JaggedJ

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Titans weren't really that bad initially in their first couple of years, but they did fade badly in the back half of those years. They were 4th after 15 rounds in their debut season and then won 8 of their first 12 games in 2008 before fading.

To me that suggests the biggest challenge will be creating enough depth to actually last 24 games for the first couple of years as opposed to getting a team capable of competing at full strength/health.

I do agree with the comparison overall though. Titans had a longer lead in time to build a team. I think the initial Dolphins team will have a sprinkling of talent, a bunch of grafters, but overall will be inconsistent.

Bennett has shown that he values experience highly so I'm curious to see how he fills out the roster. I expect he'll go after a couple of marquee names, build around those names with guys coming into their prime or youngsters with 2-3 seasons under their belt and then fill the gaps quite a few cut price veterans looking to either re-ignite their career or have one last go around on a reduced contract.
 
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snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
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Really interesting article on zero tackle with Hugh McGahans views around an 18th team that’s already being floated. With many Aussie pundits leaning towards a Perth or another Aussie team, another kiwi is sounding a real possibility. It had been the Southern Orcas being the team that was sounding a chance, playing out of Wellington but McGahan believes there’s an opportunity staring them in the face by linking up with the most successful super rugby franchise, the crusaders and have the 18th team playing out of Canterbury. Worth a read anyway.
Previously when expansion was discussed the likely options were Perth, 2nd Brisbane or cover Sothern Queensland, Central Coast or New Zealand. Perth would of been one of the favourites with the timezone and geographical spread of the competition.

Now that they have added a 17th side with a bye you would expect they would be monitoring various factors to assess if they could add an 18th side. Not sure how favoured the Central Coast would be now so hopefully its between Perth and a second NZ side. If we didn't get a second NZ side I would expect we would be waiting a long time for them to extend out to 19-20 teams.

A club going out of business is another option but highly unlikely as anytime a club gets in trouble they worry about the number of games. I supposed from that is negated from 2023 as they can just skip the byes.

The other worry for a second NZ sides is the funding. Redcliffe had a lot of capital, that has set the bar pretty high. Seen reports years ago about Perth having a billonaire backing them.
 

snake77

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You would expect with just his name there at the club, that they will be able to put together a good roster over the next few years. However, he's not known for future proofing clubs, and the teams he leave seem to crumble almost instantly when he goes.

The way Wayne is, I don't think he would like a coaching directors role, even though at his age and for future proofing the club, that would probably be the best way forward. He's all or nothing generally.

All things considered, he would be the best man to get a club going, even at his age. Also buys into the anti Broncos thing, which will divide fans nicely. They would need a clear succession plan in place, but that shouldn't be hard.
Usually at work you want to leave a role in a better place than when you took it on. As you say Bennett hasn't the best record there. The guy taking over Souths has been a long time assistant working under him so we get a recent case study next year.

He will help attract players no doubt. Most of the focus is on 2023 when they are cashed up, they will also ditch 1-3 the first year as they have their eyes on guys already under contract available from 2024 onwards. This will make the recruitment market a lot more competitive.

For Bennett its amazing he's still coaching but also inaugural coach for the Broncos in 1988. Now back building a competitor in 2023.
 
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Noitall

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Aug 21, 2019
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Previously when expansion was discussed the likely options were Perth, 2nd Brisbane or cover Sothern Queensland, Central Coast or New Zealand. Perth would of been one of the favourites with the timezone and geographical spread of the competition.

Now that they have added a 17th side with a bye you would expect they would be monitoring various factors to assess if they could add an 18th side. Not sure how favoured the Central Coast would be now so hopefully its between Perth and a second NZ side. If we didn't get a second NZ side I would expect we would be waiting a long time for them to extend out to 19-20 teams.

A club going out of business is another option but highly unlikely as anytime a club gets in trouble they worry about the number of games. I supposed from that is negated from 2023 as they can just skip the byes.

The other worry for a second NZ sides is the funding. Redcliffe had a lot of capital, that has set the bar pretty high. Seen reports years ago about Perth having a billonaire backing them.
Another interesting idea I read of somebody’s yesterday was amalgamating the bulldogs and Canterbury and playing half the home games out of Aussie grounds and Christchurch. Probably too much of a prestigious club, but would require no change of identity, already being the Canterbury bulldogs.
 
