eudebrito

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Walsh will defend on the wing.
Ken and Fusitua don’t tackle anyone on the wing anyway, so won’t see much difference there – Walsh has a good vertical leap for high balls, obviously would be able to turn and chase better. Makes sense.

If it’s a choice between him making 20 tackles and making 4, its kind of a no brainer, so long as the winger who gets shuffled inside doesn't mess it up.
 

Raw Power

1st Grade Fringe
Aug 30, 2016
759
Brisbane
On the outside backs:
I'm reluctant to make a call on Berry just yet, the Storm is a tough initiation...

Pompey has come through the Roosters junior system and does possess great footwork/light on his feet to beat a defender and wriggle to put himself through holes. Great defender!

Fusitua seems to be trying to barge his way straight through defenders and up until now it is clearly not working. Looks lost most times in defence!

Ken for some reason this year went away from what has worked for him before and started the same way as Fusitua, but now has gone back to footwork before the line to charge between defenders. On the improve...
but WTF is going on with Ken's defence?
 

6Again

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 1, 2020
647
I think this is where the second year syndrome comes in. There is more video on the player and then more ways to nullify the way they play. Hence why Katoa is playing reserve grade simply because they have sussed him out. Hopefully not for long though.
Normally I’d go along with that but without wishing to inflate the Walsh balloon any further I’d argue being the instinctive player that he is it’d be very difficult to nullify the way he plays without taking on some risk yourselves.
 

mrblonde

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 14, 2012
3,776
Auckland
That is where the coach has to have a plan.

I remember way back in 1995 when they put Stacey in against an unheard of Gorden Tallis. They sure knew who Tallis was after that.
That game against the Dragons was the first regular season Warriors game I went to.

My memory is Mr G Tallis broke our defence easily several times.

As for the coach having a plan for Taumalolo: Get someone in a Todd Peyten mask to publically say how fantastic JT is. Make him feel comfortable, like he's proved himself now. He can take it easy Sunday...
 
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Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
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Are we really still on the SOS is better than CHT train? We need to see Chanel play in this more attackinf style. Before he got injured we were in our conservative phase playing a 1 out game
CHT and SOS are just different skill sets.

They are literally different pieces on the chess board.

CHT is the best defensive back in the Warriors, that alone makes him a must have player in any Warriors team.

He has a running game, and I rate it pretty highly it is well above average for a half.

His passing game is good.

His read of the game though, which includes his ability to communicate what he sees to the players around him is yet to develop.

That last qualifier severely limits his use as number seven.

But right as of now, what really holds him back is the lack of a boot. Yes he can kick the ball but it is far from being a strength.

The Warrirors need a top seven, they have only had two tactical Sevens that rate in the top three during their time in the NRL, Stacey Jones and Maloney.

Shaun Johnson was something else, he was a freak that sits in his own category, a Stand off thast was so talented that he could get away with being a passable seven because he was so dangerous he changed the way the Warriors played rugby league.

You just give a player like Johnson the ball and hope he runs. if he has good forwards game over.

SOS is a ball playing half, he has as kicking game, and he is an organiser. How do we know? the Warriors structure showed profound change the instant he was introduced into the line up.

The Kicking game suddenly appeared.

I think we need to step back and look at the big picture.

The Warriors need to buy an organising half, they need to move on from SOS and his defensive frailties, and find someone that kicks and passes and talks. Someone like Reynolds would be ideal.

They either buy an old dog like Benji or Reynolds or Maloney or they get the next Reece Walsh young halfback (this is more ideal than an old guy) and they build up CHT at six and Walsh at one.

Or....they turn CHT into Jamie lyon. Defensive and running passing Rugby league outside back God.

Your point about CHT suiting the change of tactics to the recent second phase and giving the ball some air is a good one.

However if we really want to be great, we need a player that can play the boring structures and deliver on both grinding phases and attacking phases in one game. A half back in other words.
 

Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
19,146
Ken and Fusitua don’t tackle anyone on the wing anyway, so won’t see much difference there – Walsh has a good vertical leap for high balls, obviously would be able to turn and chase better. Makes sense.

If it’s a choice between him making 20 tackles and making 4, its kind of a no brainer, so long as the winger who gets shuffled inside doesn't mess it up.
Montoya is that guy that would qualify as a wing centre to position switch....

Seems he has been doing it almost every game for us already....
 
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Lance155

1st Grade Fringe
Feb 24, 2013
925
CHT and SOS are just different skill sets.

