Staff Phil Gould

BeastMode

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I guess you’re probably right but we’re in a damn sight better position than we were 12 months ago. You must admit that. Hey, I’m just being an optimist. Feels good, you should try it, haha.

love the optimism

better than 12 months ago. For sure. Still shit though.

I need more than just a name these days. I need results. The scars of Stephen Kearney’s “trust the fucking process” run deep....
 

Sup42

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I guess you’re probably right but we’re in a damn sight better position than we were 12 months ago. You must admit that. Hey, I’m just being an optimist. Feels good, you should try it, haha.
Stay the course bro.

People don't like seeing someone looking for positives at the Warriors because we are (I include myself) all scarred these past decades.

If I look back to the year 2001 I wasted most of it stuck on the old record.

I regret that now, had I been more positive I would have realised I was watching the rebuild year of the greatest ever Warriors side.

Too late to look back fondly now....too late....what a waste of a year.....

Jumping in my time machine I can still see it now.

Daniel Anderson...a no hoper School teacher...who the fk is Daniel Anderson?....oh what new lows have we reached? oh despair...

Opening game I am in pub as half the Patrons mock the useless Warriors getting a hiding from the Raiders....and some bloke Fa'afilli scored a couple of Trys....from Rewa ffs...

Some amateur...hell the team was full of no names no one else wanted....who the hell is this Meli guy and worst of all...look at that talentless bloody centre Toopi.....Motu Tony...hey man when is Stacey ever going to play with an NRL quality 6?

A fecking Reggies side....

I hit an all time low that year of Warrior support. knowing that even those these struggler’s had scrapped into contention for the eight....that we will never be a top four side with all those nobodies in the team.

And well....they did play the greatest Warriors game ever against the Storm to make eight....Got embarrassed badly by the Eels...a fifty point hiding in their first ever final....

But they did enough to stop me quitting.

2001 was a pretty shit year really, twelve wins twelve losses and that all important draw in that greatest game ever by a Warriors side....but a pretty shit year really....if I am honest...just being a realist....sick of these false dawns.....
 

bruce

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I love the guy's passion for the game, not only his knowledge.

He has been affected in the past like most Aussies who knows we are here but not much more.

I remember he was over here a few years ago for the Nines and got stuck for a day or so and spent a long lunch with Tony Kemp and I think Tony Iro and a couple of others down at the Viaduct with decent wine and crayfish.

He was sold on the NZ game after that. he admitted he had no idea of the depth of the game here.

Also Goran Paladin is a great interviewer and having met him a very nice guy.
 

bruce

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Not only that but getting the strap in front of the whole class was particularly demeaning. Plus you never mentioned it at home otherwise there was a good chance of getting another one.
Absolutely archaic teaching philosophy. Men among boys and boys among men.
 

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I love the guy's passion for the game, not only his knowledge.

He has been affected in the past like most Aussies who knows we are here but not much more.

I remember he was over here a few years ago for the Nines and got stuck for a day or so and spent a long lunch with Tony Kemp and I think Tony Iro and a couple of others down at the Viaduct with decent wine and crayfish.

He was sold on the NZ game after that. he admitted he had no idea of the depth of the game here.

Also Goran Paladin is a great interviewer and having met him a very nice guy.
 

Rick O'Shay

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Absolutely archaic teaching philosophy. Men among boys and boys among men.
To make it worse there were one or two females in our primary S4 class who also got the "strap"

Troublesome to think that it was all considered ok back in the day.
 
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snake77

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The interview with Gould posted on here a few days ago had him state how the Panthers are the youngest side in the comp.

Good seeing its players they have brought through. Now its a matter of managing the cap to keep as many as they can or cycle guys out to replace them with the next young players coming through. Interested to see if they will sustain things over the next 5-10 years.

Our under 20's success years ago could of helped if we promoted ourselves as the club to go to in that competition if you wanted to develop for first grade. Not saying we didn't have issues in that level more that it could of helped in recruiting players for that level.
 

bruce

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The interview with Gould posted on here a few days ago had him state how the Panthers are the youngest side in the comp.

