General Proposed Warriors/arl Competition

[ramraider78]

Nope. Players weren't told to lose.

If you are in a position to be able to rotate a squad because you're guaranteed a finals spot you should do it every time.

2007 Manly came over here at the end of the season, rested players, lost the match. It happens everywhere in sport.

If they hadn't of been beaten so bad then no one would give a shit.

I thought this topic was dead regarding the tanking this year LOL Though the penalty they got was weak IMO

IMO I still question his coaching in the local scene - we beat his team of paid players in the Shaman last year. Something debated on here before.

I think he would excel in the Warriors environment developing all the younger players coming through. He was a legend of a player and still very popular out there with the kids. Those kids will benefit all right from his guidance, he'll have the pick of the bunch, far better then the local players on hand that he worked with in the past.

ME is very smart bringing Stacy into the mix, I only can see positives.

My only negative in that article isn't so much about Stacy but the proposed Warriors/ARL League competition in the schools. Stacy is fronting a concept that doesn't have full support in the local scene here in Auckland, should start a new thread about this???

 

[Spence]

Why doesn't the local league scene support this competition?

 

[ramraider78]

Why doesn't the local league scene support this competition?

From what I'm hearing they haven't been clear on what day/s they would run this competition. If you run it on a Saturday, you weaken the local clubs in whatever grades are effected e.g majority of the International grades. Kids IMO would be stuck with do I play for the school or my club?

The national secondary schools comp was awesome to watch this year and IMO NZRL have done a decent job running it. Though where does that leave there current Auckland comp?

I see merit in the concept to overtake union in Auckland through the schools but TBH it's going to a long drawn out war IMO with Union. Just putting it out there, but wouldn't the Warriors HQ be better to pool resources into other initiatives?

 

[mt.wellington]

I too enjoyed watching the National Secondary schools comp and would love to see it grow and prosper. To go head to head with Union would be like us going to war with the U.S, it'll be over before its even begun! The only thing I can think of is to maybe play a short school comp during the warmer spring/summer months. Maybe have it finish just as the club season is starting to try push them into the club comp. Bit of league overkill but I honestly dont think trying to compete with the school First XV will work. Mid week comp will undoubtedly clash with training.

Whatever they decide to do, they must have the local clubs involved. To take kids away from our clubs would surely be the final straw, most are being run off the smell of an oily rag as it is!

 

[Sup42]

To go head to head with Union would be like us going to war with the U.S, it'll be over before its even begun!

League started a civil war with Union the day our Rugby predecessors became professional Rugby players and dropped two players from their Scrum.

The problem with League in NZ is that is has gone from it's rebel Insular we don't give a fk about Union history to being too mindful of
what the Unionists think.

An opportunity to change things has finally arrived , I don't get how NZ'ders accept the apartheid state in sport that exists currently and the Uncle Tom mentality that goes with it.

The only escape from having one game banned from Schools is nigh. No time to consider what Union thinks , or the impact on the pissy minded clubs to bicker about the threats to their own existence.

Imo the big picture is that when the Schools are forced to allow league the rest will fall into place. Over a hundred years of working a failed Model and the local thinkers are worried about the threats to the status Quo...

To hell with them. Start in Schools and let the kids decide whether the Murray Deakers , and their Grandfathers are talking gospel about which is more enjoyable.....

Generation Xbox doesn't give a shit about Lion Red versus Good on ya mate Speights.....they go for the Quickest and least expensive gratification they can get their hands on.

In Sport when they've had enough of touch pause engage....these kids are going to tell their folks how it is....and most modern day parents will bend to their wishes....Times have changed, School boy leagues time has come.

 

[mt.wellington]

Over a hundred years of working a failed Model and the local thinkers are worried about the threats to the status Quo...

To hell with them. Start in Schools and let the kids decide whether the Murray Deakers , and their Grandfathers are talking gospel about which is more enjoyable.....

Generation Xbox doesn't give a shit about Lion Red versus Good on ya mate Speights.....they go for the Quickest and least expensive gratification they can get their hands on.

In Sport when they've had enough of touch pause engage....these kids are going to tell their folks how it is....and most modern day parents will bend to their wishes....Times have changed, School boy leagues time has come.

I think its more 100 years of apathy, laziness, mismanagement and corruption that has really stifled league in all forms, not only school sport.

Couple that with the legendary status that the National game enjoys from the National team and its always going to be an uphill battle. From the 'Originals' and 'Invincibles' to the modern day 1987 and 2011 RWC teams to legends such as Colin Pinetree Meads, Sir Wilson Whineray, George Nepia, Buck Shelford, Shaun Fitzpatrick, John Kirwan, Micheal Jones, Jonah Lomu, Ritchie McCaw... Parents hear these from their parents and so on and these parents will tell the same tales to their kids. The vast majority of little (past and present!) boys dream(t) of being All Blacks, this isnt going to change overnight.

The Rugby machine is huge. They have infrastructure going that League can only dream of and will take alot more money than either Glenn or Watson have to replicate, as well as more time then either have in their lifetime. NZRFU have been quoted as saying that rugby in this country costs them $NZ100 million a year to run. The NZRFU get between $NZ21-28 million from Adidas per year to sponsor the All Blacks and the AIG deal they just signed is said to be not far short of that amount. Add to that sponsorship from Telecom, Steinlager, Rexona, ITM... you get the picture. NZRL on the other hand count on Flight Centre, Pirtek and Malaysia Airlines as major sponsors.

