General Northern or Central Warriors

[Miket12]

Here’s an idea from out off left field.

It seems like the NRL are still considering expanding the NRL into other cities in Australia. So why doesn’t the Warriors consider putting a bid in with say Perth or Adelaide where they share accommodation and training facilities on the Central Coast or North Sydney.

At the moment, there’s 12 home games, 12 away games and 1 “home” game played at another venue.

So, the Warriors should see if they can alternate with either a Perth or Adelaide based team so a block of six games are played at home and then base themselves on either the Central Coast or North Sydney for a block of six games. We then play our “home” game at that venue against the expansion team.

Would cut down our travel time hugely and help with recruitment that Sydney based players may consider the Warriors because of less travel and not moving to across the Tasman to Auckland. Every second year, run the pre-season over in Oz.

 

[Geoff Public]

I like the fact you have innovate thinking and are trying to reduce the travel schedule from hell.

However I think the Warriors have lost their way and they need to return to being us.
Reconnect with Auckland, stay with the original colours. Play our kind of football . Time for them to be All In

 

[matiunz]

Gotta be Fair to all teams with travel and scheduling, but in a perfect world I’d think it’d be ideal for us to have a month block in Queensland to play cowboys/Broncs/Goldcoast
Month in Sydney based maybe central coast to play half the Sydney teams.
Won’t happen but having 2 x 1 month camps during the season coinciding with the byes would be perfect

 

[gREVUS]

Here’s an idea from out off left field.

It seems like the NRL are still considering expanding the NRL into other cities in Australia. So why doesn’t the Warriors consider putting a bid in with say Perth or Adelaide where they share accommodation and training facilities on the Central Coast or North Sydney.

At the moment, there’s 12 home games, 12 away games and 1 “home” game played at another venue.

So, the Warriors should see if they can alternate with either a Perth or Adelaide based team so a block of six games are played at home and then base themselves on either the Central Coast or North Sydney for a block of six games. We then play our “home” game at that venue against the expansion team.

Would cut down our travel time hugely and help with recruitment that Sydney based players may consider the Warriors because of less travel and not moving to across the Tasman to Auckland. Every second year, run the pre-season over in Oz.

wouldnt that make things worse. Now instead of living in NZ you would be living in two different countries but would have your family in only one. You would have to have double the resources to have them in both countries, or you would have to pack it all up and move it every other month, costing mega $.
Personally i liked the idea of having all home games from the half way point of the season, but that then means that the away games will all be travelling and thats a long time away from family and on the road.
Unfortunately they will never have as many home or near games as the roosters no matter what they do. But what if they were to modify it so that they played 3 games away. That would also mean that they get three consecutive games at home (which i dont think has ever happened). That's still 17 to 18 days away. thats a lot. but it would be easy enough to do by having playing the broncos, titans and then magic round. or 3 sydney teams back to back.

 

[tajhay]

Here is a novel idea.
- Learn how to develop players properly. Show we can develop players into stars.
- Get a decent coaching structure. Not just because they previously played for the Warriors and are kiwis.
- Play an attractive brand of football.
- Learn to win games.
- Breed a culture of winning is everything.

Right now, our travel commitments, and our location ISNT the main thing holding this club back in regards recruiting players.

 

[JaggedJ]

Over the last couple of seasons our away record is identical to our home record.

The problem is we're shit.

 

[gREVUS]

Over the last couple of seasons our away record is identical to our home record.

The problem is we're shit.

i thought this year they won more away?

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

Here’s an idea from out off left field.

It seems like the NRL are still considering expanding the NRL into other cities in Australia. So why doesn’t the Warriors consider putting a bid in with say Perth or Adelaide where they share accommodation and training facilities on the Central Coast or North Sydney.

Dont go spreading very good ideas on here, people will abuse you for suggesting the Warriors base themselves in Australia, where they cant hide from the fans or from the media, instead the people want out players to be able to take our money, play 50% intensity and loose, go home, put the feet up and use our money to buy take out to celebrate. Vs being in the spot light which is 3x more intense than Union in NZ, at least nearly 20 NRL TV Shows, News, Radio, Papers sports columns.

Its a flappn good idea, but the best idea is to base themselves in Aus and travel to NZ 1/4 of their games. But the thing is people in Auck dont want their Club based in Aus because they cant go watch them lose.

Im with you though. There is no difference in the Warriors playing in Aus half the season being based in NZ or Aus. The only issue is supporters. If you went to Perth you would get a lot of supporters. If you went to South Brisbane you would get mostly NZ supporters where most Kiwis live (South Bris and GC).

