01 Jan 1970 12:00
I have avoided this thread for ground hog day reasons, I feel like I'm slowly dementing following these Warriors...I swear they make repetitive naggers out of us all.
Manly have the recipe on how to beat us.
They literally do. Step by step they know the exact template to beat the Warriors.
Before the ball is even Kicked, they understand the full picture, from the broad brush strokes, to the careful attention to detail.
My frustration is that they know how we play....while we seem to not understand ourselves (see Lillymans inane comments about I dunno why we didn't show up....he sounds like a donkey from an AA Milne classic when he talks....said exactly the same thing after the Tigers game).
Lillyman has been scratching his head since he first came here.
Broad picture stuff (wot Manly know and our players are too ignorant to accept) :
The Warriors can't defend for extended periods. Therefore, if you have the ball more often than them, they will not be able to keep you out. They will panic. They will lose.
It really is that simple.
No matter what the coach preps the Warriors for....broadly they can't stay in the game mentally when the other team has the ball...their attention waivers.
The Warriors are a confidence side who rely on a couple or three individuals to carry them in the donkey work. If you concentrate all your efforts of stopping those few select players....the rest are parasites....kill the host.....I think you know where this is going....tis why our lack of off the ball work sees us a soft target.
Perfect example, as mt.wellington pointed out....Manly chose to drive Ben Mutts back on tackle one. The rest of the game became about their territorial dominance.
When Manu is playing....Brisbane use the same tactic on him.
So...where we should have support runners for our forwards we do not move up in numbers. Where we should have a mindset to soak up the early dominance of Manly's aggression...and dig in....get into the grind with them.....we are too reactive to get the need to be patient.
Another broad stroke Manly understand, is that the Warriors kicking options are very limited. Pressure Johnson, force him to make long range field kicks....and he will struggle.
I call that the brains part of the machine....the playmakers.....when their forwards (the brawn) are struggling....it is up to the brain to find territory with their boot.
As a fan you are willing the forwards to run even harder....as if somehow that will magically make them bust Manlys three man gang tackles.
Albert Vete made ground by virtue of avoiding the middle.
His best runs were on the edges.
So how do you overcome Manly's gang tackling ?
The Warriors unfortunately do not have enough off the ball drive to be there in support of the offloading runner...which leads to errors.
In fact our players are so far behind the lead runner, that when an offload is fired.....it lands on the grass....at about where the runner started his run in the first place....so yeah our offloads are so shit they lose us ground and the ball.
The other way to deal against being driven back is to surrender in the tackle, go low on contact, get yourself to the ground on your front.....fight in the play the ball (Hold the ball tight, no body resistance....bobble your head and kick feet....we all know the action)....put pressure on the Refs to call it....
Credit to some Warriors at least they tried to find a way around Manly's legendary wall.....credit to Manly....they are the best in the comp at it.
What needs to happen is that the off the ball work needs to go up a gear.
This is an individual responsibility....and where Players....not coaches....need shoulder the blame for our predicament.
Manly players get it....they have had several changes of coach in the time they have played us....yet the player understanding of how easy the Warriors are to 'out effort' is only matched by the obviousness of our own ignorance of our weakness.
We could learn a lot from Manly....not about how to be more like them....but how to be less like ourselves.
We could have signed Matai. I don't understand the reluctance of the warriors to sign multiple year deals for senior players! we lost Tate because he wanted 3 years instead of 2 crikey quality centres deserve every penny. Kata will get there but he is twice the player when along side the beast! we could have got Chase Stanley I think our recruitment is all over the place and we don't offer enough in Job security. I will get shot down but are we sniffing around Benji? he is 3 years younger than JT surely we could snare him to 3 year deal! Vete should be front row and who would have thought Ligi Sao would so important to us. Our forwards got manhandled just showing how ineffective our back row is, Hoffman is very disappointing and Lillyman is clueless and now a liability on defence!! poor Issac is carrying an injury but I feel he should have been made captain and make ALL our calls when rucking it out then feeding Shaun Johnson on attack, all I can see to help us now is pushing Shaun Johnson in one and moving Lolo to 6 with TL on the bench and just sticking with it. that's it and one last thing that Wright is useless having 12 players is just the same as playing with him on the park.
I think that the way we used the Hoff in his first year here is how we should be using him but for some unknown reason we went away from him running through the gap and scoring.
Yeah but Johnson isn't first receiver. By the time Robson gets the ball to Johnson, the defense has already shut down his space. No point standing deeper on attack as the fowards aren't making the metres. Put him back at first receiver and force him to run the play and make decisions.Watch Thurston really closely tonight if you get the chance. Watch how is is in EVERYTHING. Every play he is involved, energetic and making the opposition think. Every play he takes it to the line and either passes or takes the tackle. Every time he goes into contact he is BRAVE.
I'd love to know many times Thurston touches the ball in a game compared to Johnson. I'd bet double.
How would Johnson go behind the Cowboys forward pack? Probably as well as he does when he has a kiwis forward pack doing the job for him.
Don't you remember last year when he was at fullback? Always let the ball bounce and had many fumbles he is best suited at wing as Kearny discovered he ain't no standoff.Tui needs to stop reading the papers, his 1st touch was a fumble and they score, again, he did not put his body on the line for a fairly straight forward clean up of a bouncing ball, he was watching who was coming and not the ball.
So what you're saying is Vatuvei is actually a stand-off but can't catch kicks at fullback so is stuck on the wing where no one will target him with bombs?Don't you remember last year when he was at fullback? Always let the ball bounce and had many fumbles he is best suited at wing as Kearny discovered he ain't no standoff.
It's not about where he's best suited to play, it's where he wants to play that matters most...Don't you remember last year when he was at fullback? Always let the ball bounce and had many fumbles he is best suited at wing as Kearny discovered he ain't no standoff.