Internationals Nathan Fien Grannygate

[Northern_Union]

ahhh yes, Mogsen Jagwat.

 

[AmeriKiwi_old]

This thread is quickly turning into lamegate.

 

[Northern_Union]

This thread is quickly turning into lamegate.

Acording to deepthroat?

 

[Jesbass_old]

ahhh yes, Mogsen Jagwat.

I don't remember Mogsheen jadwat sending Ali off the field, but I do remember him joking at half time about incorrectly awarding our opposition a penalty during a match.

 

[Northern_Union]

this is one of the main reasons he was demoted to premier grade and eventually quit

 

[Jesbass_old]

this is one of the main reasons he was demoted to premier grade and eventually quit

I thought he was sacked?

 

[Northern_Union]

eventually he was yes.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

Heard about it, but don't remember it

 

[milcr_old]

Grannygate first came into the public arena through former All Black Shane Howarth playing for Wales, because he had a 'grandmother' who was Welsh.

 

[Northern_Union]

And wasn't there another Kiwi playing for Wales at the same time as Howarth that had claimed heritage but infact wasn't eligable?
Singleton or something?

 

[PB_old]

From Stuff

By John Coffey in The Press.

A New Zealand rugby league convener of selectors will be appointed to ensure there is no repetition of the Nathan Fien eligibility debacle.
But the man charged with the task of delving into the often murky world of dual international eligibility will not be named until the New Zealand Rugby League (NZRL) directors meet again in early February.
The task of finding the convener has largely fallen into the lap of former international and Warriors coach Tony Kemp, one of two recent additions to the NZRL board.
NZRL chief executive Peter Cordtz said yesterday that Kemp will this weekend announce two people from outside the board to sift through prospective candidates.
They will recommend their choice at a board meeting on February 2.
Cordtz said the convener would not have any voting rights but would be attached to the panels selecting the Kiwis, New Zealand A and Junior Kiwis teams.
"When a player comes on the radar of the selectors, the convener will be asked to check out his credentials," said Cordtz.
The affair involving the Australian-born Fien erupted after his second appearance for the Kiwis, when it was found he was not eligible through the grandparent rule.
Selwyn Bennett, the then NZRL chairman, took responsibility for the blunder and resigned.
The Kiwis lost two Tri-Nations points from a win over Great Britain but still managed to contest the final against Australia.
Ironically, Warriors hooker Fien will be available for re-selection after the 2007 NRL season when he qualifies under the three-year residency rule.
Many Australian-born players are now eligible for the Kiwis because their parents were part of the trans-Tasman migration of New Zealanders during the 1980s. Others were born in this country and went to Australia with their families as youngsters or were signed by Australian clubs as juniors.

 

[PB_old]

Nice to know that there was someone checking that out for them... oh, hang on. :roll:

All looks like PR damage control to me.

 

[Jesbass_old]

Nice to know that there was someone checking that out for them... oh, hang on. :roll:

All looks like PR damage control to me.

Perhaps. Or a genuine attempt to put a huge plug in a gaping hole.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

It really just continues to highlight the problem in that area. Why bother when the damage was done? Sure it's nice to know they are trying to make 'some' kind of an effort

 

[Jesbass_old]

It really just continues to highlight the problem in that area. Why bother when the damage was done? Sure it's nice to know they are trying to make 'some' kind of an effort

I don't follow - why bother what? Why bother to fix it, do you mean?

 

[PB_old]

Nice to know that there was someone checking that out for them... oh, hang on. :roll:

All looks like PR damage control to me.

Perhaps. Or a genuine attempt to put a huge plug in a gaping hole.

Perhaps on that too, JB. Was it Daniel Anderson who started the drive (or at least the publicly acknowledged one) to recruit eligible players abroad when he became national coach? Someone can confirm that, as I can't recall.

They've been looking for who fits the rules and recruiting accordingly. Fien - and I think we all acknowledge this - wasn't 'a gap'. It was an intentional breach. Hence why I see this as a PR move.

I will give them a pass for communicating it, though.

 

[playdaball_old]

Frank Endacott started the trend of getting Aussie/Kiwis, with the likes of Tyran Smith, Richard Swain, Cayless Bros etc.

 

[scottyb_old]

personally i have a different point of view from most of you here. I was born in queensland but raised in nz from the age of 3 i moved back to oz as an adult. My passport says i'm an aussie my heart says i'm a kiwi. If i was given the choice of playing for oz or nz i would choose nz 365 days of the year every year. but i understsand other peoples view ie karmicheal hunt who moved to oz as a child, u have to follow your heart. In my heaert i am a kiwi and nothing will change that. but the residency rules will always over rule that for those who want to take advantage of it and want to play international football. Until the day they say your plavce of birth is the country you play for then there will always be people who take advantage of the laws to further there representative career. BUT in all honesty from what i have read i think nathan fien genuinely wants to represent the kiwi's coz he feels a genuine bond with the country and i applaud that. If Fien gets chosen again through residency rules i will be happy to accept him as a kiwi.

my reasoning is that until you are in his shoes you cant really judge how passionate he is to the cause, my experience tells me he is genuine in his passion to play for the kiwi's and i would be happy to see him wear the black and white

but untill they change the rules we have to accept that there will always be people on both sides of the tasman who will take advantage of it to better there own cause

 

[aussie_warrior_old]

Zoo Weekly's Un-Australian of the Year Top Ten for 2006

1. Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali for his comments comparing immoderately dressed women to meat.

2. Germaine Greer for her anti-Steve Irwin comments following his death.

3. Paul Hogan for having "too much plastic surgery".

4. Lara Bingle for encouraging Poms to come to Australia... and failing.

5. Rio Tinto for sacking workers who looked up internet porn at work.

6. Bowls Australia for banning alcohol during tournaments.

7. Guus Hiddink for deserting the Socceroos for more money in Russia.

8. Paul Dundon of Direct Health Solutions who checks workers on sickies are genuinely sick.

9. Shane Warne for suggesting he might coach the English Cricket side.

10. Nathan Fien for lying that his grandmother was born in New Zealand so he could play for its national rugby league team.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

Haha that's quite funny. Esp the Shane Warne one.