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gREVUS

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I finally got to watch the game all the way through this morning.

My take away was that the Titans with so many injuries were heroic out there.

Fusitua should have gone off after the head knock.
Ayshford if held to the same standard as so many held Konrad to actually had a good game in attack and a poor game in defense. But overall i can see why SK would stick with him for another week.
Kata did pass, but needs to forget about trying to run through people and should look for his support players.
There needs to be way more support players.
Hoffman and that kick - um well ... shit at least he tried to do something. I saw him yelling at people to straighten for the set up early in the play but i think everyone else had white line fever as they just kept passing it. I love the way he keeps his head when everyone else is losing theirs.
KF without SJs running brilliance he took on the line over and over. He lead from the front and finally gave the warriors attack on both sides of the pitch.
The forwards frustrate me, all of them. They get put on their back or spun nearly every tackle, they dont fight in the tackle and seem slow to get up. Gavet did a few times, but only about as many as Ken. They run hard and hit hard but then seem to relax, is this something to avoid injury?

Overall the win gives them a pass, and while i can see the changes in the team dynamic, its going to takes weeks before they become a polished gem.

P.s. watching the game knowing the result does give a very different perspective, its amazing how forgiving you can be when you see a mistake when you know they won.
 

Danpatmac

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I would love to see the Warriors forwards numbers on metres after contact.

We seem to have only Mannering and Gavet doing it with the naked eye. Gubb drops like a sack of spuds every time he is tackled.
 

Old Sid

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I would love to see the Warriors forwards numbers on metres after contact.

We seem to have only Mannering and Gavet doing it with the naked eye. Gubb drops like a sack of spuds every time he is tackled.
Nothing wrong with dropping like a sack of potatoes when you're tackled, especially if a quick play the ball is possible.

I just wish some of our team would do the same thing more often instead of entering the tackle vertical-az and getting pushed back 5m or worse still behind the try line or into touch.
 

gREVUS

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I would love to see the Warriors forwards numbers on metres after contact.

We seem to have only Mannering and Gavet doing it with the naked eye. Gubb drops like a sack of spuds every time he is tackled.
from what i could see Gubb takes about 3-4 steps once tackled, the others were all about the same including Mannering. the lack of the offload is what really marks them as poor. Ligi Siao (did i get that right) popped one and the difference was dramatic.

The opposition are gang tackling with minimum 3 in a tackle because they know no one is going to pop the pass and shutting down the play, ensuring a slow play of the ball. The warriors seem to hold off mostly 2 in a tackle with a third to pull him down once the tackle is made.

Gubbs charging defensive runs are forcing their defence to rush the offload or stopping them in their tracks (Which i like) but often they dont go down, meaning while the warriors have their players tied up in retreating to marker or clearing the play of the ball and gaps open. I noticed a lot of players running away from Gubb in the weekend. I think his tackles are starting to make a defn impression on the opposition, even if his attacking runs arent.

Lisone has a step but still hits the dirt fast. And really unless they start putting out more support runners i dont see this changing. Lisone running with Ken beside him or hoffman outside him would stop the gang tackle and allow a much faster play of the ball.

IMO anyway
 

gREVUS

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Nothing wrong with dropping like a sack of potatoes when you're tackled, especially if a quick play the ball is possible.

I just wish some of our team would do the same thing more often instead of entering the tackle vertical-az and getting pushed back 5m or worse still behind the try line or into touch.
wasnt RTS brilliant at getting back into the play. A real shining point in that game. Pity Kata almost undid it by thinking he could barge through without getting his body lower.
 
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WarriorBall

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They run hard and hit hard but then seem to relax, is this something to avoid injury?

My Take on it is they're allowing themselves to be managed by the opposition defense, 4+ seconds is a dominant tackle - if your being held up before being taken to ground your usually being dominated and a slow play the ball is the only possible outcome.

I've analyzed a lot of Melbourne Storms wrestle both on attack and in defense because they're streets ahead of any other side, on attack their forwards will certainly test the strength of the defensive line but they'll go to ground by choice to establish a quick play the ball at the point they realize their own momentum is lost.

Their technique for executing the quick play the ball is almost unique to Storm players in the way that they all do it, it's clearly been drilled into them.

They'll make contact with the opposition defense front on, no tucking the ball and going in sideways or backing into the the tackle like some of our forwards, a lot of our boys are really just asking to be put on their backs.

Once momentum is lost they drop to their knees which are wide apart to provide stability, their torso's are low to the ground giving them a strong center of gravity, the ball is protected. If anyone knows their amateur wrestling it's essentially the defensive starting position after a stoppage.

It's very difficult to be rolled onto your back from that position, the benefit of course and the reason it has an application in rugby league is that the player is in the best position possible to stand up and get a quick play the ball.

When we hear people talk about the Storm wrestle the initial thought is how it's applied to their tackle technique when defending, few realize it's as important to their offensive game as well.

I'll Apologize in advance, yes this is trainspotting post and yes it's a problem for me.
 
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bruce

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My Take on it is they're allowing themselves to be managed by the opposition defense, 4+ seconds is a dominant tackle - if your being held up before being taken to ground your usually being dominated and a slow play the ball is the only possible outcome.

I've analyzed a lot of Melbourne Storms wrestle both on attack and in defense because in my view they're streets ahead of any other side, on attack their forwards will certainly test the strength of the defensive line but they'll go to ground by choice to establish a quick play the ball a the point they realize their own momentum is lost.

Their technique for executing the quick play the ball is almost unique to Storm players in the way that they all do it, it's clearly been drilled into them.

They'll make contact with the opposition defense front on, no tucking the ball and going in sideways or backing into the the tackle like some of our forwards, a lot of our boys are really just asking to be put on their backs.

Once momentum is lost they drop to their knees which are wide apart to provide stability, their torso's are low to the ground giving them a strong center of gravity, the ball is protected. If anyone knows their amateur wrestling it's essentially the defensive starting position after a stoppage.

It's very difficult to be rolled onto your back from that position, the benefit of course and the reason it has an application in rugby league is that the player is in the best position possible to stand up and get a quick play the ball.

When we hear people talk about the Storm wrestle the initial thought is how it's applied to their tackle technique when defending, few realize it's as important to their offensive game as well.

I'll Apologize in advance, yes this is trainspotting post and yes it's a problem for me.
I thought it a good post. SK would be well versed in the Storm techniques so it is a fair question as to why our guys are not countering it. Maybe they are too thick and he has to be patient with them.
its going to takes weeks before they become a polished gem.
bugger me, a glass half full man!!! I would have though another season at least...honest.
 

gREVUS

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I thought it a good post. SK would be well versed in the Storm techniques so it is a fair question as to why our guys are not countering it. Maybe they are too thick and he has to be patient with them.
bugger me, a glass half full man!!! I would have though another season at least...honest.
They dont have another season.

IMO the team they have at the moment needs to show a result or they may lose the last of their hard core fans. Or at least me.
 
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