General New Zealand Politics

If there was an election today, who would you vote for?

  • National

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 24 36.9%
  • Greens

    Votes: 6 9.2%
  • NZ First

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Act

    Votes: 14 21.5%
  • New Conservative Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • None of then

    Votes: 10 15.4%

  • Total voters
    65

Rick O'Shay

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May 1, 2013
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Reti and Bridges would not be picked as the same species though hey...if you played Sesame street one of these things is not like the other....to say an international audience and had a board full of people who look like Soimon and Seymour and one Reti.....

Truth time. We are not ready for Obama yet, we are too young of a colony.

Btw i love white people, I thought I needed to say that lol some of my closest family are white people....I love them more than some Maoris in my clan...I am not meaning to create a race thing here...just saying how it is from the minority point of view which I fully realize super upsets the mainstream...even though my reality is shared by a million people of colour in this country.

You should hear what the other half have to say sometimes, because whatever you have in your head...ain’t what is in a million other peoples daily reminders of being different.....and we don't need to hear the explanations of why we are wrong...why racism exists in every other country in the world but somehow magically not in ours.....even though Nada Glavish was fired from telecom for saying Kiaora. Leane Malcom received death threats for saying Kiaora,. Hine Wehimohi got death threats for singing the anthem in Maori.

Nothing to see here....It seems my race card has turned into a full deck in my life.
I hear what you say and being a part of it for family reasons I understand it.

But please don't cast all of us into the pit.
 
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Rizzah

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From Bernard Hickey's daily email. Podcast at the bottom.


‘Show us the money’​

The Reserve Bank hiked interest rates this week, partly because of worries a surge in price inflation and a tight labour market will lead to a 1970s-style wage-price spiral. However, I think that assumption we’re headed ‘back to the 70s’ is worth challenging and that’s what I did in this week’s When The Facts Change podcast for the Spinoff.

Workers lack many of the tools and powers they used to get big pay increases 40 years ago. And the pressures of the internet’s internationalisation of services, the rise of contracting culture and the near-constant threat of ‘restructures’ make workers more nervous than they should be.

I talked to CTU Chief Economist Craig Renney about how union involvement in the private sector is much lower than when strikes were common and wage deals were arbitrated nationally.

There’s also still downward pressure from the move to outsource jobs overseas or into work-sharing platforms, as well push working into precarious contracting structures.

Renney argues that increasing the minimum wage to the living wage would help improve living standards and not reduce jobs growth. He’s also hopeful Fair Pay Agreements will rebalance the shift seen in the power relationship between workers and employers since the 1991 Employment Contract Act.

Kiwibank Economist Mary-Jo Vergara talks in the podcast about how tight the market in New Zealand has become, but also its special characteristics that make it different from the US and other jobs markets, where workforce participation has dropped and talk of ‘The Big Quit’ is rife.

So far, New Zealand’s wage inflation is still relatively low at just 2.4%, which means workers are actually seeing real wage deflation right now and incomes are rising much slower than the last time unemployment was below 4% in 2007.

There are some anecdotal signs of workers being poached and given sign-on bonuses, but that’s been limited to the highest skilled areas such as software development. Widespread and higher wage inflation is no sure thing in a market where the forces of demand and supply are up against ‘sticky’ prices.

Here’s a few charts to show the wage inflation isn’t here yet and most workers are not feeling as confident about wage increases as they did the last time unemployment was low.







 

Rizzah

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bruce

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Sep 1, 2015
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Hine Wehimohi got death threats for singing the anthem in Maori.
I remember, how sick. Did anybody give her a medal, she deserved it.
You should hear what the other half have to say sometimes
That is the key to racism, seeing how the other guys sees it and accepting that his culture is valid. Actually way more difficult to do than it should be, because the culture nazis get in on it.
 

bruce

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I hear what you say and being a part of it for family reasons I understand it.

But please don't cast all of us into the pit.
Reti and Peters are entirely different people.

The one thing they have in common is Maori ancestry and each with a pakeha mother.

Also I believe Reti was raised a Mormon, as was Cindy.

They are university educated, but Reti to an overseas post graduate level in medicine, Peters law degree at Auckland.

I have known of Reti since he was a medical graduate, my view of his ability and character has never changed. He has always aspired to leadership, as opposed to a political showboat.
 

bruce

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From Bernard Hickey's daily email. Podcast at the bottom.


‘Show us the money’​

The Reserve Bank hiked interest rates this week, partly because of worries a surge in price inflation and a tight labour market will lead to a 1970s-style wage-price spiral. However, I think that assumption we’re headed ‘back to the 70s’ is worth challenging and that’s what I did in this week’s When The Facts Change podcast for the Spinoff.

Workers lack many of the tools and powers they used to get big pay increases 40 years ago. And the pressures of the internet’s internationalisation of services, the rise of contracting culture and the near-constant threat of ‘restructures’ make workers more nervous than they should be.

