General Lifestyle - Aus Vrs Nz? Would You Move?

Mr Frank White

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It's simple, it's just because its auckland.

That is a massive factor. Many of the Aussies I have spoken to are amazed NZ has Colour TV and indoor plumbing.
There is a great deal of misinformation in Australian culture about just how 'backward' NZ is... I'm not surprised players don't want to come here.

Also, Sydney has a plethora of incredibly hot girls... we do not have this.

As a 50/50 kiwi/Aussie who spent 25yrs in NZ and is back n oz, I'll share a wee secret. NZ is a fkn shit hole.The scenery is nice as is a LOT of people but in general it's crap.
Low wages combined with ultra high living costs, surrounded by an ignorant populace wrapped up in either drinking, or getting ahead at anothers expense.An entire country that's functionally illiterate in terms of economics and politics.

What is worse is kiwis accept it. I transferred with the company I work for, same position and got a $10AUD an hr payrise. Madness.
 
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Hitman82

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As a 50/50 kiwi/Aussie who spent 25yrs in NZ and is back n oz, I'll share a wee secret. NZ is a fkn shit hole.The scenery is nice as is a LOT of people but in general it's crap.
Low wages combined with ultra high living costs, surrounded by an ignorant populace wrapped up in either drinking, or getting ahead at anothers expense.An entire country that's functionally illiterate in terms of economics and politics.

What is worse is kiwis accept it. I transferred with the company I work for, same position and got a $10AUD an hr payrise. Madness.

Very subjective. You can't really generalise an entire country's culture and lifestyle to that degree. My lifestyle here is great and although I could earn (+20%ish) more in Australia, I would never live there. I simply dislike the place, having spent large amounts of time over the ditch in the past. In general, I'd much rather live in New Zealand. If people such as yourself prefer to live in Australia, that's great. It means less people on the road.
 
Mr Frank White

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Very subjective. You can't really generalise an entire country's culture and lifestyle to that degree. My lifestyle here is great and although I could earn (+20%ish) more in Australia, I would never live there. I simply dislike the place, having spent large amounts of time over the ditch in the past. In general, I'd much rather live in New Zealand. If people such as yourself prefer to live in Australia, that's great. It means less people on the road.
You say subjective, but care to point to ANY high wage, low cost areas of NZ to live in, why buying a house is on average more than 100% of the average wage & 175% of the median and why with almost 1/4 of the population lock overseas, an amount higher than ever before, there is record poverty & unemployment in NZ?
 
Blain

Blain

Your interpretation of a country can be the complete oppisite of someone elses. If you grew up in Gore as a labourer, then moved to Sydney, of course you're gonna prefer Aus.

The attraction of a league player to come here is the lower NZ dollar, but the salary cap stays the same. This means your dollar goes alot further than if you lived in Aus.

BTW, alot of people go to Oz to "get ahead", due to the higher wage. I have a good job here, getting a good wage which allows me to live a good life, and save comfortably to afford a new house. Life is what you make of it..

But ffs this is a league forum about a NZ team, let's discuss league not NZ!
 
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OMG

As a 50/50 kiwi/Aussie who spent 25yrs in NZ and is back n oz, I'll share a wee secret. NZ is a fkn shit hole.The scenery is nice as is a LOT of people but in general it's crap.
Low wages combined with ultra high living costs, surrounded by an ignorant populace wrapped up in either drinking, or getting ahead at anothers expense.An entire country that's functionally illiterate in terms of economics and politics.

What is worse is kiwis accept it. I transferred with the company I work for, same position and got a $10AUD an hr payrise. Madness.

