General New Zealand Politics

[Miket12]

The value is in the land not the golf clubs facilities.

Why should Remuera Golf Club get a peppercorn rent?
But one private concert promoted by a private entity at Western Springs or Mt Smart pay $2r0k or 12% of ticket revenue.

Does the council derive profit from the clubs bar or hospitality income.

ARE 13 COURSE NEEDED FOR 100 000 PARTICPANTS

Again, golf courses generate income for the council, stadiums don’t.

 

[Juju]

Again, golf courses generate income for the council, stadiums don’t.

Like what exactly?

 

[Juju]

We have Eden Park which can look after those events. Its privately owned. The ongoing new employment created in an industrial area will be popular. Sure we'll loose some concerts and the Warriors but it's the same reality for some golfers under your proposal.

Do we have 13 sports stadiums paying peppercorn rents?

With an attendance of less than 100 000 people a year?

Mt Smart has 3 or 4 concerts a year that promoters pay 6 figure rentals / or a per centre of ticket revenue AND run the bars and food & and the warriors as tenants.

VS.

Golf Clubs play peppercorn leases and no cut of F&B.

 

[Geoff Public]

Do we have 13 sports stadiums paying peppercorn rents?

With an attendance of less than 100 000 people a year?

Mt Smart has 3 or 4 concerts a year that promoters pay 6 figure rentals / or a per centre of ticket revenue AND run the bars and food & and the warriors as tenants.

VS.

Golf Clubs play peppercorn leases and no cut of F&B.

How many stadiums/ entertainment venues do you think we have Juju? And how much do they cost the ratepayers? Actually we'll never really know. RFA has been a law unto itself for decades. Imo it had no respect for Goff and our current mayor will likely fare no differently.

Anyway it is the councils job to provide a wide range of things to its citizens. Most of which I will never use. But you or someone else might. And if their life is better using a stadium, a golf course, a library or a pool and leisure centre to name but a few, that's OK with me.

 

[Juju]

How many stadiums/ entertainment venues do you think we have Juju? And how much do they cost the ratepayers? Actually we'll never really know. RFA has been a law unto itself for decades. Imo it had no respect for Goff and our current mayor will likely fare no differently.

Anyway it is the councils job to provide a wide range of things to its citizens. Most of which I will never use. But you or someone else might. And if their life is better using a stadium, a golf course, a library or a pool and leisure centre to name but a few, that's OK with me.

It's not hard to calculate
We have Mt Smart, Western Springs, Trusts, Eden Park (not privately owned) who can host live concerts. Nobody who promotes a concert their pays a pepper corn rental.

Why should Remuera Golf Course for instance get a nominal rent and keep F&B but not the Warriors at Mt Smart pay a rental and give up F&B.

So interesting there is 0 compelling argument for the amount of publicly owned courses Auckland has.

 

[Miket12]

Like what exactly?

Sorry, I’ve already shown how clubs meet their own expenses and yet still pay council leases. Stadiums don’t generate income for council and were part of the $1.3 billion deficit generated by Auckland Unlimited. It’s pretty simple really.

Changing these golf courses to public parks would not only mean Council misses out on the revenue received from the leases but would add to the $873 million the council currently spends in its Parks budget.

 

[Juju]

Sorry, I’ve already shown how clubs meet their own expenses and yet still pay council leases. Stadiums don’t generate income for council and were part of the $1.3 billion deficit generated by Auckland Unlimited. It’s pretty simple really.

Changing these golf courses to public parks would not only mean Council misses out on the revenue received from the leases but would add to the $873 million the council currently spends in its Parks budget.

Clubs meeting their expenses & operating to benefit the Citizens of Auckland and creating income for the city is completely different.

How much are the leases of the golf courses? and what extra revenue is derived for the council from their activities?

Could 100k golf participant be serviced be half the amount of publicly owned courses

Honestly like I've said - if this was a clown school controlling 530 hectares with 100k participants people here would not be as embarrassing.

Please explain to me how Remuera Golf Course business model makes sense to rate payers.
You can't... so shush

 

[Geoff Public]

It's not hard to calculate
We have Mt Smart, Western Springs, Trusts, Eden Park (not privately owned) who can host live concerts. Nobody who promotes a concert their pays a pepper corn rental.

Why should Remuera Golf Course for instance get a nominal rent and keep F&B but not the Warriors at Mt Smart pay a rental and give up F&B.

So interesting there is 0 compelling argument for the amount of publicly owned courses Auckland has.