As romantic as it may sound that the Warriors owners along with Stacey Jones are going to be Rugby League Secondary School saviors and crusaders I think the reality is that if they can increase school and pupil participation by 5% every year than that will be a victory for League in general. Until we can match rugby in the dollar stakes we dont have a chance.

One thing we do have in our favour is the NYC U20 competition that has our best local players beamed across the TV airwaves almost every second week. The success of the team has also helped and we have managed to poach players from the other code, K-Rell and Omar are probably the best examples.

Most people on this forum will agree that League is a far more entertaining game to play and watch but we are by far the minority and I cant see that changing in this country, at least not during my lifetime.

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/private-bin-all-blacks-choose-euros-over-us-dollars-adidas-deal-38799
https://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3562_8159610,00.html

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

Most people on this forum will agree that League is a far more entertaining game to play and watch but we are by far the minority and I cant see that changing in this country, at least not during my lifetime.

I actually disagree with this statement.

I think you will find that the MAJORITY of rugby fans accept that league is more entertaining to watch. Most have major issues with at least a couple of bollocks union rules that ruin the game. I know many obsessive rugby fans who would far rather watch league, but would always choose to play rugby over league. Off hand, I only know of one person who prefers watching rugby, and he is a recent convert who has made many silly statements about the lack of structure and excitement in league, and how rugby is action packed while league is full of stoppage and wasted time; so he is clearly delusional.

 

[mt.wellington]

I actually disagree with this statement.

I think you will find that the MAJORITY of rugby fans accept that league is more entertaining to watch. Most have major issues with at least a couple of bollocks union rules that ruin the game. I know many obsessive rugby fans who would far rather watch league, but would always choose to play rugby over league. Off hand, I only know of one person who prefers watching rugby, and he is a recent convert who has made many silly statements about the lack of structure and excitement in league, and how rugby is action packed while league is full of stoppage and wasted time; so he is clearly delusional.

The few friends I have that are Rugby lovers like to watch league too but only the Warriors and the Kiwis. They wont watch say the Roosters play the Panthers. They rarely go to a live game even though we all only live 5 minutes away and if the Warriors/Kiwis games clash with the Rugby then its a no contest for them. Sometimes I think they only watch the Warriors or Kiwis so they can give us league heads shit about it!

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

The few friends I have that are Rugby lovers like to watch league too but only the Warriors and the Kiwis. They wont watch say the Roosters play the Panthers. They rarely go to a live game even though we all only live 5 minutes away and if the Warriors/Kiwis games clash with the Rugby then its a no contest for them. Sometimes I think they only watch the Warriors or Kiwis so they can give us league heads shit about it!

Total opposite for me. The only time the Yawnioners I know will ignore the league is for a rugby test match or final. Many of them aren't even that big on the Warriors. Several guys I work with will never miss a Storm, Manly or Bulldogs game, but are tired of the bad showings from the Warriors. They only really watch them to discuss it with me. Some of them watch more league games a week than I do. If limit my match watching to 3 or 4 a week tops, otherwise I would end up a single man. Almost every rugby head I know has had enough of the constant rugby and would be happy if the ITM Cup were scrapped and the ABs played less tests.

Perhaps Southland isn't the rugby heartland that everyone thinks it is.

 

[shuffle]

The few friends I have that are Rugby lovers like to watch league too but only the Warriors and the Kiwis. They wont watch say the Roosters play the Panthers. They rarely go to a live game even though we all only live 5 minutes away and if the Warriors/Kiwis games clash with the Rugby then its a no contest for them. Sometimes I think they only watch the Warriors or Kiwis so they can give us league heads shit about it!

Im like that! But this year I watched one Super Rugby game (It wasn't the final). I Try to watch every Northland game when ITM cup is on. But this I really prefer the league its just the build ups and anticipation of the games that amps me up even if it isnt a warriors game. But I do like both. But I wouldn't watch those european rugby championships. Rather watch Football than that.

 

[Pete]

Dont see why there should be such a great divide. Both codes are good to watch and play (bar England when they used to maul and kick). Have friends that wont watch one or the other and I don't quite get it. Each to their own, admittedly some like AFL which is shit but thats another story. Entertainment wise Melbourne, Brisbane , Manly and Tigers always seem to have a more exciting game than the Warriors. Not sure if its more there style or us lacking the talent to play that sort of game.

 

[shuffle]

Total opposite for me. The only time the Yawnioners I know will ignore the league is for a rugby test match or final. Many of them aren't even that big on the Warriors. Several guys I work with will never miss a Storm, Manly or Bulldogs game, but are tired of the bad showings from the Warriors. They only really watch them to discuss it with me. Some of them watch more league games a week than I do. If limit my match watching to 3 or 4 a week tops, otherwise I would end up a single man. Almost every rugby head I know has had enough of the constant rugby and would be happy if the ITM Cup were scrapped and the ABs played less tests.

Perhaps Southland isn't the rugby heartland that everyone thinks it is.

I wouldn't be happy. Thats like getting rid of NSW cup and QLD cup.

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

I wouldn't be happy. Thats like getting rid of NSW cup and QLD cup.

Not that they specifically want to get rid of the ITM Cup, more the fact that there is no end to the rugby season anymore. Many people I know feel that a 3 or 4 month break from rugby wouldn't be a bad thing, and would keep people interested.

 

[shuffle]

Not that they specifically want to get rid of the ITM Cup, more the fact that there is no end to the rugby season anymore. Many people I know feel that a 3 or 4 month break from rugby wouldn't be a bad thing, and would keep people interested.

Or maybe they end up like us. Hanging out for league games or going on youtube looking at 2011 highlights of the Warriors season or is that just me hehe.