Post Match NRL 2018 - Round 25 - Warriors vs Raiders Post Match Discussion

[bruce]

Not at all just don’t think he was horrendous as the doom and gloom patrol on here chant.
No player pulls off the miracle plays like some expect him to every play.
Pretty much all the halves in the comp are among the top paid players for their team so find it weird he gets singled out for being paid what he is (which is on par with many in his position) when half of them didn’t make the 8.
Yup Raiders ran through him for their first try but that’s league 101 if you’re a big forward- run at the smallest player you can- which was also seen with Mason later in the game. In fact generally his defence has improved of late, Maloney is on the other end of the spectrum when it comes to how halves can defend.
No top line Aussie half is going to come here so we do the best with the best NZ one we have- who is pretty handy one at that.
Just don’t get the tall poppies who can’t celebrate we are finally in the 8 and still wanna find something to moan about is all

So complaining about poor kicking metres is moaning?. Is not getting kicking metres important?

 

[bruce]

Not really, I'm bloody glad the officials on the field have a better understanding of the rules than Brewce.

You cannot tackle a player attempting to catch a ball on the air until he has returned to the ground. I saw Ken with his arms around the ball carrier when both his feet were off the ground.

 

[Stalefish540]

You cannot tackle a player attempting to catch a ball on the air until he has returned to the ground. I saw Ken with his arms around the ball carrier when both his feet were off the ground.

Untrue. You can tackle an attacking catcher in the air. You can't tackle a defensive player in the air.

 

[Lance155]

Bruce just give it up...Noone agrees with you

 

[surfin]

You cannot tackle a player attempting to catch a ball on the air until he has returned to the ground. I saw Ken with his arms around the ball carrier when both his feet were off the ground.

By Jesus, go read the rules. You can not tackle a defensive player attempting to catch the ball in the air. The rule does not apply to an attacking player and never has. I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus but it don't change the rules.

 

[surfin]

Bruce just give it up...Noone agrees with you

Why would anyone agree, he's wrong.

 

[Fazz]

Btw, posted this in the NRL discussion thread, but thought I'd drop this in here too as people are probably wondering about it and I assume more people will see it here:


We won't know how things shake out until after Manly/Broncos. Manly basically hold the key to our fate.

There are five scenarios that I'm 90% sure are correct.

#1: Manly upset the Broncos
If this happens, we travel to Sydney (ANZ or Allianz, not the Gong) and face the Dragons. This is my preferred result as the Dragons look utterly dogshit.

#2: Broncos beat Manly by 1pt
That would put our F/A at the same as the Broncos. Then it becomes a tiebreaker. I believe the Broncos would win this as they would have more points scored. That means we face Penrith in week one (ANZ or Allianz) this is a pretty good result, but I think Penrith are more dangerous than the Dragons

#3: Broncos beat Manly by less than 23
We would still face the Panthers, Broncos are Home vs Dragons

#4: Broncos beat Manly by more than 23 but less than 32
We would still face the Panthers, but Broncos are away vs Dragons

#5: Broncos beat Manly by more than 32
This is the worst possible result. Not only do we have to travel to Suncorp to face the Broncos, but one of the fucking Panthers or Dragons are guaranteed to make week two, even though they collectively suck. Meanwhile one of the two form teams of the bottom half of the top 8 will be eliminated.

 

[surfin]

Btw, posted this in the NRL discussion thread, but thought I'd drop this in here too as people are probably wondering about it and I assume more people will see it here:


We won't know how things shake out until after Manly/Broncos. Manly basically hold the key to our fate.

There are five scenarios that I'm 90% sure are correct.

#1: Manly upset the Broncos
If this happens, we travel to Sydney (ANZ or Allianz, not the Gong) and face the Dragons. This is my preferred result as the Dragons look utterly dogshit.

