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Worried2Death

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To be fair their military is used only in their own border zones. They seek influence by investment. This seems a better template than the American build military bases. Ccp encourages catitalism but doesnt think it capital should run the country.
It's the human rights abuses of political prisoners, organ harvesting etc, most counties object to, not necessarily their global political model. A lot of that could possibly be western xenophobic propoganda too, who really knows if the CCP have benign intentions for the world. China's traditionally been isolationist, this century it appears to be set on global influence. Similar to the domino theory in the Vietnamese war, if they take back Taiwan, who's next, who's after that, us? What do you think Giz, should the US go to war over Taiwan or withdraw diplomatically?
 

Worried2Death

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The Chinese are probably more concerned about the Taiwanese than the Merkins, but if there is a fight you could not bank on the Merkins staying out of it.
You reckon NATO would back them up? What about the Aussies. Doesn't bear thinking about if tactical nukes start flying around and heading for Sydney. Although Xi did promise to only nuke Japan as an exception to the no strike on non nuclear armed countries policy. Hopefully sanity prevails, whatever that is.
 
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bruce

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You reckon NATO would back them up? What about the Aussies. Doesn't bear thinking about if tactical nukes start flying around and heading for Sydney. Although Xi did promise to only nuke Japan as an exception to the no strike on non nuclear armed countries policy. Hopefully sanity prevails, whatever that is.
China have always played the long game, always.

For example look what happened in Hong Kong, softly softly, slowly slowly and WTF did anything when they eventually moved?

It will be the same with Taiwan. They will rattle the sabres, but infiltrate Taiwanese politics and the military and work from the inside out.

That is what the other Pacific countries should be wary of, except Vietnam and the Phillipines who already know the game.

As an example I know the Russians on the forum, but not the Chinese;)
 

Hadyn

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China have always played the long game, always.

For example look what happened in Hong Kong, softly softly, slowly slowly and WTF did anything when they eventually moved?

It will be the same with Taiwan. They will rattle the sabres, but infiltrate Taiwanese politics and the military and work from the inside out.

That is what the other Pacific countries should be wary of, except Vietnam and the Phillipines who already know the game.

As an example I know the Russians on the forum, but not the Chinese;)
Certainly do play the long game...everything is part of some 100 year plan.
Look at what has happened to the Sprattley Islands in the South China Sea.
6 years ago you only realistically saw them half the time at low tide .
A year later they were being "reclaimed",figuratively and literally.
2 years later somebuildings were being built there as "territorial" fisheries support infrastructure.
A year later a runway miraculously appeared and now finally apparently ( because of " Made in China" quality) they are starting to sink again ..under the weight of all the Military support moved on....lol.
That whole process has occurred after the Chinese said they weren't doing anything there,all the neighouring countries objected,UN declarations were passed and ignored and the Chinese just said .." screw you"
 

bruce

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( because of " Made in China" quality) they are starting to sink again
China always implodes from the inside. Xii will go out in a box.

There is a brilliant movie about a Chinese company moving to the US midwest. Total farkup

Really interesting management logic :rolleyes: ...that is why most of their corporations don't get really big.

The Japanese are entirely different, management listen to the staff.
 

Gizzyfan

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It's the human rights abuses of political prisoners, organ harvesting etc, most counties object to, not necessarily their global political model. A lot of that could possibly be western xenophobic propoganda too, who really knows if the CCP have benign intentions for the world. China's traditionally been isolationist, this century it appears to be set on global influence. Similar to the domino theory in the Vietnamese war, if they take back Taiwan, who's next, who's after that, us? What do you think Giz, should the US go to war over Taiwan or withdraw diplomatically?

Not sure on this one. First I would want the Yanks to keep low profile. We would be naïve to think the Chinese are not concerned about the Americans over any military actions they take over Taiwan. The US has spent 21 years in Afghanistan and couldn't get a result. If they can't beat Fred Flintstone how are they going to defeat a major nation.

Abuse of political prisoners, Julian Assange anyone. No large nation can deny major skeletons in the cupboard. Hopefully a whole lot of huffing and puffing and not much else.
 
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bruce

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The US has spent 21 years in Afghanistan and couldn't get a result.
Their military top brass are completely different to the UK. Very little critical thinking.

Most English officers are from the upper classes. Upper class English have always been taught philosophy, they don't always get it right but at least they try.

Merkin officers are from the lower and working class, very introverted view of the world.

E.g. McArthur in Korea, Westmoreland in Vietnam, Scharzkopf did alright in the first Iraq war but was stuffed by the politicians, and anyway didn't have much of an opposition.

As for the British and the Falklands, that would have been much better if the military had told Thatcher to piss off out of it. Why fight for the Falklands?

A terrible loss of life.

They gave Hong Kong away for nothing.
 

Gizzyfan

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There was an instance in Iraq where both the British and Americans were being targeted by different RPG teams. The Yanks sent in artillery, gunships, bombers, heaps of people killed or made homeless and resenting the Yanks. They could never confirm if they got the RPG team.

The Brits sent in a sniper team, they located the RPG team, eliminated it, confirmed and nobody else even got woken up.

During WW@ a US warship messaged a Royal Navy ship 'Greetings to the second biggest navy in the world'. The Poms replied ''Greetings to the second best navy in the world' Yanks have no idea about class.
 
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bruce

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There was an instance in Iraq where both the British and Americans were being targeted by different RPG teams. The Yanks sent in artillery, gunships, bombers, heaps of people killed or made homeless and resenting the Yanks. They could never confirm if they got the RPG team.

The Brits sent in a sniper team, they located the RPG team, eliminated it, confirmed and nobody else even got woken up.

During WW@ a US warship messaged a Royal Navy ship 'Greetings to the second biggest navy in the world'. The Poms replied ''Greetings to the second best navy in the world' Yanks have no idea about class.
Yes, the English have made many mistakes but the Merkins seem to do it with more style.

Just bomb the bastards, don't think about the consequences..
 
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