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snake77

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Another interesting idea I read of somebody’s yesterday was amalgamating the bulldogs and Canterbury and playing half the home games out of Aussie grounds and Christchurch. Probably too much of a prestigious club, but would require no change of identity, already being the Canterbury bulldogs.
The way I could see that working would be more if the Bulldogs tried to build a fanbase here based off the Canterbury name. Some clubs have tried to play in Perth or the Central Coast to extend their fan base. I know the colours are different but they could do a jersey for when they play there which would help sales.

Not sure how often the Bulldogs use the Canterbury part now, probably within Sydney.

I've seen arguments for pretty much all of the Sydney clubs to amalgamate or relocate over the years. Even seen the Bulldogs listed as the odd club out even when they were doing alright on the field and financially.

To get the Sydney clubs to move would be similar to getting that quick little cockroach that scooted under the fridge. You move the fridge to get the little bastard and he scoots out from there under the dishwasher. I'm convinced if there was a nuclear war the things that will survive would be the cockroaches, rats and the Sydney NRL clubs.
 

TheCool

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Jul 18, 2013
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Really interesting article on zero tackle with Hugh McGahans views around an 18th team that’s already being floated. With many Aussie pundits leaning towards a Perth or another Aussie team, another kiwi is sounding a real possibility. It had been the Southern Orcas being the team that was sounding a chance, playing out of Wellington but McGahan believes there’s an opportunity staring them in the face by linking up with the most successful super rugby franchise, the crusaders and have the 18th team playing out of Canterbury. Worth a read anyway.
Next team needs to be geographical expansion. Wellington or Perth for sure.
 

playdaball

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Apr 23, 2012
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As I’ve said previously i don’t think another NZ would work. We’re struggling with one team here plus finance will be an issue ( Warriors wouldn’t be here without. Autex), attracting quality players - would you really want to live .in Wgtn or ChCh? Crowds - if a team is down the bottom of the table , crowds will be low ..
 

TheCool

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Jul 18, 2013
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As I’ve said previously i don’t think another NZ would work. We’re struggling with one team here plus finance will be an issue ( Warriors wouldn’t be here without. Autex), attracting quality players - would you really want to live .in Wgtn or ChCh? Crowds - if a team is down the bottom of the table , crowds will be low ..
NZ has the largest talent pool per capita by far. It’s not about attracting players across the ditch, it’s about growing the game.

Warriors have their own seperate issues, but any new team joining the comp will not struggle to get financial backing. Redcliffe and Ipswich were pulling $100 million dollar investors out of thin air during their bids.
 
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bangbros18

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May 20, 2019
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I only see a second team in New Zealand viable if we can have a national competition like nsw and qld cup also a under 20's and 18's competition as well.

Then maybe have Warriors feeder in NSW cup and second nz team in the Queensland comp, with the nz comps short and then running I to the nrl sesson perhaps?

What a dream that would be, I'm laughing because it never happen.
 

mrblonde

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Apr 14, 2012
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"As for the club's name, which will make it the second in the NRL along with the Warriors not to have a geographical component in its title, Abdo said it was about "owning the north", growing outside the Brisbane region through Moreton Bay, the Sunshine Coast and beyond."

From https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/10/13/dolphins-to-become-nrls-17th-team-in-2023/

Not that I particularly mind, although if I could choose to be the Warriors, the New Zealand Warriors or the Auckland Warriors I'd go for Auckland...

But. It does get the old tinfoil hat tingling in a way that just spring weather doesn't. If the team has no geographical component in it's title, well, why not the Perth Warriors/Adelaide Warriors etc etc...
 

mrblonde

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Apr 14, 2012
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I only see a second team in New Zealand viable if we can have a national competition like nsw and qld cup also a under 20's and 18's competition as well.

Then maybe have Warriors feeder in NSW cup and second nz team in the Queensland comp, with the nz comps short and then running I to the nrl sesson perhaps?

What a dream that would be, I'm laughing because it never happen.

Yep. Mainly because it would require the NZRL and all the regional RLs to get their fecal matter combined. Which, as has been proven by the cough/steller/cough success the NZRL and ARL had when they had a part ownership of the Warriors, is not exactly easy-peasy-piece-of-piss...
 

matiunz

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Jul 15, 2013
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Next team needs to be geographical expansion. Wellington or Perth for sure.
Pretty much need to put plans in to build towards Perth, NZ 2 and Adelaide. Start with Junior academies and performance centres, get league into schools and have solid support with NRL coaching clinics etc to help expansion teams have a base to build off. Then say target a 10 year plan to bring the teams in steadily introducing them to ah ball, NSW cup etc so they have depth and pathways ready.
That way you have a future plan for a fully National NRL with an NZ derby, he’ll of a lot more attractive to sponsors
 

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