Post Match NRL 2017 - Round 2 - Warriors vs Storm Post Match Discussion

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01 Jan 1970 12:00
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Are you happy with the result?

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Inruin

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The other thing is that Maloney really stepped up in the big games ( which is what we tend to remember).
If u compare their stats in the finals series Maloney blows Townsend away.
Are Shaun Johnson's stats padded by a handful of great games against weaker teams? Where as Maloney (and Townsends) are across a more consistent range of games?

What would be interesting is to see Chad and Shaun Johnson's stats at the Warriors and then Chad and Maloney's at the Sharks.

Would also be interesting to see kicking metres, 40/20's, repeat sets. There is no doubt Shaun Johnson has individual attacking ability, which in turn creates chances for his team mates. Where he lacks is that organisational, get the team around the field and grind out the win when the other team has shut down his individual attacking options.

I would say that Chads stats are probably very similar at the Sharks and at the Warriors. Which brings in to question both the team he is playing with and his halves partners.

Were the Sharks simply a far better team than the Warriors? Is Maloney a far better half than Shaun Johnson?
 
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What would be interesting is to see Chad and Shaun Johnson's stats at the Warriors and then Chad and Maloney's at the Sharks.
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I done theirs per game as Shaun Johnson missed the back end of the year.
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I can't believe people are still arguing about Johnson. He's an amazing attacking half with not bad defense. He can't organise a team like Cronk does but can tear apart defences like Barber.
He's a middle tier goal kicker.
He's also the best half we would be able to get here under $1mill.
We are lucky to have him. The team would look a lot different without him.
 

eudebrito

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You can’t disprove Johnsons ability with stats, he’s always up there with Thurston and Cronk for try assists, kicks, misses less tackles than several star halves.

If you list off the partners since the start of 2012

Maloney – quit on the team mid-season
Leuluai – had his strengths, had some pretty big weaknesses too, i.e. kicking, vision, not getting injured…
Townsend – he’s fine, he’ll never be the main man, never make a rep team, but he does a solid job.
Robson – Nice idea. Ended up like Chad’s dad came and played with his fingers cut off so he couldn’t catch anything.
Lolohea – for 30 minutes total. Probably never see that paring again.
Hingano – 19 years old, can’t ask too much.

A made up theory about Johnson is he’s good, very good, but he does not make his partner look good. The first 4 guys on the list looked a lot better elsewhere.

Whereas Thurston makes Morgan look like an international and Cronk (or the storm system) have had a string of unprovens and retreads look good at 6. Bloody Ben Roberts was effective!

That could just be the warriors, and not Johnson's fault at all. Foran should be a good test case.

Cos if you are gonna pay Johnson $1M and pay a quality 6 as well to help his weaknesses, you'll struggle to find the cash for any dominant forwards.
 
I think his kicking game is what lets him down- too inconsistent. (And that's something that doesn't show up in the stats)
Ps sorry mods- this has gone well off topic..
 
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gREVUS

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I think Shaun Johnson deserves his pay check. He's the most famous in the team by far. And our win loss record without him is appalling.

So he puts bums on seats on both sides of the Tasmin and lifts our win ratio more than any other single player in our current squad can claim to do. Therefore he's our No1 player.

Expecting him to get us to the GF and then win it all by himself is a little tough if you ask me. But if he could live up to the great expectations he's got hanging around his neck, then what should his pay check look like? Stack the team full of reserve graders and give the whole first grade $6mill to Shaun Johnson? Cause he should win with any team right?

But in saying all that, he still should have kicked better on the weekend.
Andrew Johns did.
But remember that even when hes not playing hes costing the team money and keeping other people out of the team as we cant afford them.
His panicked go to' of the bomb to no one, is so predictable its disappointing. You can say its because the rest of the team isnt giving him space to work but a truly great player makes his own space. Again look at Andrew Johns, and he didnt have half the footwork that Shaun Johnson has, but he made the players round him look like class. Shaun Johnson is a talent, but is he a talent that the warriors can afford if he fails again after 6 years in the warriors?
BTW where can i look up a players individual win ratio? Because i would really like to compare Manus win ratio before Shaun Johnson came in, to what it was after, and other such spurious stuff.
 
Andrew Johns did.
But remember that even when hes not playing hes costing the team money and keeping other people out of the team as we cant afford them.
His panicked go to' of the bomb to no one, is so predictable its disappointing. You can say its because the rest of the team isnt giving him space to work but a truly great player makes his own space. Again look at Andrew Johns, and he didnt have half the footwork that Shaun Johnson has, but he made the players round him look like class. Shaun Johnson is a talent, but is he a talent that the warriors can afford if he fails again after 6 years in the warriors?
BTW where can i look up a players individual win ratio? Because i would really like to compare Manus win ratio before Shaun Johnson came in, to what it was after, and other such spurious stuff.

Comparing him to Andrew johns? Really? Well it's a change to comparing him to thurston I suppose..
How the fuck is anyone meant to live up to them expectations?

Try this link for the win/loss ratio- tajhay tajhay posted it a week back- it's pretty cool
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/shaun-johnson/summary.html
 
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Andrew Johns did.
But remember that even when hes not playing hes costing the team money and keeping other people out of the team as we cant afford them.
His panicked go to' of the bomb to no one, is so predictable its disappointing. You can say its because the rest of the team isnt giving him space to work but a truly great player makes his own space. Again look at Andrew Johns, and he didnt have half the footwork that Shaun Johnson has, but he made the players round him look like class. Shaun Johnson is a talent, but is he a talent that the warriors can afford if he fails again after 6 years in the warriors?
BTW where can i look up a players individual win ratio? Because i would really like to compare Manus win ratio before Shaun Johnson came in, to what it was after, and other such spurious stuff.
Looking up players win/loss ratios is a diy endeavor as far as I can tell. Jump on a stats site that has the team list for each individual game and go through one game at a time. Hence both mine and Inruins reluctance to post any stats in our last tit for tat. It's a good two hours work.