Also you would get 10x more Aussie players wanting to play for NZ, given it doesnt rain in winter it rains in December in SE Qld, coming to cold rainy windy Auck is not enticing outside being paid 1.5x their salary worth.

Also would attract higher calbire coaches, coaching in Aus is a lot diff to NZ, its a lot more professional.

The list goes on to Club staff, trainers. Heck we might even attract somebody the caliber of Alex Corvo and given the players cant play at 50% then blame it on Alex, he might stay. Fn idiot CEO couldnt see through that one.

It is the only way the Warriors will ever win a GF imo and 100% definitely the only way they will consistently make the 8.

 

[JaggedJ]

i thought this year they won more away?

They won one more away this year, one less last year so over the last couple seasons it's equal.

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

Here is a novel idea.
- Learn how to develop players properly. Show we can develop players into stars.
- Get a decent coaching structure. Not just because they previously played for the Warriors and are kiwis.
- Play an attractive brand of football.
- Learn to win games.
- Breed a culture of winning is everything.

Right now, our travel commitments, and our location ISNT the main thing holding this club back in regards recruiting players.

I agree with your points but disagree our location is holding back coaches, players and most importantly, accountability. I also think our lack of accountability by 10000% (prob a lot more) more media, allows our players to lose, go home and put the feet up That is what is stopping all your points from occuring. Its just too easy to be lazy and lose in NZ. Nobody holds you accountable. Hence why all the quality players we have signed from Aus outside Roger Tuivasa-Sheck have turned to dust.

 

[tajhay]

I agree with your points but disagree our location is holding back coaches, players and most importantly, accountability. I also think our lack of accountability by 10000% (prob a lot more) more media, allows our players to lose, go home and put the feet up That is what is stopping all your points from occuring. Its just too easy to be lazy and lose in NZ. Nobody holds you accountable. Hence why all the quality players we have signed from Aus outside Roger Tuivasa-Sheck have turned to dust.

Melbourne storm.

Try telling them that.

All starts from leadership and culture.

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

Melbourne storm.

Try telling them that.

All starts from leadership and culture.

The storm have a lot more accountability via Media than the Warriors, even in Aerial Ping Pong capital. Melb loves all sport, including the storm. Aside from they get to attract better players due to locality. Sure the sunshine hours in winter are identical to Auck (literally), but you also get hot days (along with cold ones). But its more their locality.

And SK is 5% the coach Bellamy is and he is prob the best coach we can attract. SK looks at footy with a forwards brain, hitting it up 4-5 times out 6, and defense. He has ZERO offensive focus. We have no issue getting to the red zone. But we have no offensive strategy/set plays on how to get over the line with 6 sets in a row. Big Ken is a waste of talent not being used 5m from the line running into a hole caused by a set play or a draw and pass from Kodi (who will hold onto the ball as Ken goes through the gap).

We cant attract the highest quality players in NZ. Can you see Keary wanting to move to NZ even for overs? Thats the level of player we need at 1,, 2, 3, 6, 7, 9. Not some el cheapos. We are lucky we have the 1 and even our 2 and 3 are great at hitting the ball up But we dont have the coach to get 3 or a big forward over the line.

It just cant be done with NZ talent for 24 rounds. We are not close to the depth ARL is, right through the grades. A bit like Aus Union is but 10x worse, they at least have some depth.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck clearly doesnt care about money, hes worth 1.2m min, but on $800k. How long until he gets tired of George not signing quality replacements in the spine?

 

[mrblonde]

I agree with your points but disagree our location is holding back coaches, players and most importantly, accountability. I also think our lack of accountability by 10000% (prob a lot more) more media, allows our players to lose, go home and put the feet up That is what is stopping all your points from occuring. Its just too easy to be lazy and lose in NZ. Nobody holds you accountable. Hence why all the quality players we have signed from Aus outside Roger Tuivasa-Sheck have turned to dust.

Why would the level of accountability go up? Most media and fans - being fans of the other 15 Australian sides - would be very pleased to see the Warriors playing shit and would love the opportunity to abuse them in person since they don't have to go to Auckland to see them. I don't think the Warriors would suddenly get more time "On tonight's agenda" on NRL360. It's like saying the worst London EPL sides should be based up in Liverpool and Manchester because they'll be held to account. No, they won't. The Liverpool/Everton/Man U/Man C fans would just be able to laugh at them more while their London fans would resent travelling miles every week or, more likely, having no choice but following the "London" club's "Home" game - another issue, which stadium? New one or crappy old one? If I was Australian and had any say in the matter about the proposal of shifting the Warriors to Australia, "home" will be old and crappy - on Sky TV.

