General NRL Expansion

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Just to put that into perspective, it was a survey conducted by SMH between nrl club bosses regarding expansion (amongst other things). Full read here:


In particular:
The verdict: The clubs want the NRL to venture across the ditch and add a second team in New Zealand. With 27 per cent of votes, a second Kiwi side received the majority of support ahead of NSW’s Central Coast and Perth (both 22.5 per cent). There’s also minor support for a team in Papua New Guinea, Central Queensland or Melbourne.
 
Just to put that into perspective, it was a survey conducted by SMH between nrl club bosses regarding expansion (amongst other things). Full read here:


In particular:
That’s terrible that 70% of clubs bosses think the cap is being rorted.

Logically if that number of the most influential people in the system believe there is cheating, then it would indicate that it must be happening…
 

matiunz

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That’s terrible that 70% of clubs bosses think the cap is being rorted.

Logically if that number of the most influential people in the system believe there is cheating, then it would indicate that it must be happening…
Beauty of stats, 30% of club bosses didn’t respond so that 70% is really 70% of 60%.
Still I wonder if those who responded ‘yes’ did so because they were rotting the cap and assumed others were too?
 
I’ve said it before and will say it again , a 2nd NZ team won’t work.
No idea why a Perth team has not been adopted.
It would be a massive task, you would have thought Perth or another Queensland team would be next cabs off the rank and a better chance of success.
However the NRL really want to take Rugby Union head on and this sets the scene for a Christchurch based team to prepare for entry - especially with a covered stadium set for completion by 2025.
 

matiunz

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If they do want to be serious about a second NZ team they should really take the time to do it right.
Year 1 Invest in a schools comp n the likes of BOP,HB,East Coast, Manawatu,Taranaki,Tasman,Canterbury,Otago play it in summer if you have to to get numbers up and perhaps convert a few Union boys.
Recruit coaches from Aus systems to teach our next generation of coaches, particularly in fundamentals.
Year 2 Introduce a regional rep competition at school level for those schools to compete as a province etc introduces first pathway.
Year 3 From those provincial rep teams select a wider squad for an SG ball team, set up living and support/development facilities in Wellington and Christchurch.
Year 5/6 Look at NSW/QLD cup Team
Year 8(2030) NRL team.
Could still set up the pathways and have the team in earlier but will take a bit of time to see the results.
Perth I believe already has something in place but set up something similar in Adelaide And there’s a 20 team comp that will tick most boxes for quite a while
 
A 2nd NRL team based in NZ will probably stop the decline at grassroots by giving the game some actual growth, through pathways. Things are getting worse on the ground with NZW based in OZ, no visible pathways for the Youth here. I know we can't consistently win with the team we have now, but the bigger picture would keep the game moving in NZ.

CHCH should get it IMO - better grassroots system, but the noise I heard was Wellington, they had a financial backer?
 

gREVUS

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imo the only place a second franchise would be succesful is ..... Auckland.
it would create a real rivalry, allow more home games and building strong local support, allow teams to travel in side NZ more often (extending the NRL brand), and solidify a real competitor to rugby in the north.
2 million peps in auckland 3 mill spread everywhere else. u have to go with the numbers
 
chch 380 000
well 215 000
auck 1,463,000
I was half joking. But anyway,

Half Auckland population for a second team would be around 750 supporters. That is with a even split. Realistically 90% would stay with the Warriors and you might get a few hundred thousand supporting the new franchise.

Wellington central is 215k but Greater Wellington including up the Kapiti is 527k. Greater Christchurch is 520k. Combined they are 1m+ and eclipse a halved auckland without even pulling in the other major centres (New Plymouth, Palmerston North, Dunedin, etc).
 

gREVUS

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I was half joking. But anyway,

Half Auckland population for a second team would be around 750 supporters. That is with a even split. Realistically 90% would stay with the Warriors and you might get a few hundred thousand supporting the new franchise.

Wellington central is 215k but Greater Wellington including up the Kapiti is 527k. Greater Christchurch is 520k. Combined they are 1m+ and eclipse a halved auckland without even pulling in the other major centres (New Plymouth, Palmerston North, Dunedin, etc).
your figures sound better, but i dont think many not living in cities travel to games, just my opinion. even if u put the franchise in two centers, they can only be based in 1. i personally cant see the support required anywhere but auckland. and i think a two team rivalry would be great for the game
 
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If they do want to be serious about a second NZ team they should really take the time to do it right.
Year 1 Invest in a schools comp n the likes of BOP,HB,East Coast, Manawatu,Taranaki,Tasman,Canterbury,Otago play it in summer if you have to to get numbers up and perhaps convert a few Union boys.
Recruit coaches from Aus systems to teach our next generation of coaches, particularly in fundamentals.
Year 2 Introduce a regional rep competition at school level for those schools to compete as a province etc introduces first pathway.
Year 3 From those provincial rep teams select a wider squad for an SG ball team, set up living and support/development facilities in Wellington and Christchurch.
Year 5/6 Look at NSW/QLD cup Team
Year 8(2030) NRL team.
Could still set up the pathways and have the team in earlier but will take a bit of time to see the results.
Perth I believe already has something in place but set up something similar in Adelaide And there’s a 20 team comp that will tick most boxes for quite a while
This would be the best way to go about it. We don't have the capital in New Zealand or wouldn't invest in the right areas.

Something like this would of been something Gould would of looked at if he stayed in his role and could travel to NZ. How successful he would of been. Chances are he may of got frustrated and packed it in.

I've often thought it would be good to have strong comp in Auckland or NA wide of the level of the NSW or Queensland Cups to help create a wider player pool. The Warriors and the other NZ team could then have a local feeder team which would help with costs.

This could then filter down to age group sides.

The NRL sides sign a lot of New Zealand talent it would be good to have more investment so the player pool expands and the players are better developed.