#2: Broncos beat Manly by 1pt
That would put our F/A at the same as the Broncos. Then it becomes a tiebreaker. I believe the Broncos would win this as they would have more points scored. That means we face Penrith in week one (ANZ or Allianz) this is a pretty good result, but I think Penrith are more dangerous than the Dragons

#3: Broncos beat Manly by less than 23
We would still face the Panthers, Broncos are Home vs Dragons

#4: Broncos beat Manly by more than 23 but less than 32
We would still face the Panthers, but Broncos are away vs Dragons

#5: Broncos beat Manly by more than 32
This is the worst possible result. Not only do we have to travel to Suncorp to face the Broncos, but one of the fucking Panthers or Dragons are guaranteed to make week two, even though they collectively suck. Meanwhile one of the two form teams of the bottom half of the top 8 will be eliminated.

While you're in the mood for number crunching, any tips on the lotto?

 

[Fazz]

While you're in the mood for number crunching, any tips on the lotto?

Skip it entirely, hit the casino and put it all on black. 60% of the time, it works every time

 

[surfin]

Skip it entirely, hit the casino and put it all on black. 60% of the time, it works every time

Like they say, once you go black you never go back, I learnt that after the mods locked me out a while ago and kept redirecting me to PornHub.
After all you can't have people like me behaving badly on the forum and lowering the high standards that have been set, special shout out to Deranged for giving them the idea.

 

[surfin]

Like they say, once you go black you never go back, I learnt that after the mods locked me out a while ago and kept redirecting me to PornHub.
After all you can't have people like me behaving badly on the forum and lowering the high standards that have been set, special shout out to Deranged for giving them the idea.

Deleted and locked out in 3,2,1.....

 

[jonno]

I'd have to strongly disagree mate.
While he HAS improved I think he's basically gone from being a bad winger to an average one.

The late step he's developed has only helped improve his hit-ups, it hasn't added another dimension to his game. His defensive reads are usually on but I hardly see that as proficiency seeing as he only ever tackles with his chest and never seems to stick. I mean the attacking player literally always bounces off of him, he's like a speed bump who gives the rest of the team time to scramble.

Gee he's got good hands?! Well give the man a medal, not once in the competitions history has there been a player with the awesome talent of 'GOOD HANDS'. Joey Johns, Wally Lewis and Stacy Jones should bow down at the awesome ability that is Maumalo's good hands!! That's part and parcel with first grade mate, same as taking the kicks. All the other wingers do it.

I don't wanna downplay how important he is to the team because his hit-ups are HUGE for us, but I really worry if that'll be enough come finals time. All the best wingers in the comp (Mansour, Addo-Carr, Ferguson) have OTHER skills besides bringing the ball back that make them more of a threat. Whether it be aerial ability (Fusitua, McDonald, Vunivalu), Speed and spark (Addo-Carr, French, Smith), Passing and ball skills (Rapana, Mansour).

tbh even if Kata set more tries up for maumalo I don't think I'd be able to call him a real 'try-scorer'

does nobody remember all those times where Ken's been given clean ball down the sideline and either dropped it, been bundled into touch or stopped and come back infield because he didn't back himself in the corner? The fact is Maumalo isn't a guy who can FIND THE TRYLINE. He's not a natural try scorer at all. Any player can stand at the end of a set play and put the ball down but in todays game a good winger needs to be able to CREATE AND FINISH. I mean seriously, his pass selection is horrible, he doesn't have any ball skills as we've seen, he's got no offloading game and we've kicked to him so many times with no reward.

All you need to do is look up other wingers' highlights to see what it is we're missing. Reamus Smith's hat-trick against the dragons, Fusitua' game against Manly, Addo-Carr's career highlights, or even Rapana's or Mansour's. Winger's have become some of the most dynamic players in the game and huge when it comes to attacking and setting up/scoring tries.

If I were Kearney I'd seriously consider putting Hiku on the left wing and using Beale as right center. Regardless of what happens short term I seriously can't see Maumalo continuing on as a regular winger in FG for more than a 1-2 more years. With his eventual loss of speed and impact he won't have any positives left to keep out these younger, more rounded guys like Perham and Pauga.

Just my opinion, but Ken hasn't shown us half of what he's capable of.

Whether he does or not is a different story.

 

[wrighty]

Ken is the incumbent Kiwis winger.

 

[ttkk19]

Just my opinion, but Ken hasn't shown us half of what he's capable of.

Whether he does or not is a different story.

