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Brown aboard as new coach
Richard Becht & Photosport.nz
Sat 8 Aug 2020, 11:59 AM

Vodafone Warriors CEO Cameron George has today confirmed the vastly-experienced Nathan Brown as the club’s new head coach.

The 47-year-old former St George Illawarra and Newcastle coach has been secured on a three-year deal to the end of the 2023 NRL season.

“We couldn’t be more delighted to have Nathan as our new head coach,” said George.

“He has had an extensive involvement in the game as both a first-grade player and then as a coach in the NRL and the Super League.

“He already has a relationship with our players, football staff and our club after being with us as a coaching consultant working with our hookers this season.

“Nathan’s a terrific person who brings tremendous qualities to the role in every sense.”

Brown has a career total of almost 450 matches coaching NRL clubs St George Illawarra and Newcastle as well as Huddersfield and St Helens in the English Super League. As a hooker, he made 172 first-grade appearances for St George and St George Illawarra before becoming an NRL coach at the age of 29.

“I’m a career coach. I just love coaching and this job with the Vodafone Warriors is a fantastic opportunity,” he said.

“I spent time in Auckland during the preseason and was really impressed with the whole set-up, the players and the staff throughout the organisation.

“The Vodafone Warriors are hugely important to the competition. We’ve seen that this year with the sacrifices they’ve made to keep the NRL going. I can’t wait to get stuck in.”

During his playing career, Brown played in three grand finals in 1993, 1996 and 1999.

After coaching St George Illawarra for six seasons, he spent six seasons in the Super League where he took the Huddersfield Giants to the Challenge

Cup final and guided St Helens to grand final success over Wigan in 2014.

NATHAN BROWN
Born: July 31, 1973
Birthplace: Maclean, New South Wales
Coaching Career:
Club:
St George Illawarra Dragons coach 2003-2008


 

Billy Teets James

1st Grade Fringe
Mar 12, 2016
1,972
Perth, Australia
Brown getting absolutely destroyed online forums over this. Pretty ugly read.

To me it’s more an issue with the medical team, as a coach if you’re being told that he’s fine to play but he doesn’t want to play, then you’re gonna end up in a messy situation.
Which makes recruiting players twice as hard for us now i reckon.
No one wants to play for a guy who don't give 2 fucks about your health.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
19,145
Well, if you're the coach and your medical staff tell you your player's okay to play, who're you going to believe?
That is exactly what is going on here.

If you are a coach you give more weighting to medical opinion, it is why you employ them.

If you are a Medical staff member you listen to the patient. This Ayoub cnt did not listen to the patient, all it would take is a simple specialist referral and this situation would never have arisen.

The crazy thing about the NRL (contact sports in general) is that if Joe public suffered the types of impacts that say AFB had smash into his knee...then an ER Doctor (we say A & E excuse the American terminology it is for the un initiated) NO WAY IN HELL would an A & E specialist tell him to get on the exercise bike and try to work it off.

That call was total bullshit and why he was sidelined as long as he has been....because someone with a degree listened to a bunch of symptoms and rappidly made a decision based on WE NEED HIM BACK ON THE FIELD....excuse the caps but I have total disdain for the NRLs medical units.

Having seen Sam Tomkins picked up and back slammed with a heavy head contact with the ground, the person ministering to him was Ruben Wiki....result was Tomkins who looked heavily concussed played on.

He is another player who left the Warriors with a serious Knee injury and spilled the beans after he left...saying that he was forced to play due to the investment when really he needed an operation.

I cannot remember the actual other player that really pissed me off....someone with a broken leg that the Warriors had walk off the field after being encouraged to run it off....might have been Gerard Beale.

Anyway, Browns guilt in this scenario is a collective guilt right across the NRL.

Bottom line it this:

Medicos may have a lot of knowledge. What they do not have is Xray vision.

What they do not have, is the right to ignore pain as a symptom....one day a player will sue and I say good farkn job when that day comes.
 

Billy Teets James

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Mar 12, 2016
1,972
Perth, Australia
That is exactly what is going on here.

If you are a coach you give more weighting to medical opinion, it is why you employ them.

If you are a Medical staff member you listen to the patient. This Ayoub cnt did not listen to the patient, all it would take is a simple specialist referral and this situation would never have arisen.

The crazy thing about the NRL (contact sports in general) is that if Joe public suffered the types of impacts that say AFB had smash into his knee...then an ER Doctor (we say A & E excuse the American terminology it is for the un initiated) NO WAY IN HELL would an A & E specialist tell him to get on the exercise bike and try to work it off.