They are literally different pieces on the chess board.

CHT is the best defensive back in the Warriors, that alone makes him a must have player in any Warriors team.

He has a running game, and I rate it pretty highly it is well above average for a half.

His passing game is good.

His read of the game though, which includes his ability to communicate what he sees to the players around him is yet to develop.

That last qualifier severely limits his use as number seven.

But right as of now, what really holds him back is the lack of a boot. Yes he can kick the ball but it is far from being a strength.

The Warrirors need a top seven, they have only had two tactical Sevens that rate in the top three during their time in the NRL, Stacey Jones and Maloney.

Shaun Johnson was something else, he was a freak that sits in his own category, a Stand off thast was so talented that he could get away with being a passable seven because he was so dangerous he changed the way the Warriors played rugby league.

You just give a player like Johnson the ball and hope he runs. if he has good forwards game over.

SOS is a ball playing half, he has as kicking game, and he is an organiser. How do we know? the Warriors structure showed profound change the instant he was introduced into the line up.

The Kicking game suddenly appeared.

I think we need to step back and look at the big picture.

The Warriors need to buy an organising half, they need to move on from SOS and his defensive frailties, and find someone that kicks and passes and talks. Someone like Reynolds would be ideal.

They either buy an old dog like Benji or Reynolds or Maloney or they get the next Reece Walsh young halfback (this is more ideal than an old guy) and they build up CHT at six and Walsh at one.

Or....they turn CHT into Jamie lyon. Defensive and running passing Rugby league outside back God.

Your point about CHT suiting the change of tactics to the recent second phase and giving the ball some air is a good one.

However if we really want to be great, we need a player that can play the boring structures and deliver on both grinding phases and attacking phases in one game. A half back in other words.
I agree in part SOS has the better kicking game (for now) but I believe it ends there. CHT played in a completely different game plan to SOS this year. I don't believe for a second he did all that by himself.
In fact I called it before the game saying what is the bet we play a more attacking style this week and everyone thinks SOS is god and that is exactly what happened. I'm not right often but I will claim that one
 

Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
19,146
Just on boy Superman, the sensible among us say temper your expectations.

I say bugger that.

In twenty five years there have only been two players that had me screaming at the telly, jumping in the lounge, frightening the cat and the neighbours Cat too.

The only fault I can find with Walsh is his initials are not SJ.

I have not started jumping like an idiot or screaming yet, we have not played in final....but by God I know what a kid genius looks like when I see one in a Warriors Jersey....I have had to wait a long time to see the boy who can do everything.

Maybe he never gets the shot....but I am going to ride the dream while I can.
 

Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
19,146
I agree in part SOS has the better kicking game (for now) but I believe it ends there. CHT played in a completely different game plan to SOS this year. I don't believe for a second he did all that by himself.
In fact I called it before the game saying what is the bet we play a more attacking style this week and everyone thinks SOS is god and that is exactly what happened. I'm not right often but I will claim that one
The problem with making those type of projections is that you have taken away anything the player might gain credit for before you watch the game.

Sorry bro not arguing with you for the sake of it, but that is a self fullfilling prophecy.

You are right that happened in that order, Brown said earlier in the week that we were going to attack.

Chicken and egg, but you can attack when you have an organiser.

SOS is flawed, very flawed defensively, but he straightens our attack and kicks us down field, really this should not be an either or conversation.

SOS and CHT need to have some runs together so we can see what that looks like.
 

Lance155

1st Grade Fringe
Feb 24, 2013
925
The problem with making those type of projections is that you have taken away anything the player might gain credit for before you watch the game.

Sorry bro not arguing with you for the sake of it, but that is a self fullfilling prophecy.

You are right that happened in that order, Brown said earlier in the week that we were going to attack.

Chicken and egg, but you can attack when you have an organiser.

SOS is flawed, very flawed defensively, but he straightens our attack and kicks us down field, really this should not be an either or conversation.

SOS and CHT need to have some runs together so we can see what that looks like.
As I said at the beggining we need to see Chanel come back then if our attack goes backwards we can judge him on that
 

The Falcon

1st Grade Fringe
Jun 20, 2017
418
Auckland
I really like the articles from the Niche Cache , here’s the post-mortem from the Melbourne game and some thoughts around our young players.
 

AlexM

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Feb 19, 2017
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I really like the articles from the Niche Cache , here’s the post-mortem from the Melbourne game and some thoughts around our young players.
Love the Rocco's modern life reference
 

Canadian_WarriorFan

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