I talked to CTU Chief Economist Craig Renney about how union involvement in the private sector is much lower than when strikes were common and wage deals were arbitrated nationally.

There’s also still downward pressure from the move to outsource jobs overseas or into work-sharing platforms, as well push working into precarious contracting structures.

Renney argues that increasing the minimum wage to the living wage would help improve living standards and not reduce jobs growth. He’s also hopeful Fair Pay Agreements will rebalance the shift seen in the power relationship between workers and employers since the 1991 Employment Contract Act.

Kiwibank Economist Mary-Jo Vergara talks in the podcast about how tight the market in New Zealand has become, but also its special characteristics that make it different from the US and other jobs markets, where workforce participation has dropped and talk of ‘The Big Quit’ is rife.

So far, New Zealand’s wage inflation is still relatively low at just 2.4%, which means workers are actually seeing real wage deflation right now and incomes are rising much slower than the last time unemployment was below 4% in 2007.

There are some anecdotal signs of workers being poached and given sign-on bonuses, but that’s been limited to the highest skilled areas such as software development. Widespread and higher wage inflation is no sure thing in a market where the forces of demand and supply are up against ‘sticky’ prices.

Here’s a few charts to show the wage inflation isn’t here yet and most workers are not feeling as confident about wage increases as they did the last time unemployment was low.







Hickey is on the money here. The unions in NZ are busted so wage inflation will be purely market related, if that.
 

snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
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I don't like Winston Peters. But one thing I didn't like was his rubbing it in last time Bridges got sacked as leader and played the Kelly's Heroes theme.

Think the opening lyrics probably suit as whatever friends Collins has in politics if you can have any probably warned her. But she held who head up high and passed them by.

As Peters isn't only around on Twitter or for the occasional sound bite someone has to do it.

 
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Rick O'Shay

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I don't like Winston Peters. But one thing I didn't like was his rubbing it in last time Bridges got sacked as leader and played the Kelly's Heroes theme.

Think the opening lyrics probably suit as whatever friends Collins has in politics if you can have any probably warned her. But she held who head up high and passed them by.

As Peters isn't only around on Twitter or for the occasional sound bite someone has to do it.


Ha Ha Mike Curb. Should be in the music thread. Guy was a hero in the US. I'd heard the song many times but wasn't until he was successful in Nascar which I follow that I got the connection.

And yes Winston is a cunning Maori.
 
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Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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I hope Jacinda gets out of politics before the Antivaxx far right kill her.

It really worries me. We are so poorly defended here and these people are crazy.

Her family has been getting increasing death threats post Covid and the infiltration by Trumpism and the most dangerous figure of all is Brian Tamaki.
That evil man with his evangelical bank earner is actually loading the crowd against her in the exact same playbook as Jan 6th and he is aiming his loaded religious and antisocial fanatics at her.


She has a young family. It is not worth It. I lived with threats like that, threats to my family, being stalked having protection orders on people I had rumbles with.

It is not worth it. We had to move house every six months or so after a hit placed on my family, I will not name the gang publicly. But they have been in the news a lot lately.


Adern cannot do that, she cannot move around all the time. And she cannot lie low.

All the American Nazi and far right groups hate the woman. Get out Jacinda.
 
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Rick O'Shay

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May 1, 2013
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I hope Jacinda gets out of politics before the Antivaxx far right kill her.

It really worries me. We are so poorly defended here and these people are crazy.

Her family has been getting increasing death threats post Covid and the infiltration by Trumpism and the most dangerous figure of all is Brian Tamaki.

She has a young family. It is not worth It. I lived with threats like that, threats to my family, being stalked having protection orders on people I had rumbles with.

It is not worth it. We had to move house every six months or so after a hit placed on my family, I will not name the gang publicly. But they have been in the news a lot lately.

We left South Auckland, moved between rentals, as advised by the Cops who gave us a choice of relocation to the South Island or advised we move frequently and keep a low profile.

Adern cannot do that, she cannot move around all the time. And she cannot lie low.

All the American Nazi and far right groups hate the woman. Get out Jacinda.
Totally agree. While I don't prescribe to her way of delivering (probably not the right description) she at least deserves to be treated as the PM, as a mother and as someone who truly believes she can make a difference.

No problem with throwing the odd brick bat and some good old UK satire into the mix but there is a definite line when it comes to personal safety and security under which we should all, no matter of gender, race, persuasion or politics be able to enjoy a life in this country.
 

wizards rage

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Totally agree. While I don't prescribe to her way of delivering (probably not the right description) she at least deserves to be treated as the PM, as a mother and as someone who truly believes she can make a difference.

No problem with throwing the odd brick bat and some good old UK satire into the mix but there is a definite line when it comes to personal safety and security under which we should all, no matter of gender, race, persuasion or politics be able to enjoy a life in this country.
Totally agree.

But she has taken on the job and has to live with the challenges. And by challenges I don’t mean trying not to get assassinated! But I think most leaders probably have crazies saying all sorts of stuff.

