Yeah he needs to get in the slips cordon for some catching practise
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Agree with most of this. The Burr thing was a classic example of just putting a big body at 13 because it's in the middle. 13 (and fullback to a degree) is probably the position that changes the most in line with how the game evolves. Some teams will have exceptions, but broadly we've seen the position change over the last 15 years from tacklebots, to an extra prop, to everyone trying to make their own Jason Taumalolo. Now we're seeing the more mobile, dynamic lock start to become more commonplace with guys like Murray and Radley. Jazz has been that player for us in the past, but Lawton fits that profile better skill wise, and I think that's what Payten has identified. Jazz can add energy off the bench, he's best in that role.
The alternatives thing is interesting because yes, King/Curran are basically rookies, but Burr is ultra-safe. It's a ballsy move to pass him (and Blair) up for that spot. Then there's Ice. He's had a rough 18 months, but I've not hidden the fact that I think he's got a ton of potential. He's shown some bright spot in his last two appearances, and he's earned that bench spot. The thing for me though at least, is that he's not a lock. He's always played his best footy for us on the edges, and I don't know why Kearney persisted with the idea that he's a 13 -- much less a prop. He's a talented guy who has looked down on confidence. Put him somewhere he can make an impact, let him play a little more freely, and we'll get the best out of him yet. He's still so young.
I wouldn't read too much into the Roger stat. Agree that we need to get more out of him (I've ranted on multiple occasions about not using his skillset properly), but we are a better team with him in the side. Got a feeling he's going to have a big game soon. What I like about Payten is that he's changed some of the glaring, obvious things that Kearney refused to. Hopefully the way we incorporate Roger into our attacking structure is next on that list.
This game is a big one. The Titans are better than the sum of their parts and Holbrook is slowly turning things around there. This is probably the first game all season where we are the better team on paper. They have a knack of falling apart after half time, but they'll also be wanting to prove a point after their big loss last week. I back us to win so long as we keep them out in the first half, but we can't take them for granted for a second.
I get the feeling you are making a light hearted razz here as you think I am out to lunch over jazz being a third hooker based on your post immediately prior to this one.
FYI your cricket analogy is inaccurate. ""I don't know how much you know" (to use your parlance) about cricket but a slip cordon is usually only ever referred to as such in a live game, not at practice, so you wouldn't put someone at third slip in a cordon, even in a club match, so they could learn slip catching.
If you want to dispute that or want to talk cricket with me then let me know? I have played premier division in a semi professional league and enjoy discussing cricket just let me know.
With regards to Jazz as a third hooker, my essential point is that guys like Keighran and Chanel Harris-Tavita have filled in at hooker at a pinch and they aren't flash and got the job done. I am suggesting we invest in two high quality specialist hookers next year who are top quality and just use make shift options for the third hooker as we rarely need to go that deep. I don't see why Jazz can't qualify as a make-shift option rarely used.
With regards to Jazz's service. When he first started it was 1 out of ten. He worked on it and in his final games he had "progressed" to 4 out of ten. That is still shite but good enough for third string in my view.
I apologise if I am being a bit cunty in my tone. There was a death in my family overseas last night so am less bouyant than normal.
Kia Kaha
Yeah and Jazz can’t get the job done there. It’s been tried before.
I’m not keen on seeing multiple dummy half passes skittle along the ground to the first receiver.
I did and do notice Hiku is a very very good distributor and whilst sheck is godlike in his running game maybe doesn't offer a creative passing type fullback role.
Maybe they can mix it up a bit between them.
Maybe they can mix it up a bit between them.
I mean like get hiku running shecks out the back lines and get Roger Tuivasa-Sheck scoring some freaking tries.
He needs to be around the ruck more too.
Fine. I won't suggest it again. Jazz polarises opinions. Perhaps I was trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear given he is on the books for 2021.
I don’t necessarily think he’s a bad player. As people have mentioned, that Radley/Murray type lock forward is trending at the moment and he very much fits that style along with Lawton.
Yeah agreed about Hiku lighting up those around him more from fullback than Rog. Despite that Sheck had 10 try assists last year and Ponga had 9.
Here are the positions i have seen suggested for him to switch to
1) Fullback - I think just leave him there, at least he is damn sound defensively if nothing else. Eg Hiku let the ball bounce in front of him last game which cost us a try.
