General New Zealand Politics

If there was an election today, who would you vote for?

  • National

    Votes: 13 27.7%
  • Labour

    Votes: 14 29.8%
  • Greens

    Votes: 5 10.6%
  • NZ First

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Act

    Votes: 6 12.8%
  • New Conservative Party

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • None of then

    Votes: 3 6.4%

  • Total voters
    47
Noitall

Noitall

Defend this scathing attack lefties!

In 2014 it was revealed that, three years earlier, the Beehive had used secret SIS material to smear then Opposition leader Phil Goff through the Whaleoil blog.

The Ardern Government's smearing of Charlotte Bellis, the pregnant New Zealander stuck in Afghanistan after the Government denied her permission to return home to give birth, is in a similar category.

In mitigation, then Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins at least did his smearing transparently rather than anonymously through social media.

But aggravating his offence is that the Ardern Government knew that what Hipkins was saying about Bellis was not true.

Hipkins has now apologised to Bellis, but only after threats of defamation proceedings.

Making his words even more hollow, the public apology comes five months after Hipkins must have been advised that his smear was untrue and more than three months after he apologised to Bellis privately.

For five months, Hipkins has allowed the public to believe that Bellis had twice been offered government assistance to return home from Afghanistan but had turned it down — implying she was some kind of drama queen making a political point, rather than a mum-to-be wanting to give birth in her hometown of Christchurch rather than Kabul.

For her part, Jacinda Ardern says the main thing is that an apology has now been given.

I believe the sequence of events smells of the public apology being cynically delayed until the Government was required to release official information revealing its lie and after Hipkins had been relieved of his Covid responsibilities in last week's Cabinet reshuffle.

Were Hipkins still Covid-19 Response Minister when it all became public on Wednesday, Ardern would have had to sack him. He still remains Minister of Education, Minister of Police, Leader of the House, fifth-ranked in Cabinet and Minister for the Public Service, making him head of the entire Wellington bureaucracy.

Once, Hipkins remaining in Cabinet at all would have been untenable. But standards have progressively fallen, first under John Key's Government and further under Ardern.

Those who still think ministers should meet previous standards of integrity might celebrate that at least one brave woman has squeezed an apology out of the Beehive.

But the Government this week wouldn't apologise to the hundreds of other pregnant New Zealanders who were blocked from returning home by Hipkins' MIQ lottery and emergency allocation system, which the courts have found operated after September 1, 2021 as a legally unjustified limit on the right of New Zealand citizens to enter their own country. By October, 229 New Zealanders had applied for emergency MIQ allocation to return home pregnant, but only 23 were allowed in.

Advised that the system was of dubious legality, the Government's practice seems to have been to take seriously only those applicants with the means to sue — and even then to wait just before an actual hearing to back down.

The priority was not helping desperate New Zealand citizens return home. It was avoiding embarrassing Ardern and Hipkins by preventing court judgments that might find the system unlawful.


The Government is not appealing these High Court judgments. Yet it has also made clear that it will not be apologising to anyone.

To do so, it fears, would provide grounds for more New Zealanders to ask the courts to examine the way they were treated by Ardern's Government and perhaps seek damages. That would never do, since it could hurt the Prime Minister's global brand, set to be on display at the Nato summit next week in Madrid, EU headquarters in Brussels and at a photo op with embattled British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in London.

Former Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark is among those concerned about Ardern's tilt towards the US and Nato and away from the "independent foreign policy" pursued by Bill English, Key, Clark herself, Jenny Shipley and Jim Bolger for three decades.

God only knows what David Lange would think of Ardern addressing the annual summit of a US-led military alliance based on nuclear deterrence.

On her visit to Brussels and London, the Prime Minister will be accompanied mainly for illustrative purposes by a carefully vetted "business" delegation to present her as pro-business to New Zealand voters worried about economic security.

In truth, real New Zealand businesspeople are gearing up to fight the Government's ongoing attacks on their viability with bans on immigration, constant minimum wage increases and the return of 1970s-style national awards and stagflation.

