General NRL 2021 Round 23 - General Discussion

wellyboy

1st Grade Fringe
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Jun 1, 2015
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I'm watching the knight v dogs game. Ryan James and horsbough are not that much better than what we have. Except for Evans. I'm glad Brown told clubs thanks but no thanks, rather not grab loan players and bring up who's available in our club.
 
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Warrior#214

1st Grade Fringe
Aug 13, 2016
782
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Anyone else think the players are starting to manipulate themselves into crusher type situation? To get a penalty? It sounds a bit mad I know - but it starts with reversing into a tackle, sitting down then bending forward so you take the weight of the tackler on the broad of your back but then clutching at your neck either in the tackle or as you stand up to signal the crush. I dunno about you but I’m sure there weren’t that many of these type of situations before the rule started being enforced 🤔
 

Wrighty

1st Grade Fringe
May 26, 2021
667
Anyone else think the players are starting to manipulate themselves into crusher type situation? To get a penalty? It sounds a bit mad I know - but it starts with reversing into a tackle, sitting down then bending forward so you take the weight of the tackler on the broad of your back but then clutching at your neck either in the tackle or as you stand up to signal the crush. I dunno about you but I’m sure there weren’t that many of these type of situations before the rule started being enforced 🤔
Get rid of the rule
If you turn and sneeze you get callled for a crusher tackle at the moment
 
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wizards rage

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Apr 18, 2016
4,517
Tauranga
11-2 penalty count against South’s, the least penalised team in the competition. Game turning decisions.

Putting money now on the Panthers to be ‘managed’ into the grand final.
 
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Ever Hopeful

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Feb 24, 2013
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I'm harping on about it enough, but once again dominant props being hit with the ban stick.

Luke Thompson has become an absolute liability (despite being the Dogs best player at the same time) and will miss the rest of the season after so many priors.

Klemmer gone for two matches.

The big boys are one of the best parts of the game, but they are being marginalised a bit.

It will probably start accentuating the lighter back rows even more.

With carry over points lasting 12 months, we are probably at the tip of the iceberg too.

Lodge and Curran have got some decent loading already. I've yet to see Curran do anything dirty or reckless... Often Lodge is a victim of the tip of his shoulder/chest contacting the head of a smaller man.
 

AlexM

1st Grade Fringe
Feb 19, 2017
2,476
I'm harping on about it enough, but once again dominant props being hit with the ban stick.

Luke Thompson has become an absolute liability (despite being the Dogs best player at the same time) and will miss the rest of the season after so many priors.

Klemmer gone for two matches.

The big boys are one of the best parts of the game, but they are being marginalised a bit.

It will probably start accentuating the lighter back rows even more.

With carry over points lasting 12 months, we are probably at the tip of the iceberg too.

Lodge and Curran have got some decent loading already. I've yet to see Curran do anything dirty or reckless... Often Lodge is a victim of the tip of his shoulder/chest contacting the head of a smaller man.
Carry over points need to be destroyed.
Each indiscretion on its own merits.
 

wizards rage

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 18, 2016
4,517
Tauranga
I'm harping on about it enough, but once again dominant props being hit with the ban stick.

Luke Thompson has become an absolute liability (despite being the Dogs best player at the same time) and will miss the rest of the season after so many priors.

Klemmer gone for two matches.

The big boys are one of the best parts of the game, but they are being marginalised a bit.

It will probably start accentuating the lighter back rows even more.

With carry over points lasting 12 months, we are probably at the tip of the iceberg too.

Lodge and Curran have got some decent loading already. I've yet to see Curran do anything dirty or reckless... Often Lodge is a victim of the tip of his shoulder/chest contacting the head of a smaller man.
Trent Robinson has said it’s outdated with the crackdown and quantity of suspensions now.

The roosters have spoken. It’s only a matter of time until it’s changed:

‘Trent Robinson has renewed calls for change in the NRL's judiciary process, claiming the loading system for prior offences is outdated as many more charges are being laid.

The Sydney Roosters lost lock Victor Radley for the rest of the regular season this week, banned for three games for dangerous contact while trying to charge down a field goal against Brisbane.

While questions had surrounded his ban given there was no malice, Roosters coach Robinson said he had no issue with the grade-two charge, admitting Radley's attempt "could have broken" kicker Albert Kelly's leg.

But he does have a problem with the lengthy ban it attracted.

Radley's four prior charges this year meant 110 per cent of loading was added, taking his ban from one game with an early guilty plea to three.