You can't say we don't hold the Warriors accountable. It's just the vast majority of fans (walk-up "nothing else on this weekend" crowd, "what's on TV? Oh, the Warriors. May as well watch..." types) aren't really that bothered.

Also, a lot of amateur comedians would lose their material if the Warriors became consistently good. And one of the funniest lines in "Hunt For The Wilderpeople" would lose it's context.

#soundslikearecordsbroken as the youngsters would probably put at the end of their Insta-phonographies

 

[tajhay]

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck clearly doesnt care about money, hes worth 1.2m min, but on $800k.

He's on 1.1m

His management asked for 300k more per season to re-sign.

So yes he does care.

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

You can't say we don't hold the Warriors accountable. It's just the vast majority of fans (walk-up "nothing else on this weekend" crowd, "what's on TV? Oh, the Warriors. May as well watch..." types) aren't really that bothered.

Also, a lot of amateur comedians would lose their material if the Warriors became consistently good. And one of the funniest lines in "Hunt For The Wilderpeople" would lose it's context.

#soundslikearecordsbroken as the youngsters would probably put at the end of their Insta-phonographies

Im going off what happens to teams in the NRL in Aus when they put their feet up, they get called out. It would be like the All Blacks giving 50% every game. You dont think our media would hold them accountable? times that by 100 and you get close to the amount of NRL media attention.

No I dont think as fans we do hold them accountable, Aussie fans will actually confront players over their performance, how often does that happen in NZ? But to your point, this is one of the problems, the sport just isnt that important in the majority of Kiwis eyes, they call them the Worriers, that is embarrassing, not something legacy clubs would allow let alone their fans.

Yes back to the Worriers, you are right re comedians and the Warriors actually being consistently good.

I almost believed it possible in NZ, I thought SK was following the process, Possession/Unforced eras, year 2 Defense/Fitnesss,he did a good job there with the help of Corvo in year 3 which should be Offense, but outside Shaun Johnson, there was none in the red zone. Then instead of getting Shaun Johnson to see what he now admits is true, he should consider a Salary adjustment on his resigning, in line with what Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is on. If mediated well Im sure we would have retained him and last year we would have done even better, but still lacked any set play/offensive trickery to keep the opp D confused.

So I dont think it possible SK will learn how to coach 24 rounds of quality offense, on a level the Roosters produce. Heck if the Warriors could convert the amount of red zone sets like the Chooks, even 50% as much, we would make the top 8. No issue getting down field at all. But that all goes back to how under rated Shaun Johnson was at doing the basics in offense weekly, we expected him to do that AND produce his own brilliance weekly.

Anyway, SK is the best coach our team can attract being in NZ. We let go of our best players and we sign really average ones to replace them. Given the issue of not being in Aus not being able to attract Marquee players, we cant afford to let go on Shaun Johnson and Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad etc.

If we were based in Aus, attracting quality players would be 10 fold easier.

 

[tajhay]

Im going off what happens to teams in the NRL in Aus when they put their feet up, they get called out.

We do too. Look at all the butthurt comments this past season by fans when Soward did his power rankings and other league commentators said we were not in contention.

Its OK to be optimistic, but a healthy dose of reality on what a farce this club is becoming needs to be swallowed. We have far too many fans esp on facebook where if someone challenges what the club is doing comments like 'go follow another team' 'you arent a true fan' '#Day1" BS gets spouted.

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

He's on 1.1m

His management asked for 300k more per season to re-sign.

So yes he does care.

Is that NZ? If so it could be $800k given our economical issues looming soon haha. But about time, hes our only Marquee player and he was Dally M, now Golden boot, he deserves it, but he could likely get more elsewhere. At the time though Shaun Johnson was on $300k (who really knows exactly) more. Im sure we could have put his worries to rest, given hes a Kiwi and wanted to stay at the Warriors no matter what. So he was pushed, he didnt have a choice, he was asked to test the Market, he did, and he won. You cant afford to let players of his caliber go. We had a top 4 spine until that point. If you added a higher quality 7 we were in legacy mode for the next 4 years. Hopefully what Chanel Harris-Tavita turns out to be. That start to your offensive set is everything. Im sure Chanel Harris-Tavita will manage the team well and put in his own opinion on our offense and our set plays, but Mooks still needs to do a much better job. He is way too cruisey in accepting complacency

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

We have far too many fans esp on facebook where if someone challenges what the club is doing comments like 'go follow another team' 'you arent a true fan' '#Day1" BS gets spouted.