If more were needed to reveal the Government as a mere focus-group-driven PR charade, five years since the Prime Minister appointed herself Minister for Child Poverty Reduction and declared that her Government would build 100,000 new homes, KidsCan founder Julie Chapman reports that "poverty is the worst it's been for families", mainly because of housing.

The State of Child Health Report from Cure Kids, in partnership with the Paediatric Society, the Royal Australasian College of Physicians and Otago University's Child and Youth Epidemiology Service, found that New Zealand's rates of dental disease, respiratory conditions, skin infections, acute rheumatic fever and rheumatic heart disease are too high relative to other resource-rich countries. For dental disease and respiratory conditions, hospitalisation rates continue to worsen.

According to the Government's Children's Commissioner, Frances Eivers, "on many measures, New Zealand is currently one of the worst places in the developed world to be a child."

There comes a time when governments simply must be thrown out. It's bad enough that the Ardern Government has proven incompetent at delivering any of the things it was elected to do. Its performance over Bellis shows it has now joined some of its most infamous predecessors in the slime.


I think it’s best for bellis if this story dies. Can recall at the time how many woman’s groups were enraged that her story had given the taliban a human side that really has gotten much worse since. That was the collateral in her getting what she desired.
 
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Mr Brownstone

5 years after the Prime Minister appointed herself Minister for Child Poverty Reduction and made child poverty her priority, New Zealand is now “one of the worst places in the developed world to be a child” according to the governments own child commissioner 🤦‍♂️

Unbelievable people still support our most incompetent government ever…
Hey in Tauranga is there much chat about the delay tactics of the government regarding the consent process for the container port extension down there? Labour bending over to local iwi and putting their personal interests (not putting at risk support from the Maori party at the next election) ahead of critical infrastructure build for probably our single most important freight asset at a time of massive supply chain congestion.

I can guarantee you that this issue will be a key attack weapon of National in the lead up to the next election.
 
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Noitall

Noitall

Hey in Tauranga is there much chat about the delay tactics of the government regarding the consent process for the container port extension down there? Labour bending over to local iwi and putting their personal interests (not putting at risk support from the Maori party at the next election) ahead of critical infrastructure build for probably our single most important freight asset at a time of massive supply chain congestion.

I can guarantee you that this issue will be a key attack weapon of National in the lead up to the next election.
I think many who are ill or have loved ones that are would mark the changes to DHB’s and making it a more even system as national were against the timing would view that as most critical. National said the timing was wrong in a pandemic, but if the pandemic never goes away, is there any right time? And pandemic/healthcare reform makes sense at this time.
 
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john nick

john nick

Hey in Tauranga is there much chat about the delay tactics of the government regarding the consent process for the container port extension down there? Labour bending over to local iwi and putting their personal interests (not putting at risk support from the Maori party at the next election) ahead of critical infrastructure build for probably our single most important freight asset at a time of massive supply chain congestion.

I can guarantee you that this issue will be a key attack weapon of National in the lead up to the next election.
Wondering if this is so important (and I think it is) why none of the candidates in the recent bi-election didn't mention the fact.
Listened to quite a few interviews and never heard it mentioned 🤔
 
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Fonzie

Fonzie

Every year we debate the minimum wage going up. Is it inflationary and should it be tied to productivity?

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5 years of massive minimum wage rises under labour. An extra $218 earned per week! They must be so much better off? So are all those minim wage earners now living comfortably? Has poverty gone down? They all have their own homes? 🤣 there’s a lesson there for some Labour voters if they are wanting to see the light…

Some people want the shortcuts and vote themselves rich. It doesn’t work!

How we really get ahead? Increase productivity - make greater use of our natural resources (mining, agriculture, etc); remove red tape and burdens on compliance; spend government money on R&D instead of vanity projects; upgrade highways to allow higher speed limits safely; etc.

Then we will all benefit from higher GDP and lower prices and most of the current social issues will self correct. Real wealth/ income building progress.
This is a bit of a weird post - are you saying that the people who got this pay rise aren’t better off with it? Would they be better of today without it, given close to full employment in the face of higher house prices, imported inflation?

