General Lost : One Set Of Attacking Plays

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Hi we have lost a our attacking plays,
we picked up some new players and a very friendly Coach,
and our D isn't to bad,
But we seem to have lost our Attack,
Please if found return it to Mr M Elliot care of Vodafone warriors...... some sort of reward will be given.
 
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bigstu

bigstu

our D isn't too bad??????? this is the most uninspiring warriors team i have ever seen
 
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fanrrior

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We have no support play and I'm not talking about just for offloads either. Nearly every tackle of every set we have is a predictable one-off hitup. It's as if there is only three people playing at any point in time, The guy who play's the ball, the dummy-half and the guy who will take the next run. If you look at the Melbourne Storm you will find that everything is alway in motion. All the players are busy, whether it be just running as decoys, getting in position for the next play etc. Whereas for us, you know where we are going to go because the guys who won't be involved in the play are just standing flatfooted. Before we have even rolled the ball we are looking predictable and as a result, not threatening the defensive line. It doesn't help that our halves play left and right, which limits our creativity. Luckily Locke steps up as another playmaker (especially on the right) but that removes him from being able to step up as a supporter for potential offloads.

They basically look like a group of individuals rather than a team.
 
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Xfactor

We have no support play and I'm not talking about just for offloads either. Nearly every tackle of every set we have is a predictable one-off hitup. It's as if there is only three people playing at any point in time, The guy who play's the ball, the dummy-half and the guy who will take the next run. If you look at the Melbourne Storm you will find that everything is alway in motion. All the players are busy, whether it be just running as decoys, getting in position for the next play etc. Whereas for us, you know where we are going to go because the guys who won't be involved in the play are just standing flatfooted. Before we have even rolled the ball we are looking predictable and as a result, not threatening the defensive line. It doesn't help that our halves play left and right, which limits our creativity. Luckily Locke steps up as another playmaker (especially on the right) but that removes him from being able to step up as a supporter for potential offloads.

They basically look like a group of individuals rather than a team.
Extremely well said fanrrior.

You may notice the 20's play the same way.

What does this tell us?
 
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¿N. ig-mah¿

¿N. ig-mah¿

Extremely well said fanrrior.

You may notice the 20's play the same way.

What does this tell us?
the young guys will slot into first grade smoothly? Everyone was demanding that the two teams play a similar game.:)
 
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fanrrior

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Extremely well said fanrrior.

You may notice the 20's play the same way.

What does this tell us?
That we are going to have a very bleak future and that the problem lies undoubtedly with management. My memory is hazy, but would I be right in assuming the 20's were playing a relatively similar style back when Locke and company was in it? The way the team played you would think the coaches were telling them all you need in order to win a league competition is enough talent. And it would have been hard to deny that when it actually worked for them. Now that it isn't working out so well, the 20's look like a team that can only win through flukes, luck, or individual brilliance.

Since the club probably picks the cream of the crop when it comes to NZ kids rugby league, which in most cases would be kids who dominated their leagues on sheer talent/size, the problem would naturally be around before the players were even signed. It would then be the under 20's management's job to make sure that the kids adapt to the right structure/culture. If they can't do it, the kids come up to the NRL where only a few will be able to survive off their talent until their delayed development comes on par.

I suppose it also tells us that the NRL team isn't listening to their coach. As controversial a coach Elliot is when it comes to how you rate him, his teams still had a game plan. Penrith's plan was basically kick the ball, send as many people over as you need to maximize the probability of scoring. As simple/dumb as it was, it was still a plan. At the moment only a few players look like they know how to perform their role/position in the team. (Matulino, Lillyman and Lowrie).

But that's just me...
 
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Raurimu Massive

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Doesn't appear to be a lot of depth in the backline during the attacking plays does there? I see that as our major issue, especially in the opposition's 20. I just don't get why they do it, it offers very, very little and has so many drawbacks.
  • Nobody hitting the ball with momentum
  • Harder to change direction of play
  • Easy for a fast defence to disrupt
  • No chance of effective decoys
  • Harder to pass
  • Harder to catch
  • More chance of a forward pass
  • Greater chance of being offside from a kick
No wonder we're pointless in the first half and seem to rely on 'wonderplays' to cross the line.
 