WTF really?

Thats just plain wrong as you point out.

And VERY much different from Aussie clubs. They expect to be heard and voice their opinions not just online. Im not on FB so I didnt know that was going on, talk about tragic.

We all have opinions and just want the team to do better, so expecting more from the team regardless of how, should be the NORM, not Ousted. IMO the "you arent a true fan" people are a large percentage of the problem. They are just accepting whatever they are handed and paying for it. We as a collective group are by proxy the Warriors largest share holders. It should be the norm to discuss and come up with whats going wrong and what might work better by the fans.

 

[matiunz]

The storm have a lot more accountability via Media than the Warriors, even in Aerial Ping Pong capital. Melb loves all sport, including the storm. Aside from they get to attract better players due to locality. Sure the sunshine hours in winter are identical to Auck (literally), but you also get hot days (along with cold ones). But its more their locality.

And SK is 5% the coach Bellamy is and he is prob the best coach we can attract. SK looks at footy with a forwards brain, hitting it up 4-5 times out 6, and defense. He has ZERO offensive focus. We have no issue getting to the red zone. But we have no offensive strategy/set plays on how to get over the line with 6 sets in a row. Big Ken is a waste of talent not being used 5m from the line running into a hole caused by a set play or a draw and pass from Kodi (who will hold onto the ball as Ken goes through the gap).

We cant attract the highest quality players in NZ. Can you see Keary wanting to move to NZ even for overs? Thats the level of player we need at 1,, 2, 3, 6, 7, 9. Not some el cheapos. We are lucky we have the 1 and even our 2 and 3 are great at hitting the ball up But we dont have the coach to get 3 or a big forward over the line.

It just cant be done with NZ talent for 24 rounds. We are not close to the depth ARL is, right through the grades. A bit like Aus Union is but 10x worse, they at least have some depth.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck clearly doesnt care about money, hes worth 1.2m min, but on $800k. How long until he gets tired of George not signing quality replacements in the spine?

the Melbourne one is an interesting example. In Vic Storm get next to no coverage in the media but due to their Australian Rep and Origin players they get a decent amount of coverage in NSW and Qld. Warriors get similar coverage in NZ to say the swans and giants in Sydney-not the main story but an ok amount.
I’d say Warriors players are more likely to get recognised on the street in Auckland than Storm players would in Melbourne.

Regardless if the Warriors were based anywhere in Aus you’d lose 80% of your fan base over night and the game in nz would descend further, it’d be viewed as just another Aussie team by nz’ers and not accepted by Aussies- the NRL would be brain dead to do it

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

I’d say Warriors players are more likely to get recognised on the street in Auckland than Storm players would in Melbourne.

Regardless if the Warriors were based anywhere in Aus you’d lose 80% of your fan base over night and the game in nz would descend further, it’d be viewed as just another Aussie team by nz’ers and not accepted by Aussies- the NRL would be brain dead to do it

I live in Melb and most people I know, know who is in the storm team. Id say the Swans are not known by anybody in Sydney lol They are my team and when I lived there nobody followed them. Definitely more interest in league in Melb than in Auckland, let alone smaller cities.

I think if you based your team in South Brisbane fan base would be fine. Nobody in Auck likes the Warriors outside real league fans. South Bris/GC is all Rugby League, no union and VERY little AFl, and its NZ's largest pop outside NZ. You would also get a lot of Aus fans as believe it or not there are a lot who like the way the Warriors brand of football is/was (prior to SK).

I think over time you would increase fan support as well.

The bigger picture is attracting quality coaching and players, 25 years of 2 major failure GFs tells us we just dont have the talent in NZ. And we dont. Yes occasionally a good player comes along, but not enough to be a team like the chooks. We have never had a quality 24 round coach. Then you have logistics. Being based in Aus would make it so much easier on the players/staff.

For me, given we play half our games in Aus. Id rather win the premiership than worry about being based in Aus which makes so much sense.

I understand the cause for concern and your opinion and others. I just think the pros outweigh the cons.

One thing is for sure, going forward if the Warriors stay in Auck, they need to be located centrally. No ifs or buts. Mt Smart was never liked in the beginning and its never gotten any better. Its not even close to the home of NZ RL. Nobody in the north or central or west has a chance to get there outside driving which is ridiculous (Auck public transport rated 11th worst city in the world, including 3rd world countries)