You just described Ozzie too bud, ultra high living costs here, 5 times as many ignorant people wrapped up in drinking and 10 times as many getting ahead at another's expense, profiteering is rife and you want to talk politics, The current Government has blown nearly every initiative they have put in place and are still polling at 40%WTF.
The national broadband network is a prime example of Australian intellect- They are trying to replicate Asian fibre roll outs so that the lines are controlled by one company, problem being they aren't regulating it like the Asians countries do, which will lead to a near doubling of internet costs to the subscriber just to bring the same service just a bit faster. I'm happy with 2mbps I don't need 100mbps.
One of the really cool things they do here is subsidise the rich,because in their wisdom they decided to connect 93% of all residences in the country, it will cost the country roughly $2000 to connect Joe Bloggs, but it will cost the country in excess of $50,000 to connect the millionaire's house.
Australia's tops OECD lists for just about everything. Why does something in Australia cost you more just because you are in Australia? Apple and microsoft and a few others are before a tribunal at the moment trying to explain why their products are 20% dearer in Australia than the rest of the world.
 
Hitman82

Hitman82

You say subjective, but care to point to ANY high wage, low cost areas of NZ to live in, why buying a house is on average more than 100% of the average wage & 175% of the median and why with almost 1/4 of the population lock overseas, an amount higher than ever before, there is record poverty & unemployment in NZ?

Very subjective. You cannot just spout a heap of stats and say we would all be better off living in Australia. It's all about weighing up the various factors in the individuals' lifestyles. I'm not a political/economical stats person and for good reason - I am very happy with my life here in NZ.

I have a standard university degree and work in Wellington Central and own a nice house in Ngaio. I bought it when I was 28, on my own back not in a partnership. I will pay it off before I am 45. My family live in Wellington and in Auckland, a $50 plane flight away. There is nobody unemployed or poverty-stricken in my family. Indeed, all my friends have jobs and enjoy living here. The only people I know who moved to Australia or Britain did so because of personal reasons... relationship breakups, they wanted to explore, do the OE, meet distant relatives, simply the want for something new, etc.

You say you are half Australian, so I will assume you have family and friends there and can tolerate the vile accent (jks). Perhaps you simply wanted something different, and figured hey I can earn a few bucks more (it'd take a lot more than $10 AUD per hour to get me to leave NZ) and enjoy the beach and chill with my family. That's entirely logical and I applaud you. I very much doubt you based your move entirely on a bunch of facts and figures.

As I said, I have spent time in Australia and in Britain. I have close family members and friends in both places. I could walk into jobs in England or Australia at a considerably higher salary than I currently earn. But I much prefer it here. I like the climate, I like the people, I enjoy my job, I like the landscapes and enjoy the culture.

Just out of interest, since you are making a big deal of the respective unemployment rates:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/8538521/Surprise-jump-in-Australian-unemployment
Australia's jobless rate rose to 5.6 per cent in March - the highest for 3½ years - following a surprise leap in employment the previous month.
Full-time jobs fell 7400 while part-time employment dropped 28,700, Bureau of Statistics data released this morning showed. The loss of jobs was driven by falls in part-time positions for men and full-time positions for women.
The participation rate fell to 65.1 per cent, from 65.3 per cent in February.
At the same time, the aggregate monthly hours worked dropped by five million to 1627.3 million hours.
vs:
https://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/unemployment-rate
Unemployment Rate in New Zealand decreased to 6.90 percent in the fourth quarter of 2012 from 7.30 percent in the third quarter of 2012. Unemployment Rate in New Zealand is reported by the Statistics New Zealand. Historically, from 1985 until 2012, New Zealand Unemployment Rate averaged 6.29 Percent reaching an all time high of 11.20 Percent in September of 1991 and a record low of 3.50 Percent in December of 2007.

I gotta be honest. I am not a stats guy, but that doesn't look so dire.

The definition of poverty is a contentious one. But, according to a late 2012 survey by the Australian Council of Social Service, 1 in 8 Australians was considered to be living in poverty. Doesn't exactly sound like the land of wine and honey to me.
 
Gizzyfan

Gizzyfan

You say subjective, but care to point to ANY high wage, low cost areas of NZ to live in, why buying a house is on average more than 100% of the average wage & 175% of the median and why with almost 1/4 of the population lock overseas, an amount higher than ever before, there is record poverty & unemployment in NZ?