Good seeing its players they have brought through. Now its a matter of managing the cap to keep as many as they can or cycle guys out to replace them with the next young players coming through. Interested to see if they will sustain things over the next 5-10 years.

Our under 20's success years ago could of helped if we promoted ourselves as the club to go to in that competition if you wanted to develop for first grade. Not saying we didn't have issues in that level more that it could of helped in recruiting players for that level.
Don't get me started!!!!
 

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NRL: Phil Gould's master plan to fix the Warriors​

Ask Phil Gould what the ultimate success will look like for the Warriors and his answer is simple.

The former Penrith, Roosters and New South Wales coach, club administrator and high-profile league media personality was hired as a Warriors consultant last October, framed as another step in the quest to maximise the potential of the Auckland club.

It's a broad brush role, with a wide mandate, which involves working with many stakeholders, including the New Zealand Rugby League and Auckland Rugby League.
But Gould's primary aim is to help strengthen the foundations, to transform the Warriors into consistent contenders.

The 62-year-old isn't short of theories, mantras and knowledge, from a lifetime in the sport, but it boils down to a single factor; the Warriors need to evolve into a team dominated by home grown talent.

"It's absolutely essential, over a period of time" says Gould. "That would be my view, that would be my recommendation. It's essential that happens.

"I don't know the real history of the Warriors as to where that is at…but that's the way for long-term success, that's a way for identity, that's the way for culture."

It's far from a new idea, but Gould's view – and influence behind the scenes - adds weight at a critical juncture.

For much of the last decade the club often looked outside for solutions, from Sam Tomkins to Ryan Hoffman to Blake Green to Adam Blair. Most high profile current players are 'imports' – Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Tohu Harris, Addin Fonua-Blake and Kodi Nikorima – while Reece Walsh was an unpolished gem snaffled from the Broncos.

But it hasn't always been that way. The highpoint for local products was the 2011 season, when the club reached the grand final across all three grades, the culmination of years of work by former coach Ivan Cleary and his lieutenants.

A third of the current team are Australian and among the established first graders, only four (Bunty Afoa, David Fusitua, Chanel Harris-Tavita and Jazz Tevaga) have come through the grades.

But there are some promising signs, with the investment in youth (Adam Pompey, Rocco Berry, Eliesa Katoa, Edward Kosi et al) and Nathan Brown's willingness to give youngsters early opportunities.

Gould's priorities are two-fold; work with stakeholders to improve the standards and structures of the sport locally, then ensure that more talent ends up funnelled towards the Warriors.

"There is no doubt there is a pool of talent here," says Gould. "But if there's not the opportunity or perceived pathway at the Warriors there are other pathways and opportunities at 15 other clubs.

"Around 27 per cent of the current NRL players come from New Zealand. So, why didn't [more of them] come through the Warriors? That's what we need to answer.

"To sell rugby league in this country, the Warriors need to be successful, and they need to be reflective of the demographic here. The Warriors will be at their best when the vast majority of their roster is home developed."

Attracting more of the best local talent is a complex issue, one the club have been wrestling with for years. There's no easy answer, but Gould is determined to help with the solution.

Gould made his name as a young coach at Penrith, taking the club to two grand finals (1990 and 1991) before five seasons at the Roosters and two successful stints with New South Wales.

His most recent role was general manager of the Panthers (2011-2019). Not everything went smoothly (Cleary was sacked in 2015, before being brought back in 2018) but Gould was a driving force behind the transformation of the club off the field.

The environment is very different in Sydney, especially with the junior development pathways, but Gould says it's possible to transplant ideas.

"The things that are important to building a club and the process that you go through are well documented and well proven," says Gould. "The issue for me is learning more about the Warriors and the situation here in New Zealand and seeing what's possible and how best they can do it.

"But there are basics around forming a club, developing talent and forming an identity for the logo on your jersey. When people see your jersey, what do they feel, what do they believe, what do they expect? What does it mean to be Rooster or a Panther or a Bronco? And what does it mean to be a Warrior, what sets us apart?"


