he had sexually assaulted her son.

This conviction of George Pell is just the tip of the iceberg of a growing scandal in the Catholic Church, which is the largest Christian Church in the world.

Blatantly ignoring a mother being murdered to cover up her sons assault from a Priest is about as bad as it gets.
that just shows peoples stupidity. if someone was murdered u dont go to the church u go to tbe police. if someone u know was sexually nterfered with again, church no no, police yes yes.
 
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BiggerD

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In the Bible , Jesus says to believe in him.. That is all that he requires of you. :)
No where in the Bible does it state you must join the Catholics, Anglicans, Jehovahs etc.
To me , religious organisations are just money making controllers who take over an individual's life with brainwashing tactics.

And remember, Jesus also stated in the Bible to watch out for "wolves in sheeps clothing" .

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Matthew 7; 15
 

wizards rage

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that just shows peoples stupidity. if someone was murdered u dont go to the church u go to tbe police. if someone u know was sexually nterfered with again, church no no, police yes yes.
Depends if you honestly believe God is above the police...
 
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Inruin

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Not sure which part of my post is causing you confusion.

Sounds to me you aren't so much against god but rather what people do supposedly because of god or in gods name
Deep question. Short answer what people do in the name of religion, not all religions have a god as Christians think of it.

Thank heyzeuss for tomorrow night. :D
So you have a problem with people acting in the name of god (or religion). That's all I needed to know.
 
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Johnnyray

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In the Bible , Jesus says to believe in him. That is all that he requires of you. :)
No where in the Bible does it state you must join the Catholics, Anglicans, Jehovahs etc.
To me , religious organisations are just money making controllers who take over an individual's life with brainwashing tactics.

Yes. Exactly. Thank you BiggerD. That's been my whole point. God has no religion.
 
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