Robinson's chief concern is that the loading system - which bumps up demerit points by 20 per cent for each prior offence in the past two years and 50 per cent for similar incidents - comes from a time before the league's high-contact crackdown.

The list of players charged this year for offences has risen significantly, meaning more minor charges are resulting in bans once loading is added.

"The crackdowns have added charges. There's so many more charges than what there used to be," Robinson said.

"And the level of charges have gone up, we've even seen it on the kick pressures in the last few weeks, which is heading in the right direction.

"But therefore guys are missing games that they shouldn't.

"(Radley)'s was an innocent charge-down attempt that needed a better technique in the heat of the moment.

"They got the grading right on this. The way that Rads went in it could have broken his leg.

"And if he missed a week so be it. But to miss three, that says it should be looked at."

Robinson also questioned how a hip-drop tackle in round four could be considered a "similar offence", given its nature is very different despite attracting the same "dangerous contact" charge.

His comments came after South Sydney made a similar argument regarding loading following Latrell Mitchell's four-game ban in April.

It even prompted go-to judiciary lawyer Nick Ghabar to recommend a cap on loading at 25 per cent, among other arguments.

That was met with a statement from NRL CEO Andrew Abdo, who claimed the system was no different to courts of law handing out harsher penalties to repeat offenders.

Another solution could be for grade-one offences not to attract loading towards future charges, with a review of the judiciary process expected at the end of the year.

Robinson meanwhile said Radley had been hit hard by the ban, with the 23-year-old having played just 14 games this year through injury and suspension.

That hurt him after the weekend because he played such a big game for us," Robinson said.’
 

Ever Hopeful

1st Grade Fringe
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Feb 24, 2013
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Trent Robinson has said it’s outdated with the crackdown and quantity of suspensions now.

The roosters have spoken. It’s only a matter of time until it’s changed:

‘Trent Robinson has renewed calls for change in the NRL's judiciary process, claiming the loading system for prior offences is outdated as many more charges are being laid.

The Sydney Roosters lost lock Victor Radley for the rest of the regular season this week, banned for three games for dangerous contact while trying to charge down a field goal against Brisbane.

While questions had surrounded his ban given there was no malice, Roosters coach Robinson said he had no issue with the grade-two charge, admitting Radley's attempt "could have broken" kicker Albert Kelly's leg.

But he does have a problem with the lengthy ban it attracted.

Radley's four prior charges this year meant 110 per cent of loading was added, taking his ban from one game with an early guilty plea to three.

Robinson's chief concern is that the loading system - which bumps up demerit points by 20 per cent for each prior offence in the past two years and 50 per cent for similar incidents - comes from a time before the league's high-contact crackdown.

The list of players charged this year for offences has risen significantly, meaning more minor charges are resulting in bans once loading is added.

"The crackdowns have added charges. There's so many more charges than what there used to be," Robinson said.

"And the level of charges have gone up, we've even seen it on the kick pressures in the last few weeks, which is heading in the right direction.

"But therefore guys are missing games that they shouldn't.

"(Radley)'s was an innocent charge-down attempt that needed a better technique in the heat of the moment.

"They got the grading right on this. The way that Rads went in it could have broken his leg.

"And if he missed a week so be it. But to miss three, that says it should be looked at."

Robinson also questioned how a hip-drop tackle in round four could be considered a "similar offence", given its nature is very different despite attracting the same "dangerous contact" charge.

His comments came after South Sydney made a similar argument regarding loading following Latrell Mitchell's four-game ban in April.

It even prompted go-to judiciary lawyer Nick Ghabar to recommend a cap on loading at 25 per cent, among other arguments.

That was met with a statement from NRL CEO Andrew Abdo, who claimed the system was no different to courts of law handing out harsher penalties to repeat offenders.

Another solution could be for grade-one offences not to attract loading towards future charges, with a review of the judiciary process expected at the end of the year.

Robinson meanwhile said Radley had been hit hard by the ban, with the 23-year-old having played just 14 games this year through injury and suspension.

That hurt him after the weekend because he played such a big game for us," Robinson said.’
Say what you will about the Roosters, but Robinson always appears to be quite a measured bloke. Never one to kick up a fuss and act entitled.
 

Aman

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 9, 2016
4,508
Joey Manu is having a great season but I don’t think he’s $1 mill per season player. He’s very athletic but I think his value is inflated by being in a roosters system. As good as RTS was, you can’t argue against the fact that he was probably the biggest dud by in our history if you compare return on investment.
 

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