Also North Harbour, Spark, Manukau, do we own the Pukekohe one now? Waikaraka Park. Also Aotea Centre and Bruce Mason if we're looking at event places. A whole lot more I can't think of.

None of them make a profit. They all cost us money. So if none of them make money then the rent is subsidised.

The mental and physical health benefits of golf are unquestionable. So is the ability for a far greater population percentage to access golf with cheap rentals.

You use Remuera as an example. Probably because of the name and high profile members. When that whole area is really available to St John's, Mt Wellington and Glen Innes. Places where the less affluent live. Good to see you're sticking to your far right views.

 

[brightman]

Changing these golf courses to public parks would not only mean Council misses out on the revenue received from the leases but would add to the $873 million the council currently spends in its Parks budget.

Geez imagine if everyone had a backyard instead of a local golf course, council could buy everyone a lawnmower to cut the berms and still afford new roads with that budget..

 

[Juju]

Also North Harbour, Spark, Manukau, do we own the Pukekohe one now? Waikaraka Park. Also Aotea Centre and Bruce Mason if we're looking at event places. A whole lot more I can't think of.

None of them make a profit. They all cost us money. So if none of them make money then the rent is subsidised.

The mental and physical health benefits of golf are unquestionable. So is the ability for a far greater population percentage to access golf with cheap rentals.

You use Remuera as an example. Probably because of the name and high profile members. When that whole area is really available to St John's, Mt Wellington and Glen Innes. Places where the less affluent live. Good to see you're sticking to your far right views.

Spark is owned by Live Nation with the local iwi deriving income.

Private entities need to pay a rental vs % of ticket revenue deal to us Bruce Mason, Town Hall, Civic, Manukau etc to use them IE market rents.

AND the Council retain F&B rental rights and courage. Ticketing revenue also.
Is the arrangement with golf courses the same??? (no)

The mental and physical health benefits of 100k annual golfers could be serviced by less than 3 public owned golf courses. 13 is massive overkill.

How many Remuera Golf Club Members paying a $6k joining fee and $3k annual sub come from Glen Innes or Mt Wellington realistically.

STILL nobody has been able to provide any sort of argument for private golf clubs on public land. Embarrassing.

 

[Miket12]

It's not hard to calculate
We have Mt Smart, Western Springs, Trusts, Eden Park (not privately owned) who can host live concerts. Nobody who promotes a concert their pays a pepper corn rental.

Why should Remuera Golf Course for instance get a nominal rent and keep F&B but not the Warriors at Mt Smart pay a rental and give up F&B.

So interesting there is 0 compelling argument for the amount of publicly owned courses Auckland has.

It‘s simple. The Warriors don’t own the facilities at Mt Smart. The promoter of concerts don’t own the facilities at Mt Smart. Live Nation, Frontier, Brent Eccles, Anthony Metcalf, Pacific Entertainment, Greenstone Entertainment don’t own the facilities at Mt Smart. Or did any of them pay for the development of the facilities. Or do any of them have to pay for the maintenance of them. Or do they pay for the mowing of grass, landscape maintenance, arborists.

Golf Clubs own the facilities, not Auckland Unlimited. The clubs paid for the development of the courses. Golf Clubs pay for the maintenance of the facilities. They pay for arborists and tree replanting. Green maintenance. Driveways.

The reason there’s a difference between F&B for golf courses and the Warriors and promoters is the amount of money spent on the facilities and maintaining them.

 

[Geoff Public]

Spark is owned by Live Nation with the local iwi deriving income.

Private entities need to pay a rental vs % of ticket revenue deal to us Bruce Mason, Town Hall, Civic, Manukau etc to use them IE market rents.

AND the Council retain F&B rental rights and courage. Ticketing revenue also.
Is the arrangement with golf courses the same??? (no)

The mental and physical health benefits of 100k annual golfers could be serviced by less than 3 public owned golf courses. 13 is massive overkill.

How many Remuera Golf Club Members paying a $6k joining fee and $3k annual sub come from Glen Innes or Mt Wellington realistically.

STILL nobody has been able to provide any sort of argument for private golf clubs on public land. Embarrassing.

Yeah Juju whatever you and your far right cronies say to justify depriving the poor the right to play golf.

And Spark Arenas website says while there is a partnership we own it. And unless there's a sweetheart deal the money paid for the lease would be insane.