That call was total bullshit and why he was sidelined as long as he has been....because someone with a degree listened to a bunch of symptoms and rappidly made a decision based on WE NEED HIM BACK ON THE FIELD....excuse the caps but I have total disdain for the NRLs medical units.

Having seen Sam Tomkins picked up and back slammed with a heavy head contact with the ground, the person ministering to him was Ruben Wiki....result was Tomkins who looked heavily concussed played on.

He is another player who left the Warriors with a serious Knee injury and spilled the beans after he left...saying that he was forced to play due to the investment when really he needed an operation.

I cannot remember the actual other player that really pissed me off....someone with a broken leg that the Warriors had walk off the field after being encouraged to run it off....might have been Gerard Beale.

Anyway, Browns guilt in this scenario is a collective guilt right across the NRL.

Bottom line it this:

Medicos may have a lot of knowledge. What they do not have is Xray vision.

What they do not have, is the right to ignore pain as a symptom....one day a player will sue and I say good farkn job when that day comes.
Hope they haven't done this with AFB. Your knee will be right mate. Fuck surgery. Put a plaster on it lol.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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Hope they haven't done this with AFB. Your knee will be right mate. Fuck surgery. Put a plaster on it lol.
hahah oh well they already did it...."get on the bike"

Seeing a guy as hard as him grimacing on the Bike farked the tits off me...

As an ex Nurse if I saw someone showing pain who runs at brick walls I would have got him off that bike and told the Warriors idiot Physios to go fk themselves.

Pain is a warning, good medics understand this principle, pain and discomfort are two different things, if AFB belonged on that bike he would not be grimacing like he was grinding his rooted knee into the ground.

I get why they did it...no one gets a serious heavy contact injury flush impact...no twisting to the knee...

However, like I say, if you are an intuitive healer, you look at the patient and see someone struggling more than your diagnosis predicted, someone tough, and you pull back and say to yourself...this isn't right....this does not look like what I was thinking...there is something else going on here....get off the bike son.....something is wrong......
 
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bruce

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hahah oh well they already did it...."get on the bike"

Seeing a guy as hard as him grimacing on the Bike farked the tits off me...

As an ex Nurse if I saw someone showing pain who runs at brick walls I would have got him off that bike and told the Warriors idiot Physios to go fk themselves.

Pain is a warning, good medics understand this principle, pain and discomfort are two different things, if AFB belonged on that bike he would not be grimacing like he was grinding his rooted knee into the ground.
I remember Nathan Brown when he was playing for St George. He was an 80 minute hooker, in the days when a hooker was probably one of the toughest guys on the field, not a big man either.

I don't know the full story on this but in his day players put up with some horrible injuries. I remember Gary Freeman almost destroying his groin by playing for Balmain in the final series back in 1990. Geoff Toovey was another one who played when he shouldn't have, and don't mention Tommy Raudonikis.

So yes he might have been unwise but maybe I could compare him to SK who sort of expected players to put up with what he did.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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I remember Nathan Brown when he was playing for St George. He was an 80 minute hooker, in the days when a hooker was probably one of the toughest guys on the field, not a big man either.

I don't know the full story on this but in his day players put up with some horrible injuries. I remember Gary Freeman almost destroying his groin by playing for Balmain in the final series back in 1990. Geoff Toovey was another one who played when he shouldn't have, and don't mention Tommy Raudonikis.

So yes he might have been unwise but maybe I could compare him to SK who sort of expected players to put up with what he did.
Exactly so Bruce, this is the history it stems from...men playing harder rather than smarter.

I was at Eden Park for the world cup final when Wally Lewis broke both bones in his forearm.

Lewis of course came out and played the entire second half with a busted arm, he wrapped a phone book around the forearm.

I forget the Roosters players name, but he played on with a spinal fracture. A literal broken neck.

Paleaasina played on with a ruptured spleen and nearly bled to death.

The day will come that when players are injured they will have to go off and stay off. That day will be driven by court cases, that day will see much larger playing squads allowed for games.
 

Gizzyfan

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Jan 2, 2013
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That is exactly what is going on here.

If you are a coach you give more weighting to medical opinion, it is why you employ them.

If you are a Medical staff member you listen to the patient. This Ayoub cnt did not listen to the patient, all it would take is a simple specialist referral and this situation would never have arisen.

The crazy thing about the NRL (contact sports in general) is that if Joe public suffered the types of impacts that say AFB had smash into his knee...then an ER Doctor (we say A & E excuse the American terminology it is for the un initiated) NO WAY IN HELL would an A & E specialist tell him to get on the exercise bike and try to work it off.

That call was total bullshit and why he was sidelined as long as he has been....because someone with a degree listened to a bunch of symptoms and rappidly made a decision based on WE NEED HIM BACK ON THE FIELD....excuse the caps but I have total disdain for the NRLs medical units.