2) Centre - this would require him to have good ball distribution skills and his 10 try assits last year nothwithstanding he is not a strong distributor.
3) Standoff - Again he would be a great running stand off but he doesn;t have a kicking game amongst other issues.
4) Wing - bit of back to the future. Our wings are already good enough.
Until we get better wings/centres/halves Roger Tuivasa-Sheck will feel the need to be the everywhere man and that doesn't work for him at all.
I always thought these were fatigue related because of his high usage. There would always be the point where you knew he was on 10-15 too long.
FYI your cricket analogy is inaccurate. ""I don't know how much you know" (to use your parlance) about cricket but a slip cordon is usually only ever referred to as such in a live game, not at practice, so you wouldn't put someone at third slip in a cordon, even in a club match, so they could learn slip catching.
If you want to dispute that or want to talk cricket with me then let me know? I have played premier division in a semi professional league and enjoy discussing cricket just let me know.
With regards to Jazz as a third hooker, my essential point is that guys like Keighran and Chanel Harris-Tavita have filled in at hooker at a pinch and they aren't flash and got the job done. I am suggesting we invest in two high quality specialist hookers next year who are top quality and just use make shift options for the third hooker as we rarely need to go that deep. I don't see why Jazz can't qualify as a make-shift option rarely used.
With regards to Jazz's service. When he first started it was 1 out of ten. He worked on it and in his final games he had "progressed" to 4 out of ten. That is still shite but good enough for third string in my view.
I apologise if I am being a bit cunty in my tone. There was a death in my family overseas last night so am less bouyant than normal.
Kia Kaha
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Firstly very sorry for your loss ..I mean that very sincerely
I'm not a league professor .But I have watched most warriors games since they joined the competition an was a raiders an South's an North's fan before that
1 One of the most important if not the most important position on the field is hooker.
A forward needs to be able to run onto the ball to make the advantage line .
Many hit ups are literally a fraction of a second between getting the ball an heavy contact
So the pass has to be delivered into a sweet spot for ball retention..So timing an accuracy
Has to be bang on
2 Decision making whether to go left or right .Do you give it to the guy making the hit up
Or out to the backline .How many tackles are left on the tackle count ..If there is no one
Running onto the ball you have to make the hit up remembering that then you are often not
In position to distribute the ball for the next two tackles
3 Speed while blistering speed is not essential your hooker has to be fast enough to get to the play the ball
There is probably a heap of things I have missed .
But our club has two proper hookers in Roach an Egan on their books
An Lawton Chanel Harris-Tavita an probably AK at a stretch as backups .
We need this many .Chanel Harris-Tavita an Lawton are both halves so they can time a pass with accuracy
Jazz does not have these skills when he plays hooker we have forwards not being able to
Run onto the ball an we have higher ball turn over because of accuracy.
Plus his decision making he likes to have a dart an hangs around for the off loads which means
Someone else has to go to dummy an we lose structure .
Jazzes attributes are better used at lock.
If you want to dispute that or want to talk cricket with me then let me know? I have played premier division in a semi professional league and enjoy discussing cricket just let me know.
With regards to Jazz as a third hooker, my essential point is that guys like Keighran and Chanel Harris-Tavita have filled in at hooker at a pinch and they aren't flash and got the job done. I am suggesting we invest in two high quality specialist hookers next year who are top quality and just use make shift options for the third hooker as we rarely need to go that deep. I don't see why Jazz can't qualify as a make-shift option rarely used.
With regards to Jazz's service. When he first started it was 1 out of ten. He worked on it and in his final games he had "progressed" to 4 out of ten. That is still shite but good enough for third string in my view.
I apologise if I am being a bit cunty in my tone. There was a death in my family overseas last night so am less bouyant than normal.
Kia Kaha
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Firstly very sorry for your loss ..I mean that very sincerely
I'm not a league professor .But I have watched most warriors games since they joined the competition an was a raiders an South's an North's fan before that
1 One of the most important if not the most important position on the field is hooker.
A forward needs to be able to run onto the ball to make the advantage line .