Living in Melbourne since 2011, when I first got here I got angry when I saw how cheap people here can buy NZ dairy products, nearly half price, exchange rate doesn't cover it. Petrol $1.38 a litre today. Aus prices change all the time NZ doesn't . Why is that. Corporates are ripping Kiwis off, Fonterra and crew only care about the bottom line and appear to rort Kiwis to maximise their profits. Not to mention no GST on essential foods. As far as Politics go it doesn't really matter who is in power in NZ, it is just groundhog day. If Fonterra is happy, the Government is happy.

Wages don't bear comparison, I went up 20K Aus over the space of a weekend. My wife misses NZ but admits she feels safer here generally (we shifted over from Palmy North). Schools are in the main, excellent. Most of the intimidatory basketballs under the arms gorillas you see at shopping malls here tend to be young Kiwis unfortunately.

I find the average Aussie really good people. They don't have a chip on their shoulder about NZ, unlike a lot of Kiwis. They are very patriotic and will support their teams unreservedly, as long as they are giving a go. I can only really speak about Melbourne but I have found people really welcoming. They are really respectful of things like ANZAC day and Armistice day. I was in Collins Street in centre of Melbourne on the 11/11 at 11.00am and you could have heard a pin drop. Last year at Warriors Storm game during the Last Post everyone stood and we had to hear this dickhead screaming in a Kiwi accent 'Fuck this shit, it's history, get on with the game'. Embarrasing, luckily he was wearing a Storm jersey (lots of Kiwis support Storm here). We have bought a house here, we will go home one day, when, who knows.

Just a thought, what would the unemployment rate be in NZ if we all went home. The NZ Government might be happy for my kids to grow up in poverty, I am not.
 
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Aussie isn't as rosy as some make out, protected by the mining bubble. I'd never seen true poverty until I moved to Australia, try living on the average wage here and your camping. 105,000 homeless.
In one of the most land locked countries in the world they now have the most expensive land.
 
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Paleaaesina2the20

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The fact is that the mining industry has carried Australia through the GFC, and it would be top 2 or 3 in the world for being able to get a decent paying job right now. Comparing it to New Zealand, NZ doesnt stack up, however New Zealand would easily be top 20 and has it far better than most of Europe.

The fact is that Fontera does have a massive affect on the New Zealand economy, we can only hope that as the off shore dairy market grows for Fontera products, the strain on the New Zealand consumer will go down.

I still think the housing market in New Zealand is the biggest problem, Auckland real estate is ridiculous and that is largely a result of the massive demand from the influx of Asians and Polynesians. The problem will continue while the demand outweighs the supply, hopefully this will balance out in the near future.
 
Qtownwarrior

Qtownwarrior

Aussie isn't as rosy as some make out, protected by the mining bubble. I'd never seen true poverty until I moved to Australia, try living on the average wage here and your camping. 105,000 homeless.
In one of the most land locked countries in the world they now have the most expensive land.

Try checking out East Hastings St in Vancouver, some mind blowing shit. People jacking up on the streets in front of the police building. More homeless then not in that area its crazy. After seeing that when you come back to this part of the world you cant help but think we have it good
 
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Last year at Warriors Storm game during the Last Post everyone stood and we had to hear this dickhead screaming in a Kiwi accent 'Fuck this shit, it's history, get on with the game'. Embarrasing, luckily he was wearing a Storm jersey (lots of Kiwis support Storm here). We have bought a house here, we will go home one day, when, who knows.
I moved here around the same time as you, and must have been sitting quite close to you at the game, because I heard that dickhead as well. Did you see the other Kiwi with his shirt off jumping on his seat with a baby on his shoulders? Everyone was just waiting for him to slip and do serious damage to that kid, he wouldn't listen when we urged him to sit down, luckily he never slipped. How embarrasing. We also had the pleasure of sitting near another group of Kiwis, and two of the girls in the group were of the opinion that Billy Slater was a c*nt and that everyone should hear about it on a regular basis.... My mrs doesn't want to go this year believe it or not.
 