As for Andrew Johns, he's obviously a way better half than Shaun Johnson. But that doesn't mean Shaun Johnson isn't a great player. He's just not a great half. He really needs a specialist half to work with, someone like Andrew Johns.

When Shaun Johnson doesn't have the best kicking game in the team then we'll be dangerous. Then we'll see how he wins us games that only Shaun Johnson could win.
 
The problem is Johnson is our best kicker our best runner and our best passer, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck when he is on the park takes the pressure off him, but without him it's just a case of shutting down Shaun Johnson's space and the warriors are done.

Luke is nullified by our weak forward pack and Kata and Fusitua are finishers not creators. Tui shows flashes of it in between mediocrity and Hingano is promising but raw.

Theres not a lot of help for him. I will be interested to see how Thurston goes in the next two weeks without Tamou, Scott and Tamalolo.
 

gREVUS

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Individual players don't equal wins either.
A rugby league team is more than just a halfback.
I agree. And i am sorry this is off topic in that comparisons between old players and a current player should be discussed in the player forum. But (asking for leniency here) if Shaun Johnson finally clicks with the team, it will be in a game like this one, where his back is against it. Where he has to knuckle down and direct the team, not the play. Otherwise if Ata improves or Foran sweeps in and shows how its supposed to be done, then Shaun Johnson is just another finisher a super exciting one, but just that, effectively another Manu. From our top paid player i think we need more.
 
Geez, a match in which losing the ruck couldnt be clearly more evident as THE factor in defeat.....and still Shaun Johnson cops it. Neither of our starting props could manage 100 metres, we had no quick ptb's, no one bending the line, no front foot ball to work off, let alone line breaks, yet the majority still seem to want to bury their heads as far as that pack is concerned

Inconsistent Shaun Johnson may be over the seasons but the one thing that has been consistent is an undersized and under powered pack, Its clear to me (and has been for a number of seasons now) a trillion dollar spine will make no difference with a forward pack getting dominated. Even Thurston couldnt do a helluva lot at the Cowboys until the Tamou's and Scott's came along. For mine we're similar to the early Bronco's sides, stacked full of talent but it wasnt till Glen Lazarus came along Langer and co had a foundation to work off.

We're a James Graham, Jesse Bromwich type away from being able to foot it with the big boys......not a Kieran Foran.
 
I agree. And i am sorry this is off topic in that comparisons between old players and a current player should be discussed in the player forum. But (asking for leniency here) if Shaun Johnson finally clicks with the team, it will be in a game like this one, where his back is against it. Where he has to knuckle down and direct the team, not the play. Otherwise if Ata improves or Foran sweeps in and shows how its supposed to be done, then Shaun Johnson is just another finisher a super exciting one, but just that, effectively another Manu. From our top paid player i think we need more.
Shaun Johnson is our best attacking weapon.

But asking him for more, to justify his pay check, is just setting up a toxic psychology. What about all his sponsorship money? Does he owe us fans anything because of that as well?

As far as I can tell he's getting the upper range of his true market value. And considering we couldn't keep a premiership player like Malone or Townsend here for any amount we might be grateful to have Shaun Johnson. It sure beats owning the wooden spoon.
 
The problem is Johnson is our best kicker our best runner and our best passer, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck when he is on the park takes the pressure off him, but without him it's just a case of shutting down Shaun Johnson's space and the warriors are done.

Luke is nullified by our weak forward pack and Kata and Fusitua are finishers not creators. Tui shows flashes of it in between mediocrity and Hingano is promising but raw.

Theres not a lot of help for him. I will be interested to see how Thurston goes in the next two weeks without Tamou, Scott and Tamalolo.
Living in Newcastle in Aussie i heard a few ex old footballers on a league radio show giving there views on the warriors.They all said they have some of the most amazing talented footballers but they dont play as a team.They run the ball one up.U cant possibly win unless u r all on the same page.The question is can SK do that.I personally think our only hope is that we tighten up our defence because our attack is so predictable.I think we will b carbon copy Melbourne Storm.
 

gREVUS

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Living in Newcastle in Aussie i heard a few ex old footballers on a league radio show giving there views on the warriors.They all said they have some of the most amazing talented footballers but they dont play as a team.They run the ball one up.U cant possibly win unless u r all on the same page.The question is can SK do that.I personally think our only hope is that we tighten up our defence because our attack is so predictable.I think we will b carbon copy Melbourne Storm.
I can only hope that this is what happens to us. Without the stripping of the GF victories.
 

gREVUS

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Shaun Johnson is our best attacking weapon.

But asking him for more, to justify his pay check, is just setting up a toxic psychology. What about all his sponsorship money? Does he owe us fans anything because of that as well?

As far as I can tell he's getting the upper range of his true market value. And considering we couldn't keep a premiership player like Malone or Townsend here for any amount we might be grateful to have Shaun Johnson. It sure beats owning the wooden spoon.

im removing myself from the Shaun Johnson argument as it seems to have become twisted into a statement that i want him gone. I dont. I want him to empower the team around him that he has now. I want the end of excuses about size of the pack. I want him to take control and lift his team to greater heights, not replace Manu as the most valuable finisher. I want wins in the win column. I want a GF victory, but if we cant do it with him as our most valuable player then get someone who can.