Despite all the threats, I think the risk is very low. NZers are a laid back bunch, with a lot of talk and not much action. But we live in interesting times where Ardern’s policies could be seen to be ‘killing’ peoples careers, livelihoods and way of life and some of those crazy’s may hold her personally responsible for negative outcomes in their lives.

I hope she doesn’t quit because of the heat but I would understand if she did. I hope she’s very well protected at the moment. I hope we push through the next 6 months and come out the other side with Covid becoming a non issue.
 

bruce

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That evil man with his evangelical bank earner is actually loading the crowd against her in the exact same playbook as Jan 6th and he is aiming his loaded religious and antisocial fanatics at her.
Your argument is supported by what has happened overseas, and identified by Anne Applebaum.

The loony right is ignored, for being loony, but they are also deadly serious. They keep working quietly and steadily, and before you know it they are mainstream.

The same applied to Hitler. The FBI wrote him off as a nutter, with little support, in the 1920s. So they ignored him.

Anybody who saw the threat was howled down.

Tamaki is a A grade arsehole, and should have been sorted a long time ago.
 

Sup42

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Totally agree.

But she has taken on the job and has to live with the challenges. And by challenges I don’t mean trying not to get assassinated! But I think most leaders probably have crazies saying all sorts of stuff.

Despite all the threats, I think the risk is very low. NZers are a laid back bunch, with a lot of talk and not much action. But we live in interesting times where Ardern’s policies could be seen to be ‘killing’ peoples careers, livelihoods and way of life and some of those crazy’s may hold her personally responsible for negative outcomes in their lives.

I hope she doesn’t quit because of the heat but I would understand if she did. I hope she’s very well protected at the moment. I hope we push through the next 6 months and come out the other side with Covid becoming a non issue.

Kiwis don't get it.

The threat to Adern is international.

She is public enemy number one in the American White Supremacist global network.

No New Zealand prime minister has been beamed from Fox News as a dictator who is locking citizens up in detention camps.

No NZ leader has been blamed for removing the right to bear Arms.

No NZ leader has been drrawn as the heir to the great Reset, the new leader of the UN, a communist socialist threat.

And no NZ leader has been anywhere near as famous as Jacinda Adern.

You make it sound like she has a fair chance like all who have gone before her which completely ignores she is the poster child for crazy town across the planet.

She should get out. There is no point in being a martyr when you have a little girl to raise.

Her biggest crime was the way she handled CH CH. Calling out a white Australian as a terrorist and not a mentally unwell political extremist pretty much sealed her fate, wearing the hijab and being kind pretty much rubbed their noses in it.
 
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bruce

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Kiwis don't get it.

The threat to Adern is international.

She is public enemy number one in the American White Supremacist global network.

No New Zealand prime minister has been beamed from Fox News as a dictator who is locking citizens up in detention camps.

No NZ leader has been blamed for removing the right to bear Arms.

No NZ leader has been drrawn as the heir to the great Reset, the new leader of the UN, a communist socialist threat.

And no NZ leader has been anywhere near as famous as Jacinda Adern.

You make it sound like she has a fair chance like all who have gone before her which completely ignores she is the poster child for crazy town across the planet.

She should get out. There is no point in being a martyr when you have a little girl to raise.

Her biggest crime was the way she handled CH CH. Calling out a white Australian as a terrorist and not a political extremist pretty much sealed her fate, wearing the hijab and being kind pretty much rubbed their noses in it.
100% agree, and how many saw it at the time. I didn't.
 
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bruce

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Speaking about powerful women, maybe in the making, never had a proper job, nor studied for one
 

wizards rage

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Kiwis don't get it.

The threat to Adern is international.

She is public enemy number one in the American White Supremacist global network.

No New Zealand prime minister has been beamed from Fox News as a dictator who is locking citizens up in detention camps.

No NZ leader has been blamed for removing the right to bear Arms.

No NZ leader has been drrawn as the heir to the great Reset, the new leader of the UN, a communist socialist threat.

And no NZ leader has been anywhere near as famous as Jacinda Adern.

You make it sound like she has a fair chance like all who have gone before her which completely ignores she is the poster child for crazy town across the planet.

She should get out. There is no point in being a martyr when you have a little girl to raise.

Her biggest crime was the way she handled CH CH. Calling out a white Australian as a terrorist and not a mentally unwell political extremist pretty much sealed her fate, wearing the hijab and being kind pretty much rubbed their noses in it.
Previously prime ministers (and CEO’s,etc) were older, there families grown up and 100% committed to the job.

Globally (not just Ardern) there is a trend to younger family people in leadership positions where there is a lot of juggling responsibilities. Having it all.

You have to be prepared to do what’s right for your country. Not second guess yourself because you are worried you might upset extremists or put your family in danger. Does Ardern have that 1000% job commitment attitude? I don’t know if she does, but that ‘softness’ is what people relate to and makes her popular. Collins had that ‘all in’ attitude and look where it got her 🤣
 

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