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The old goat is having a sly dig at the Broncos.

It's because of him we have a toxic culture.



It's obvious he has issues with people at the Broncos, but the text does indicate it might include my Cowboys. After all, we are struggling, and we've had some recently player switches (which he referenced).


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I am hating Bennett more & more each day.

And because we didn't hire his buddy Jason Demetriou he is pissed off.

Hope he is burning inside that we hired Ikin, as the means he will never come back.


 

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I am hating Bennett more & more each day.

And because we didn't hire his buddy Jason Demetriou he is pissed off.

Hope he is burning inside that we hired Ikin, as the means he will never come back.



Bennett privately wouldn't give a sh*t about Demetriou. He is just a self-interested and vindictive old man.

It is very disappointing when a club legend angers his own former fan base. Your Broncos would get that through both Bennett and Tallis.


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Hiring ikin is going to help with the Bennett divorce as he couldn’t give a flying fuck what Bennett has to say.

“you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”


 
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Let it fester.

Remember when the Storm held Thaiday back in the scrum, Slater strolled through the gap, and the NRL looked at it and said it was fine?

Remember when Slater knocked on, kicked it after it bounced. Grounded it while shaking his head and the NRL said it was fine?

In fact, the Storm are scum. But the NRL enabling them is the true injustice.




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I saw the Storm do the same to the Warriors at AAMI Park, Sam Rapira was held back and Slater scored, I could see it from 50 metres away, NRL didn't Same game Sean Johnstone licked a 40/20, Touchie signalled it, Slater said it went out before the 20 and pointed to a spot, Touchie complied.
 
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Hiring ikin is going to help with the Bennett divorce as he couldn’t give a flying **** what Bennett has to say.

“you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

He has definitely lived long enough.


 

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Great must read on the state of the game. Share to your forums


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Great must read on the state of the game. Share to your forums
Super interesting stuff.
I wonder what these next round of rule changes that are in the works will entail?

It doesn't matter how many times Vlandys tells me these games are more entertaining, even with the blowouts, they are not.
The game is broken at the moment and Saturday is a perfect example of it.
148-6 for and against from one afternoon of footy is crazy.
The Storm with record breaking points in a season is crazy.
The knee -jerk 6 again's and sin-bins are crazy.

Vlandys has a massive job on his hands and he would want to act fast to stop the tide of fans turning away from the game.


 

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Super interesting stuff.
I wonder what these next round of rule changes that are in the works will entail?

It doesn't matter how many times Vlandys tells me these games are more entertaining, even with the blowouts, they are not.
The game is broken at the moment and Saturday is a perfect example of it.
148-6 for and against from one afternoon of footy is crazy.
The Storm with record breaking points in a season is crazy.
The knee -jerk 6 again's and sin-bins are crazy.

Vlandys has a massive job on his hands and he would want to act fast to stop the tide of fans turning away from the game.




As long as Victorians tune in for finals footy to see the $torm win again, then there's good tv ratings, and more tv money.


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Super interesting stuff.
I wonder what these next round of rule changes that are in the works will entail?

It doesn't matter how many times Vlandys tells me these games are more entertaining, even with the blowouts, they are not.
The game is broken at the moment and Saturday is a perfect example of it.
148-6 for and against from one afternoon of footy is crazy.
The Storm with record breaking points in a season is crazy.
The knee -jerk 6 again's and sin-bins are crazy.

Vlandys has a massive job on his hands and he would want to act fast to stop the tide of fans turning away from the game.

Crazy and not at all enjoyable or fun. I don't watch games like this where one side is either hopelessly outclassed week in, week out or worse and more common, one side is completely reffed out of a game.

I just want the idiot in charge to stop the knee jerk changes and go back to the 2019 rules. In hindsight, we complained a lot but we didn't know how good we had it then.


 

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Great must read on the state of the game. Share to your forums
One of the biggest points to me were the comments about it being a world cup year and if paid professionals in the NRL are getting walloped what is going to happen when the minnows come up against Australia or New Zealand.

Scores could blow out to 80 or 90+... how is that going to help create a foothold in international football ??

I think England could even get absolutely smashed.

I would've liked to see the international game stay as penalties instead of 6 agains. That could at least see what happens when 6 again NRL players go back to the penalty era and if there is a serious impact on quality or do things return to somewhat normalcy.

We've already seen what happens when an elite NRL team (Manly) vs a reserve grade team (Bulldogs).... what viewers are go to survive the group stages and even quarters/semis looking at 50 and 60 point margins.

The final could even be 50 or 60 plus, because let's face it Australia will comprise primarily NSW players whereas NZ may not be near that level


 
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Super interesting stuff.
I wonder what these next round of rule changes that are in the works will entail?

It doesn't matter how many times Vlandys tells me these games are more entertaining, even with the blowouts, they are not.
The game is broken at the moment and Saturday is a perfect example of it.
148-6 for and against from one afternoon of footy is crazy.
The Storm with record breaking points in a season is crazy.
The knee -jerk 6 again's and sin-bins are crazy.

Vlandys has a massive job on his hands and he would want to act fast to stop the tide of fans turning away from the game.
I think at minimum it needs to be penalties in your own half and bring back scrums for kicks that go dead in touch.