Despite the modern day cult of the coach, Gould says a club should have an ethos that is seamless and consistent, regardless of who is in the hot seat.

"Clubs are often the victim of changing - every time they change the head coach they change the culture," says Gould. "Coaches manage the personnel, develop the talent and win football games, but the club culture; how the club develops and recruits and builds relationships…that should never change."

Gould says "chemistry" wins premierships ("the right players at the right stage of their career in the right environment") while culture is the foundation.

So, where to start? Gould has a long list. Priorities are getting more Warriors development teams and improving the base in New Zealand. As an example, he played a role in persuading the NRL to increase the NRZL's funding, which facilitated the new national Under-20 competition.

"It's a long race," says Gould. "It's a journey. But the Warriors should be a source of inspiration and aspiration for young kids in this country, [who] want to play the game at a high level and be part of this club."

Twice a week Gould's alarm clock goes off at 4am.

He leaves his home in the south of Sydney soon afterwards, hitting the highway for the drive north to Tuggerah, arriving at the Warriors' training base around 7:30am.

Gould might sit in on the team meetings or video sessions, then catch up with staff, before taking in the training run.

"I'm just there to lend a hand," says Gould. "I'm not doing anything, just being a part of the club, because I can't do the other job that I was actually asked to do because of Covid.

"I go to the games if I haven't got a Channel Nine commitment, go to the corporate box or whatever, just trying to help. In the small way that I can just be a part of the club, until such times as we can get around to doing the job that I've been asked to do."

Gould, who made his first grade debut in 1976 and played for the Panthers, Newtown Jets, Bulldogs and Rabbitohs, is a league tragic. He watches every NRL game, every weekend and would often spend from "midnight to dawn" studying VHS tapes in his coaching heyday.

His life – as a pundit and analyst – still revolves around the game, though nothing replaces being on the grass.

"I've always missed coaching," says Gould. "It was part of me for a long time. But, you know, I miss playing, more than I miss coaching. That's why we all got into this game because we love playing it. We get too old to play it and we think we can coach it. Eventually, we can't even do that so we find something else to do."

 

j-bob

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Some teachers were definite sociopaths.

I am sure one guy who taught me had orgasms every time he whacked a kid.

I went to many schools, some used the cane, some arseholes used green hide leather straps.

Dunno where they bought them, had no used other than for belting kids.

It didn't work on the butt, but on the open hand it caused massive welts which farked your writing and concentration for the rest of the day.
Many moons ago when I got the strap for the first time it was an old bloke that could barely lift it let alone hurt with it.

my pre conception changed the next time round when it was a huge mother fucker that new how to use it.
The smile was wiped from my face in less than a nano second.
It was probably me being a smug fucker that made it worse.
 
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The elephant in the room for me in this wonderful plan of bringing through homegrown talent is 'how do we match the education our Aussie counterparts are getting?'

The Panthers are amazing, but that is not an easy copy and paste to NZ.

Identifying and investing properly in the best youth will certainly help us, but there will sill be challenges with their development.

Our four established homegrown players being Fusitua, Bunty, Jazz and CHT speak to that, and we are seeing Eliesa fall over a little (which is hopefully just part of his fine-tuning) is an example of the challenge those in charge of our pathways face.
 
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We need a nz based academy that sources local junior talent at a range of age groups and skill sets, a mix of fitness diet health wellbeing culture education and a whole lot of league IQ
I think we need a large % of the coaching team particularly with league skills and IQ to be recruited from Australia to give us an edge and to level up the end product
 
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bruce

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Having Gould in this role is the exact opposite of having Eric Watson owning the club i.e. Gould loves the game with a passion, the club is an extension of that, he is obsessive in his goals but who cares if he gets them.

I don't need to discuss what Watson didn't bring to the club. Many here were skeptical of Robinson, but just his success in getting Gould on board is certain to pay off unless he gets wiped out driving to work every morning.

Also, and I don't apologise for repeating, but our grand final team of 2002 had some local juniors who had been well and truly schooled by Mark Graham. It is so sad he got thrown under the bus when he did.
 
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