General New NRL points system will produce more tries

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By: Phil Rothfield

RUGBY league fans have witnessed 600 fewer tries in matches over the last two seasons compared with a decade ago.

A combination of slower play-the balls, negative coaching, wrestling, low-risk attack and fitter athletes have contributed to the problem. In 2002 there was an average of 8.54 tries per game.
Last year it dropped to 6.82.

There has been a gradual fall for the last 10 years, although it has picked up slightly this season.
https://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/buzzwords/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/a_step_in_the_right_direction_for_nrl/
Rugby league is blessed with the incredible talent it has in today's game.
Ben Barba is a freakish player. So too are Billy Slater and Johnathan Thurston.

Cameron Smith is the greatest hooker of all time and Greg Inglis is a superstar in any era.
But the overall appeal of the game is held back by negative coaching and little innovation.
Five hit-ups and a kick. Teams taking two points for a penalty goal instead of going for a try. Time wasting.
Field position is more important than anything else. Completion rates are more important than offloads.
The emphasis is more on saving tries rather than scoring them.
So what do we do about it? It's easy to say nothing because the game has survived 100 years.
Or should we react like other sports have done and at least consider change.
Cricket would not have survived in the Test match-only format.
It needed one-dayers and now Twenty20 games to grow and appeal to the broader public.
People who have never followed or had any interest in cricket now regularly watch the interstate Big Bash.
Soccer was the same as cricket. In 1981 the English Premier League changed from two points for a win to three points.
It put more of an emphasis on scoring goals rather than playing conservatively and settling for a point from a draw.
In tennis, tie-breakers were introduced coinciding with major television coverage to stop long and boring drawn-out sets. Rugby league needs to do something too.
Traditional and rusted-on supporters will stick with the game forever, but I'm talking about growth in crowds, membership, television viewers and participation in the next 20 years.
The entire game and the competition structure need to encourage tries and attacking football.
More of our unbelievably skilful wingers spectacularly lunging over in the corners.
Earlier this year two of the sharpest minds in the game, Bob Fulton and Wayne Bennett, described the game as boring.
They blamed the wrestle and referees keeping a poor 10 metres.
My criticism at the time was that Bennett's own team played an unimaginative style of football.
Maybe it's time for the NRL to adopt rugby union's bonus points system.
We've pinched the AFL's finals format so why not look at Super Rugby.
For the point of the exercise, we've adjusted this year's premiership table after 18 rounds and used rugby union's points system (see graphic).
It favours Melbourne, Canterbury and Brisbane who have scored four or more tries 11 times.
The Cronulla Sharks slip from third on the ladder to fifth because they've only scored four tries, five times.
Anything that is going to encourage more creative and more enterprising football is worth consideration.
The rugby union system could also solve one of the game's biggest problems - golden point.
Teams that win would get three points with the loser at least getting something for finishing level after 80 minutes - one point.
The current system is dreadfully unfair - teams that get trounced by 40 points get the same as a side that loses in golden point.
No one wants cricket scores but coaches need to be encouraged to attack rather than defend.
Get rid of the wrestling coaches and put more people like Andrew Johns, Cliff Lyons, Phil Blake, Laurie Daley and Matty Johns on skills coaching.
The overall mindset of the game and the way its coaches think needs to change and that way we'll get our 600 tries back.
* * *
THE HIGHLIGHT
Ben Barba’s length-of-the-field try against Parramatta on Friday night was as special as anything we’ll see this season.
THE LOWLIGHT
Having to sit through another Broncos Friday night game. It’s so unfair on other clubs but the NRL refuses to do anything about it.
KEARNEY'S CALL
Fuifui Moimoi took no part in Friday night’s game after being floored and concussed in a questionable Sam Kasiano tackle from the kick-off. Eels coach Stephen Kearney made a good point that there should be an 18th man to cover for players knocked out of the game when the incident is serious enough to go on report.
EAGLE REST
Manly’s poor performance against the Knights can be put down to the fact half the side was suffering from the flu and they were without the Stewart brothers and Steve Matai. Just watch them bounce back against the Bulldogs on Friday night.
THURSTO WORK
No wonder Penrith are chasing Johnathan Thurston because they’ll never make the finals with Luke Walsh and
Travis Burns in the halves positions.

Link news.com.au

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While I acknowledge this subject was partially touched upon in the Golden point thread, this article raises a few new points. I hadn't really thought about the average number of tries per game, but there's obviously been a steady decline. League isn't in danger of becoming dominated by FG's/penalty goals, but I think it's worth looking at.

Secondly, as a converted Union fanboi, I actually like the idea of that extra little incentive to score tries, and a little reward for a close loss. Mainly because of the position it puts us in that converted ladder (10 matches with >/= 4 tries). I don't think we'll necessarily ever see it, but I dunno, there's something appealing about mixing things up a bit and adding a couple more avenues. Perhaps that's just because the nerd side of me likes sitting down and looking over various possible outcomes, especially as we get to the pointy end of the season.

Anyway, thoughts?
 
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Not a fan of bonus points, or getting points for losing by less than x etc. Makes it too much like super 15.
 
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Rugby League is hardly struggling for an audience. Crowd numbers are good, a stellar new TV deal is about to be signed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
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Not a fan of bonus points, or getting points for losing by less than x etc. Makes it too much like super 15.

Well, do you dislike the scoring system because of the system itself, or do you dislike it because it's used in Union? I actually like it, yes the current system is simple....but it's all or nothing. And there are constant complaints from players/coaches/fans about how so many matches come down to the wire and the are literally decided by one bad call etc. I don't think providing a little reward (to teams like the Warriors who played in a great FNF game) is necessarily a bad thing. The counter argument is that if you lose then you don't deserve anything, which is difficult to argue against.
 