The penalty in your own half is needed to deter the blatant ruck infringements and offsides that are now prevalent in the game and were obvious early in the 6 again era (teams were happy very early on to give away a 6 again off a quick 20m tap to let the defense reset... there was absolutely no deterrent to pretty much giving away professional fouls).

The whole reason the 6 again was brought in was because of the tactical penalties inside the attacking 20m (thanks Roosters). Teams were forced to reset their attack every few tackles with no real disadvantage to the defence. Waving play on and conceding infinite tackles on your own line would be a far worse outcome for the defence.... To me they could've just solved the problem by actually using the sin bin because they were professional fouls.

Tactical penalties are prevalent everywhere in sport nowadays, but teams that concede them know they are running the risk of far greater consequences compared to a normal foul/penalty, yellow or red cards in soccer and clear path fouls in NBA. In the NRL professional fouls have existed forever... if a player is blatantly holding down or committing a penalty in a try scoring position (such as not square on your 1m), either bin them for a professional foul or give a penalty try... that would've stopped the constant penalties inside your own 20m pretty quickly, but the officials are too piss weak or not backed enough by the admin to do their actual job.


In regards to bringing scrums back for kicks into touch, this would allow teams to rest and reset if they're fatiguing and struggling to win the yardage game. There was no real reason to get rid of it as it's a 40sec halt to the game and isn't all that easily executed given the back 3 looking to defend it, but Vlando has made it seem like scrums are a death knell on rugby league, when they in fact represented the epitome of game management for a very well executed kick into touch


 

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The whole reason the 6 again was brought in was because of the tactical penalties inside the attacking 20m (thanks Roosters). Teams were forced to reset their attack every few tackles with no real disadvantage to the defence. Waving play on and conceding infinite tackles on your own line would be a far worse outcome for the defence.... To me they could've just solved the problem by actually using the sin bin because they were professional fouls.



There's more to it than that. The Roosters were judged (even before Trent Robinson became coach) as ill disciplined, and they regularly lost penalty counts, even as they turned over personnel.

It appears Robinson took over and had the attitude that "well, if they are going to keep penalising us on our reputation (and Gould's vindictive commentary), then at least, let's be strategic in when we give them away".

Other teams have tried to copy this (including the Cowboys as Green brought this strategy from the Chooks). The problem is, it is not that simple to execute. Sure you get to reset your line, but without the right resolve/resilience, team's will eventually crack absorbing all of this pressure.

For a couple of years, the Cowboys had the fortune of Bennett coached teams wanting to take the 2 on offer (and we were happy to give up the two because we could score on the other end).


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The thing that really gets me about these new rules is the way certain players in most teams give away grubby penalties, and get caught out, but do not think to change their behaviour. The bunker won't miss these things (unless they want to be naive), and the consequence of set re-starts is just a killer.

For years, I think coaches directed, and even recruited, their own grub each. It is so ingrained in some players to go out there and niggle, sledge and lie down in the ruck to slow things up. We all hate a Josh McGuire or Adam Blair until they play for our own team, and we realise we needed one. Fortunately, not anymore.


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7 tackle sets should only be awarded for kicks that go dead from outside 40. It's ridiculous that a rule that was brought in to combat teams intentionally kicking the ball dead gets applied to knock ons over the line, grubbers from 10 out that clearly aren't intended to go dead and bombs that get caught on the full in goal.

Set restarts should only be used once the attacking team crosses their 40. Too much benefit to teams deliberately infringing against teams trying to get out of their own end.

Bring back scrums when the ball goes into touch. Too much benefit to teams that are happy to deliberately put the ball out of play so they can set a full defensive line.


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7 tackle sets should only be awarded for kicks that go dead
Set restarts should only be used once the attacking team crosses their 40. Too much benefit to teams deliberately infringing against teams trying to get out of their own end.

40 nil 40 nil 40 nil

The reverse happens. It stops the Raiders from using their centres and wingers to milk piggy back penalties that march them up the field.

Rapana and Leilua etc used to be excellent at taking darts out of dummy, staging like they'd been hit by a truck, and letting the local Canberra ferals in the crowd scream for blood if the refs didn't blow the whistle.


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We've already seen what happens when an elite NRL team (Manly) vs a reserve grade team (Bulldogs)..
Even decent teams if they are out of form or having a bad day - Manly gave up 40 a couple of times at the start of the year, Souths have had 50 put on them twice, even the Chooks just lost by nearly 50-nil.
I actually love seeing long range tries but that doesn't make up for the lack of an actual contest. There has to be pressure over the result of the game otherwise it's as fascinating as watching a training run. Which I'd do about once, but not again! I used to like watching non-Manly games because I wasn't stressed about the outcome and just nice to see a good contest - but I've almost given that up at present.




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“I believe I’m the best six at this club. I’m just doing my best week-in week-out to play No.6. That’s where I want to play.”

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Something needs to be done to arrest the momentum, I know it's been discussed this season and people will say "not another change" but scoring team kicks off (like in the 97 SL season) is the way to go for mine.


 

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