Having seen Sam Tomkins picked up and back slammed with a heavy head contact with the ground, the person ministering to him was Ruben Wiki....result was Tomkins who looked heavily concussed played on.

He is another player who left the Warriors with a serious Knee injury and spilled the beans after he left...saying that he was forced to play due to the investment when really he needed an operation.

I cannot remember the actual other player that really pissed me off....someone with a broken leg that the Warriors had walk off the field after being encouraged to run it off....might have been Gerard Beale.

Anyway, Browns guilt in this scenario is a collective guilt right across the NRL.

Bottom line it this:

Medicos may have a lot of knowledge. What they do not have is Xray vision.

What they do not have, is the right to ignore pain as a symptom....one day a player will sue and I say good farkn job when that day comes.

Which is why you need independent Doctors doing the HIA's at games.
 

jmb_31

Warriors Bench Player
Feb 27, 2021
59
Well, if you're the coach and your medical staff tell you your player's okay to play, who're you going to believe?
I'm referring to the berating and embarrassing of a player in serious pain who was making it obvious he was. Then the talking shit behind his back around the club
 
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gREVUS

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Exactly so Bruce, this is the history it stems from...men playing harder rather than smarter.

I was at Eden Park for the world cup final when Wally Lewis broke both bones in his forearm.

Lewis of course came out and played the entire second half with a busted arm, he wrapped a phone book around the forearm.

I forget the Roosters players name, but he played on with a spinal fracture. A literal broken neck.

Paleaasina played on with a ruptured spleen and nearly bled to death.

The day will come that when players are injured they will have to go off and stay off. That day will be driven by court cases, that day will see much larger playing squads allowed for games.
yeah read the article i linked on concussion tonight. numbers will go up, and how does that fit with expansion?
 
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Swanley

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Apr 13, 2012
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Exactly so Bruce, this is the history it stems from...men playing harder rather than smarter.

I was at Eden Park for the world cup final when Wally Lewis broke both bones in his forearm.

Lewis of course came out and played the entire second half with a busted arm, he wrapped a phone book around the forearm.

I forget the Roosters players name, but he played on with a spinal fracture. A literal broken neck.

Paleaasina played on with a ruptured spleen and nearly bled to death.

The day will come that when players are injured they will have to go off and stay off. That day will be driven by court cases, that day will see much larger playing squads allowed for games.
We lost because we couldn't decide to either play Freeman or Friend, so played both, leaving the best stand off on the bench, Shane Cooper. Who changed the game when he came on.
 
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Mr Dragon

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Jul 25, 2015
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Probably nothing because he ran for 51m & still leads the comp in line engagements. Pretty sure he'd have more defensive gripes coming from that L
Can you give me a time stamp when he ran through Melbourne, because it must of been a different game than i saw 🤣
 

mrblonde

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Apr 14, 2012
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I'm referring to the berating and embarrassing of a player in serious pain who was making it obvious he was. Then the talking shit behind his back around the club
If I get told my player's exaggerating/making things up, you can bet I'm going to be giving him grief for not putting in. To his face and behind his back.

Of course I'm going to look like a right twat if it's subsequently proven my player was in genuine bloody agony. But up until then I'm going on what my medical staff tell me. And one man's discomfort is another person's pain...

See Kiwi Legend Mark Graham as an example of that.
 

BeastMode

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Mar 7, 2015
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No one knows your body better than yourself.

All medical experts can do is assess the visual impact during the game. They cant see whats inside you or the extent of the damage without aid ie x-rays etc. They couldnt see anything wrong when he came off... its only when it started swelling up 20min later and AFB couldnt cycle was it called off...

No way AFB gets on that bike and continues to cycle if he felt it was a serious injury.

Blaming Brown or even the medical staff for this is preposterous.
 

Gizzyfan

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Jan 2, 2013
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Players react differently to injuries, we have all seen guys with high pain tolerances, and others who carry on about minor injuries. Tough for a Coach (personally I leant to the howly bag side)
 

BeastMode

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Rd 1 - 17
Rd 2 - 23
Rd 3 - 20
Rd 4 - 17
Rd 5 - 16
Rd 6 - 11
Rd 7 - 14

i’m sure most of that is from dummy half after our wing props do their hit ups on kick returns.

passing tells you nothing about play making ability

it’s offloads you want to look at
 

BeastMode

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Players react differently to injuries, we have all seen guys with high pain tolerances, and others who carry on about minor injuries. Tough for a Coach (personally I leant to the howly bag side)
You would have thought after all the sand dunes these guys climb preseason, their pain tolerance would be high

I think there’s a correlation between “pain tolerance” and those who train hard
 

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