 

[Juju]

It‘s simple. The Warriors don’t own the facilities at Mt Smart. The promoter of concerts don’t own the facilities at Mt Smart. Live Nation, Frontier, Brent Eccles, Anthony Metcalf, Pacific Entertainment, Greenstone Entertainment don’t own the facilities at Mt Smart. Or did any of them pay for the development of the facilities. Or do any of them have to pay for the maintenance of them. Or do they pay for the mowing of grass, landscape maintenance, arborists.

Golf Clubs own the facilities, not Auckland Unlimited. The clubs paid for the development of the courses. Golf Clubs pay for the maintenance of the facilities. They pay for arborists and tree replanting. Green maintenance. Driveways.

The reason there’s a difference between F&B for golf courses and the Warriors and promoters is the amount of money spent on the facilities and maintaining them.

The Golf Clubs on Auckland rate payer land don't own the land they operate on which is the actual REAL value of each the asset. The Auckland Rate Payer does.

And really the question is does 13 course for 100k participants return value to Auckland citizens as a use of asset. NOPE.

The other point you guys seem to be ignoring is there are lots more non council golf owned courses in the region service a small player base.

Believe it or not promoters do get charged for aborists, lawn moving, turf, compliance on top of their rental terms.

 

[Juju]

Yeah Juju whatever you and your far right cronies say to justify depriving the poor the right to play golf.

Aren't you the guy that calls people with Ta Moko "scribble face" and now you expect me Remuera Golf course is for the under privileged of Glen Innes and Mt Wellington.

It's ok to admit you don't know what you're talking about with venues.

 

[Juju]

Yeah Juju whatever you and your far right cronies say to justify depriving the poor the right to play golf.

And Spark Arenas website says while there is a partnership we own it. And unless there's a sweetheart deal the money paid for the lease would be insane.

Spark arena is a private / public ownership with a piece to the Iwi.
Are the private member golf clubs?

Nice edit to make you seem less triggered.

 

[Geoff Public]

Aren't you the guy that calls people with Ta Moko "scribble face" and now you expect me Remuera Golf course is for the under privileged of Glen Innes and Mt Wellington.

It's ok to admit you don't know what you're talking about with venues.

What I am doesn't change you. Sling some more son. I know who I am and are comfortable with it.

And many moons ago when I flatted in Mt Wellington you could do evening golf over summer at a good price. I didn't but others in the group of flats did. And no one there had a lot of money. But you and your far right buddies would deny them.

And who owns Spark. Although in reality it's just a venue guided by Ticket Master Australia with a lease paid to a private company. A golf course is a diamond compared to the 80-90 mill we spent building this turkey.

 

[snake77]

I'm not going to get into the golf course vs housing and cost benefit analysis debate. But man when I saw that Pupuke gold course was worth $300 million I thought back to covid when I saw people using it as a recreational area going for a walk and a few people deciding they can't typically ride their bikes or do anything too exciting on there normally so they'll give it a go. The greens keeper would of been keen for the lockdowns to end to get back to fixing his course.

Pupuke does flood in parts from what I can see from the road.

The only thing I'll add on the population vs number of courses and golfers is a question for the golfers on here. How much parking do the other courses have?

Pupuke I drive past a lot either to get to and from work or around on the weekends. The car park is often pretty full and really looks like it is undersized.

 

[Dixpat]

Pupuke is a “public reserve - Centennial Park” and the public have as much right to be on it as the golfers.

The golf club have been using the park for 108 years

There is an etiquette between both public and golfers so that the multi usage works.

In addition there is the Centennial Park Bush Society which maintains the extremities of the park which is well planted in mature trees etc.

Without making a comparison with any other of the council owned areas used for golf Pupuke is a well used sporting and community environment which works for all

 

[snake77]

Pupuke is a “public reserve - Centennial Park” and the public have as much right to be on it as the golfers.

The golf club have been using the park for 108 years

There is an etiquette between both public and golfers so that the multi usage works.

In addition there is the Centennial Park Bush Society which maintains the extremities of the park which is well planted in mature trees etc.

Without making a comparison with any other of the council owned areas used for golf Pupuke is a well used sporting and community environment which works for all

Thanks I didn't know it was classed as a public reserve. I do know people can walk through it.

The walking and riding through it during covid wasn't the walk around tracks like you would typically do.

A lot of it was families taking advantage of it being quiet and not having golf balls flying around. I don't typically see kids riding around it like a BMX tack though.

 

[bruce]

Have you been out to Kaye Maxwell's out at Ramarama? I really think my friends who are trying to get me into it were really trying to put me off when we played out there!!!

I don't go over the Manukau often.