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I like the golden point option giving a reward for being good enough to be level at fulltime. the rest is no good. i dont like the fact that a team could score 4 tries and lose by less than 6 and get the same points as a team good enough to make it to golden point and lose. often simple is best. you shouldnt reward teams for losing regardless of how well they played. i dont believe the points system in super rugby encourages more attacking play either. perhaps instead of looking for incentives, look at the rules that have been bought in that make it harder for teams to score trys. like the interchange being extended to 10. has meant less tired/fatigued players on the field and less chance for the smaller, skillfull players to work their magic. drop the interchange to 6 and see how many trys get scored.
 
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I don't really like the idea of bonus points. The thought of teams being higher up on the ladder and yet haven't won as much games as some of the teams below them annoys me.
 
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I don't really like the idea of bonus points. The thought of teams being higher up on the ladder and yet haven't won as much games as some of the teams below them annoys me.
it will be fine until the warriors make the 8 on bonus points yet have won less games than the other team in 9th. only then will it be an issue.
 
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it will be fine until the warriors make the 8 on bonus points yet have won less games than the other team in 9th. only then will it be an issue.
Which is one of the reasons why it annoys me 'cause we normally score 3-4 tries a game and lose anyway so I can see us getting heaps out of the bonus points
 
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can't have a reward for losing, it's just wrong and devalues the win in my opinion.

Winning is everything.
 
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I agree. On a side note is that you tell your students? Because I thought it was about having fun, lol.
I tell them to aspire to personal excellence.

I see no positives in rewarding a team for a close loss, the reward should be the win.
 
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I tell them to aspire to personal excellence.

I see no positives in rewarding a team for a close loss, the reward should be the win.
The overall prize the teams want is the trophy. At this stage the team that wins the most games...er, win's the trophy. But if the rules change, then there is more ways of "winning" the trophy.

btw I've always been an achieve it with merit kind of guy.
 
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This is the essence of my opposition.

On grand final day the only reward is the win.
If a team that won less games made the 8 ahead of my team but did it on the back of more bonus points and actually won less games, which is totally possible, I would be livid.

On grand final day the winner gets the biscuits, it should be the same in the regular season.
If you lose by 1 or by 50 doesn't matter... you weren't good enough.

The issue started with golden point and the lack of balls that refs have to penalise someone.
Grow some nuts refs and blow the whistle and then people will learn to play properly or they lose.
 
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Well, do you dislike the scoring system because of the system itself, or do you dislike it because it's used in Union? I actually like it, yes the current system is simple....but it's all or nothing. And there are constant complaints from players/coaches/fans about how so many matches come down to the wire and the are literally decided by one bad call etc. I don't think providing a little reward (to teams like the Warriors who played in a great FNF game) is necessarily a bad thing. The counter argument is that if you lose then you don't deserve anything, which is difficult to argue against.
I dislike the system due to the point scoring system rather than it being used in Union. At the end of the day a loss is a loss whether it be by 2, or 20. I was simply referring to union as there aren't many leagues in the world where you actually get rewarded for having a 'close loss'. We had close games against melbourne, though the score did not reflect this. At the end of it, we would still have come away from it with a zero next to our game. I just dont like the idea of making the ladder complex, i dont think its broken at all. Its simple, easy for people to understand. I would hate for a system to be implemented where players were told 'lose by less than 6 and we make the playoffs, if the scenario did eventuate'. Winning is everything. Losing by a lesser amount and gaining something from it should never come into the equation.
 
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League is such a good game because it's pretty basic and easy to understand, that includes the scoring system, the points system for a win/loss, even the finals systems are
simple. Once the rules, scoring or points systems start being messed with, you get the joke that is rugby union. League is the best game in the world because of what it is
right now....those basics i mentioned dont need to be improved....in my opinion.
 
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we need something cause golden point is sheet, I like the idea of removing a player every minute, creating more space on the edges and bring it back to who scores the last try wins.
 
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we need something cause golden point is sheet, I like the idea of removing a player every minute, creating more space on the edges and bring it back to who scores the last try wins.
We don't need to change anything.

Golden point is perfectly fine as long as the refs are strong enough to blow their whistles.
 
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We don't need to change anything.

Golden point is perfectly fine as long as the refs are strong enough to blow their whistles.
but it''s hard for the refs to blow a penalty in golden point. and as soon as the team gets to the 30 the kick goes up.
 
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but it''s hard for the refs to blow a penalty in golden point. and as soon as the team gets to the 30 the kick goes up.
I don't understand that logic at all.

Blow. The. Whistle.

Not hard at all in my opinion.

The teams will soon learn not to give away penalties in gp.
 
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I am totally in Danpatmac's corner on this one.

Golden point is fine, the refs are what is broken. The rules are the rules. If its a penalty, blow it, if not, leave it.

The only people who really have a problem with Golden Point are the coaches, players and fans of losing teams. I love the tension of Golden Point, I don't care how it is won, as long as the scorer wins immediately. Far better than 10 minutes extra time.

Don't touch our points system. It works perfectly. No losing team should get a reward. The idea that a team who keep in touch or score 4 tries have the ability to knock a low scoring winning team out of the finals is so wrong.

The table does not need to be tampered with. The are many other things in league that need to be sorted. I love a good tight game, but don't think the losers should be rewarded. The boring teams who do everything right deserve to be in the finals. Defence wins games, and that should continue, otherwise why not remove 4 or 6 players from the field and play 9s or 7s.
 
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