I agree with the principle around productivity by the way, but would like to see that applied in more areas across the economy, not just focussed on what low income earners get paid
 
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Wondering if this is so important (and I think it is) why none of the candidates in the recent bi-election didn't mention the fact.
Listened to quite a few interviews and never heard it mentioned 🤔
They will wait to use it at the key time - the Tauranga bi-election isn’t it.
 
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john nick

john nick

They will wait to use it at the key time - the Tauranga bi-election isn’t it.
You suggested that the Nats would use it in the lead up to the election. Very strange that with about a dozen candidates all from different political groups never once mentioned it.
 
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Mr Brownstone

You suggested that the Nats would use it in the lead up to the election. Very strange that with about a dozen candidates all from different political groups never once mentioned it.
Yeah who knows, but it will definitely be focused on by National and I imagine Act in the future. They are definitely aware of the problem and the motivations driving it.
 
john nick

john nick

Yeah who knows, but it will definitely be focused on by National and I imagine Act in the future. They are definitely aware of the problem and the motivations driving it.
Understand what you are saying. Obviously the candidates didn't think it was important enough to even talk about
 

Mr Brownstone

Understand what you are saying. Obviously the candidates didn't think it was important enough to even talk about
I’m only guessing however I think there’s every chance the local candidates were either not aware of it or directed not to speak about it at this time.
 
john nick

john nick

I’m only guessing however I think there’s every chance the local candidates were either not aware of it or directed not to speak about it at this time.
Would have been a great political discussion point for the local candidates.
 
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wizards rage

wizards rage

This is a bit of a weird post - are you saying that the people who got this pay rise aren’t better off with it? Would they be better of today without it, given close to full employment in the face of higher house prices, imported inflation?

I agree with the principle around productivity by the way, but would like to see that applied in more areas across the economy, not just focussed on what low income earners get paid
I’m saying minimum wage increases just increase costs so you are no better off.

Those minimum wage earners are poorer now despite the rises as all the stats are showing.

I 100% believe we would have been better with lower wages and lower costs.
 
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wizards rage

wizards rage

I think it’s best for bellis if this story dies. Can recall at the time how many woman’s groups were enraged that her story had given the taliban a human side that really has gotten much worse since. That was the collateral in her getting what she desired.
Not her fault the teleban were kinder than Ardern.

Great headline for the news and she knew it.
 
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wizards rage

wizards rage

labour gave no indication of what term they would be able to fix the issues they ran their election on
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Noitall

Noitall

Not her fault the teleban were kinder than Ardern.

Great headline for the news and she knew it.
Yeah she got what she wanted, think it will damage her credibility long term though to the community that she was over there representing-woman. Still fascinates how the taliban were so accommodating at the time saying stay as long as need, though you’re unmarried and pregnant and we don’t let that fly for the rest of who we rule. I’m yet to see our brutal dictator perform the atrocities the taliban has and find the comparison pretty poor.
 
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Fonzie

Fonzie

I’m saying minimum wage increases just increase costs so you are no better off.

Those minimum wage earners are poorer now despite the rises as all the stats are showing.

I 100% believe we would have been better with lower wages and lower costs.
Yeah but you aren’t seriously saying that the global consumer inflation and asset price inflation that we have seen is because the NZ minimum wage went up are you?
 
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wizards rage

Yeah but you aren’t seriously saying that the global consumer inflation and asset price inflation that we have seen is because the NZ minimum wage went up are you?
In science we make a prediction and test the result and if it’s true it supports the theory being fact.

I said pushing up the minimum wage would make the minimum wage no better off in the long term… and it’s supported by the evidence 🤷‍♂️

My coffee cup price has rocketed up and most of that is purely the increase in labour costs!
 
Fonzie

Fonzie

In science we make a prediction and test the result and if it’s true it supports the theory being fact.

I said pushing up the minimum wage would make the minimum wage no better off in the long term… and it’s supported by the evidence 🤷‍♂️

My coffee cup price has rocketed up and most of that is purely the increase in labour costs!
By the same logic I could claim that this global inflation was caused because the Warriors let go of Kane Evans - it started the very month he left the club. Think about it
 
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