You could be right, in fact that could be the case for our whole back 5. It's no secret that our side uses and relies on our back 5 for run metres and hitups far more than any other team and its obviously by design. If the backs help with go-forward, the forwards will have much more energy for defense.

It seems to be a tactic designed specifically for our team with our big backs, whether or not it'll be a grand final winning formula I'm not so sure.

Regardless, even in a forward dominated team I can't see Maumalo being much more than a guy who gets us an extra 10-15m up field.

I prefer my wingers to be strike players who can create try scoring opportunities from anywhere on the park and to my knowledge Maumalo's only done this once ( v Bulldogs last year). Not frequently enough for me.

 

[FAN]

Like they say, once you go black you never go back, I learnt that after the mods locked me out a while ago and kept redirecting me to PornHub.
After all you can't have people like me behaving badly on the forum and lowering the high standards that have been set, special shout out to Deranged for giving them the idea.

Ok I'm going to stick my neck out and ask the question..... Is that a true story?? Cause I kinda thought you have been rather quiet of late....

 

[Swanny]

They were almost a reserve grade team remember. Just imagine if we were in that position.

I can only think the ref called held. There was so much noise from the crowd I couldn't hear but it was a marginal call.

Yes but is was a bloody loose carry, something that Hiku can do.

Chairman of the Shaun Johnson groupies club eh Matiu? Credit and criticism are both fair when they can be supported. We beat Canberra on every stat except kicking metres. Their kickers kept them in the game, especially that 40/20 from Sam Brown. Sam who? I dunno Bruce but he can kick 40/20's from nowhere and was one of the kickers that kept their forwards in the game. Before that 40/20 the Raiders forwards were stuffed. They were milling around with their hands on their hips, they were absolutely rooted. The 40/20 fired them up, and our forwards down and they scored a soft try through who...Shaun Johnson. For a long time now, years in fact this forum has been moaning about the lack of sting from our forwards, well last night our forwards did the job very well, but our kickers didn't match theirs.

Kicking metres is not really an accurate indicator though because if you are dominating field position and running metres you will therefore be making shorter kicks. I actually thought the Warriors did a pretty good job of consistently making the Raiders work the ball out of their corner. Also to keep the top attacking side in the comp to essentially one try (the other coming from a Warriors error) was an example of both great defence and the fact that we were draining their energy (good game management)

 

[Inruin]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12117331
League: Lucky New Zealand Warriors need better in NRL playoffs

I am not Michael Burgess, but he sees it as I do. Also, and again, I am sure Ken Maumolo could have been penalised in the dying minutes for tackling a player in the air. Sure it was just a grab but it was a tackle and his feet were off the ground. There is no guarantee Canberra would have scored from that but there was no guarantee we would have held out either. Mind you we tend to bounce back after playing ugly so watch out next week.

You cannot tackle a defensive player in the air. You can tackle an attacking player in the air. Ken made a few Manu like errors in the game but that was never going to be one of them.

 

[surfin]

Ok I'm going to stick my neck out and ask the question..... Is that a true story?? Cause I kinda thought you have been rather quiet of late....

Mate I'm a lot of things but not a liar, absolutely true. I believe the PornHub thing doesn't happen anymore, as I pointed out that locking me out then diverting anyone that tries to access this site on my permanently logged in devices may not be the smartest thing to do. Want to know a good way to bring a shitload of heat onto your site, have a mod send a primary school aged kid to a pornsite.

 

[surfin]

You cannot tackle a defensive player in the air. You can tackle an attacking player in the air. Ken made a few Manu like errors in the game but that was never going to be one of them.

Bro Brewce ain't going to let the facts ruin his argument. He saw it happen.

 

[Boats n Hoes]

You cannot tackle a defensive player in the air. You can tackle an attacking player in the air. Ken made a few Manu like errors in the game but that was never going to be one of them.

At the risk of sounding stupid that sounds like a stupid rule to me.

The whole penalty for tackling the player in the air thing was all about player safety (or so i thought). A tackle gone wrong to any player off the ground going for the ball can do damage regardless if your the attacking or defensive player in the air......seems a weird one to me.