Many hit ups are literally a fraction of a second between getting the ball an heavy contact
So the pass has to be delivered into a sweet spot for ball retention..So timing an accuracy
Has to be bang on
2 Decision making whether to go left or right .Do you give it to the guy making the hit up
Or out to the backline .How many tackles are left on the tackle count ..If there is no one
Running onto the ball you have to make the hit up remembering that then you are often not
In position to distribute the ball for the next two tackles
3 Speed while blistering speed is not essential your hooker has to be fast enough to get to the play the ball
There is probably a heap of things I have missed .
But our club has two proper hookers in Roach an Egan on their books
An Lawton Chanel Harris-Tavita an probably AK at a stretch as backups .
We need this many .Chanel Harris-Tavita an Lawton are both halves so they can time a pass with accuracy
Jazz does not have these skills when he plays hooker we have forwards not being able to
Run onto the ball an we have higher ball turn over because of accuracy.
Plus his decision making he likes to have a dart an hangs around for the off loads which means
Someone else has to go to dummy an we lose structure .
Jazzes attributes are better used at lock.
Having Lawton and Chanel Harris-Tavita along with Egan gives 3 DH possibilities at the same time. As 2 are able Half/Edge players gives more options on attack.
Jazz does not have these skills when he plays hooker we have forwards not being able to
Run onto the ball an we have higher ball turn over because of accuracy.
Plus his decision making he likes to have a dart an hangs around for the off loads which means
Someone else has to go to dummy an we lose structure .
Jazzes attributes are better used at lock.
also with the faster pace of the game there is less time for decision making, so that process of swinging left or right, needs to be on point much more so than before. I honestly dont think Jazz has that in him. As injury cover i could accept, but for no other reason.
I see him more as a 13 and I think the team has better available options there at the moment as well. Plus he hasnt played in how long, defn not at the pace of this faster comp. the warriors need him to get up to speed, but cant afford to rely on him for now.
Run onto the ball an we have higher ball turn over because of accuracy.
Plus his decision making he likes to have a dart an hangs around for the off loads which means
Someone else has to go to dummy an we lose structure .
Jazzes attributes are better used at lock.
also with the faster pace of the game there is less time for decision making, so that process of swinging left or right, needs to be on point much more so than before. I honestly dont think Jazz has that in him. As injury cover i could accept, but for no other reason.
I see him more as a 13 and I think the team has better available options there at the moment as well. Plus he hasnt played in how long, defn not at the pace of this faster comp. the warriors need him to get up to speed, but cant afford to rely on him for now.
Hi Wellington orca
And posting team in general
It was my grand father who died. He was 96 so it was very much expected but still hit heavily. Am ok now and ready to move on after taking a day off work on bereavement leave.
will address a couple of posters who replied to me starting with Wellington orca. I think there was a Wellington dolphin in the 70s named Opo wasn’t there. And I vaguely recall a killer whale that made the news as well.
regarding your post w orca
I did address your concerns in my post. I said burr probably wasn’t considered as they have labelled a prop in 2020
And I addressed ice by saying although he has plenty of games he is on a glacial learning curve so effectively Lawton is far more seasoned than Ice despite the appearance to the contrary. Are you ok with that summation or would you like to bounce back and forth.
the second person works like to address Is off the bench. Thanks for your condolences you are a gentleman ( as all of you are )
Just be sure to recognise my suggestion is jazz as third booker only to be used in times of injury.
i think we are over investing if we have three nrl standard Hookers next year. Especially when cu**s like Chanel Harris-Tavita or keighran if he resigns can do a makeshift job there. We also have kodi Nikorima In our midst who has played hooker in a test.
the top thirty spots is precious let’s not waste spots on all of Lawton Egan and roache next year. Pick Two of them.
then plan on having a part timer if we get desperate
if jazz sucks so much that his passes bounce four times before they reach blake green line the cool suggested then by all means let’s discard jazz from the mix of options. I do stand behind my concept.
i Don’t know what i make if Payton yet but it will be interesting to see what he makes if jazz. Payton took one look at Curran’s fat ass in a game and now he seems to be well down the pecking order. Jazz is a very divisive figure and he polarises. I am anti jazz. I don’t rate him as a nrl player but will keep an open mind for tomorrow.
The coaches seem to like him so I am resigned to him playing. Hence I suggest roles for him to play occasionally
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