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charlie bobmarley

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PASS - PAUSE - LOOK
the execution is perfect ,but is Elijah incredibly stupid or the victim of a cruel joke ? Deserving of a cameo in the next Comedyfest.
 
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mt.wellington

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Matty Johns on why we are cellar dwellers right now...

WARRIORS

Thomas Leuluai is not an NRL half. He is an outstanding dummy-half, but not capable of threatening a quality defence at first or second receiver.
Poor pass selection, erratic form and a propensity to defensively collapse when fatigued are also weighing them down.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...gue-of-their-own/story-e6freuy9-1226623822725

OUCH!!!
 
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shuffle

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Matty Johns on why we are cellar dwellers right now...

WARRIORS

Thomas Leuluai is not an NRL half. He is an outstanding dummy-half, but not capable of threatening a quality defence at first or second receiver.
Poor pass selection, erratic form and a propensity to defensively collapse when fatigued are also weighing them down.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...gue-of-their-own/story-e6freuy9-1226623822725

OUCH!!!

Yeah I wonder if they will give Harry Seijka a go. Man, imagine if Elijah Taylor got given a go. That will really kill momentum! I cant believe he was considered to be in the halves for the test match!
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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Yeah I wonder if they will give Harry Seijka a go. Man, imagine if Elijah Taylor got given a go. That will really kill momentum! I cant believe he was considered to be in the halves for the test match!
Big fan of Taylors and dont want to judge him before he's had a go but thats one fucked proposition! Shaun Johnson is also got a little injury cloud so theres the slim chance it may just happen. God help us!!!
 
Blain

Blain

Elijah Taylor, must be the most over hyped nothing man in league. Seriously, I cant see what everyone in the media see's in him when watching us play. If he is great off the park, awesome. But when he is on the field, he is deadset average and at the end of the day, that's what he should be based on. All I see is a couple stupid little dummys to no one then a Luck like hit up. On Defence he is ok, but not big or strong enough in the tackle to make him a great tackler.

If they were to drop TL (dont think they would), it would have to be right out of the team. Godinet is our one spark, and Friend is a fantastic workhorse.
 
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Danpatmac

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Elijah Taylor is nice young man and a moderate rugby league player.

He has not shown any prowess on attack in his time as a back rower or hooker (dear god).

The idea that he would be able to be a test half is ludicrous.

He would be well down the line of players in that squad alone who would be preferred if I was the coach.

He is also a penrith man now in my eyes. I feel no loyalty to him
 
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Raurimu Massive

Raurimu Massive

I think ET has potential in the second row. Being strong, but not that tall, he could easily start to lift guys off their feet to halt momentum. Not a fan of his silly step on his hit-ups, but I like the kid as a player apart from that.
 
wallacenz

wallacenz

I think ET has potential in the second row. Being strong, but not that tall, he could easily start to lift guys off their feet to halt momentum. Not a fan of his silly step on his hit-ups, but I like the kid as a player apart from that.
I tend to agree. In the 2nd row or lock he has potential. He needs to run hard and tackle with more aggression. In the first game of the season he came out defending with some ferosity and looked like a real 2nd rower, unfortunately he was playing hooker
 
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Sup42

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The attack problem has been around since Anderson was sacked.

We could attack from all over the park under him.

Ivan reduced it to kick to Manu and the secound rower secound man play thing.

I think we lack the good stuff right now because of the dropped ball.

Every time they do that or give away penalties they have to go back and reset.

The pattern is to settle into a game then start applying the attacking plays from training.

We never settle....there is no building phase in the game which in turn means no building and perfecting over a season.

When you drop the ball the coach has to tell the team to go back to focusing on completion....keep it simple.....after a few revolutions of that mentality you set yourself to afford a bit of flair....we never get to third base....the Warriors are contented kissing their Prom dates and coping a feel....heading home to toss off about it and not much else.
 
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Raurimu Massive

Raurimu Massive

I think we lack the good stuff right now because of the dropped ball. Every time they do that or give away penalties they have to go back and reset.
That's why I'm still clinging to some hope and don't rate this team as badly as some others have done here. That problem is something that's pretty easily remedied imo.

We just need to stop panicking if we turn over possession. Don't try and make up for some mistake by attempting some low-percentage play that is inclined to result in another turnover. Settle in for couple of solid sets with good metreage, and before you know it we've got momentum back. That's pure and simple what went wrong against the Raiders. Bad passes, dropped balls, refs' calls, etc are always going to happen to us and every other team. It's what the team does and the players' mindsets straight after those incidents that makes the difference.

We've showed that when we do settle into solid play, we really do have the goods - some really good sustained patches in some games, and some of them against teams in great form. Whenever we feel the need to "step up" in performance, whether to rectify mistakes or because of form, whether individually or as a team, we invariably move away from the structure that coaches try so hard to attain. When we move away from a structured base in our play, we end up with performances like the second half of the game in Canberra.
 
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Gizzyfan

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That's why I'm still clinging to some hope and don't rate this team as badly as some others have done here. That problem is something that's pretty easily remedied imo.

We just need to stop panicking if we turn over possession. Don't try and make up for some mistake by attempting some low-percentage play that is inclined to result in another turnover. Settle in for couple of solid sets with good metreage, and before you know it we've got momentum back. That's pure and simple what went wrong against the Raiders. Bad passes, dropped balls, refs' calls, etc are always going to happen to us and every other team. It's what the team does and the players' mindsets straight after those incidents that makes the difference.

We've showed that when we do settle into solid play, we really do have the goods - some really good sustained patches in some games, and some of them against teams in great form. Whenever we feel the need to "step up" in performance, whether to rectify mistakes or because of form, whether individually or as a team, we invariably move away from the structure that coaches try so hard to attain. When we move away from a structured base in our play, we end up with performances like the second half of the game in Canberra.

All very well in looking at star players. At the end of the day the team performance has to be lifted by the majority of the players we have there and for the next few years. There is some positivity needed to be instilled in the squad. 4 of the 6 games this year are quantem leaps ahead of the 4 best of the last 6 last year. That is with mostly the same team. I, like everybody else has been banging on about guts, pride etc and forgetting that this is a team down on confidence. We have all been there, mistakes seem worse when you are out of form and confidence and affect team performance more. We are banging on about losing to Canberra in the last minutes after defending their arses off the whole second half and losing to a kick because they couldn't break the defence with a 7-1 penalty count and about 7 dropped balls (I still say some were unpenalised strips). No one goes there flowing with confidence. Taking it all into account it is unfair to call it a lame surrender.

Truthfully, I think it will be a stretch to make the 8, next year different. I think that ME is on the right path and things will improve as injured players are available for selection, particularly players that can instil a bit of variation to the norm like Sam Louisi. As so well put above as the confidence returns so will the completed sets and attacking confidence. Small steps.
 
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Brother Faisal

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Just my thoughts on it. As my whole time as a warriors fan and watching the boys over the years the warriors have never had great execution plays, off the cuff play we were the best, jungle ball all that stuff they use to call us but we never had great running lines and i think that in part to how we play rugby league at a grassroots level. like fanrrior said nz league is based much on size and bowling people over, that same formula is used in the u20's which is a way of winning given the size difference of our boys to most other u20's, when they won back to backs it gave us the feeling that our juniors are great but as mentioned they arent taught the skills to go straight into the nrl. Secondly i just wanna say stacey jones wasnt a really play at the line type half he would look to do more inside pass and dummy or something, magic nonetheless but just not really well thought out attacking plays, not blaming him but his style plus average backs over various seasons excluding meli and toops in 02-03 and up till now we still play telegraphed football. i dont think until we sign a carney or cronk will that change.
 
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