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I like Australia to visit. Like any kiwi now I have 20-30 ex work colleagues and friends that have moved there. I listen with great interest over what they experience. Those that moved with a bit of moolah like it. Those that moved with little have struggled.

In my job I see many leaving but I'm seeing many coming back. Some coming back are so broke that mum or dad have had to rescue them. Their stories aren't pretty. Stories of being stonewalled out of work ( especially trade work like builders and sparkies) because they're kiwis. Sitting around with other young kiwis unemployed in brizzy leading to stuff. Some come to their senses and come home.
A good mate of mine left for the bright lights of Aussie last year. He was on about $70K here but his wife worked for AMI and so job security wasn't good. He goes to Brisbane and can't land a full time job. He finally gets one as a manager in Bunderberg ( pre floods). So he lives in Bundie mon to fri and sees his family in Brisbane in the weekends. Why????? Why would you leave NZ and do that?

The other thing I'm seeing is heaps of Aussies heading here for jobs in Chch. They tell me the mine bubble has well and truly burst and they are looking for long term work.

My advise is too a young kiwi is get a trade. Work here. Get something behind you then make a few contacts before heading to west island. A girl I know become a qualified podiatrist. In that line of work there's not much here. She works in the back towns out of Mackey. Her objective? Get more highly qualified and get the heck out. Good common sense imo
 
Jay M

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Did you see the other Kiwi with his shirt off jumping on his seat with a baby on his shoulders? Everyone was just waiting for him to slip and do serious damage to that kid, he wouldn't listen when we urged him to sit down, luckily he never slipped. How embarrasing.

Replying to this bit first: totally agree with your comment. Still not as bad as when I lived in Sydney though, was at the Eels vs Bulldogs finals game at ANZ in 2007... A Bulldogs fan carrying a baby (approx 8 mths old at a guess) provoked a group of Eels fans (after the Eels won) and started a fight with them by himself. Throwing right hand punches at them and then shielding himself using the kid in his arms... Dog act (excuse the bad pun)...

Anyway, back to the topic - I lived in Sydney for a bit over five years. Went over with work, and yes, got paid a lot more. After five years though - wanted to come home. Although we were earning more there - we were using all of our annual leave to come home and visit friends/family, go to weddings etc. And the housing costs are higher in Sydney. Other living costs are lower though.

We decided to come home because we wanted to spend more time with family and friends, and work was happy to relocate me back to NZ. Yes, not earning as much. Yes, living costs are higher. Are we happier? Yes. And that's the thing I value more.

Both countries are better to live in than the majority of places in the world. Poverty in NZ isn't as bad as poverty in Australia (from what I've seen). Poverty in other countries would be much worse than both at a guess...

I really enjoyed my life in Sydney (being 20 mins walk from ANZ Stadium helped with that)... But end of the day, I'm a kiwi, and I want my kids to be kiwis... not kiwi-aussies with a funny accent (like my nephew ;) )...

Australia is a nice play to live - but it's not home.



*EDIT* I agree with Buck too - if I was younger - I'd be looking at getting a trade vs what I currently do. I'd rather my kids get a trade than go to university in the current NZ market...
 
Paleaaesina2the20

Paleaaesina2the20

*EDIT* I agree with Buck too - if I was younger - I'd be looking at getting a trade vs what I currently do. I'd rather my kids get a trade than go to university in the current NZ market...

Absolutely, one thing the NZ govt is doing right are the trade apprenticeships they are running in Christchurch to help with the rebuild. I would strongly recommend anyone who is currently unemployed or young and not sure what they should do, to get on the govt website and grab onto one of those positions.

Since there is such a big market for it at the moment, and with all the construction etc going on you will make heaps of contacts, and learn your trade really quickly.
 
Jay M

Jay M

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Absolutely, one thing the NZ govt is doing right are the trade apprenticeships they are running in Christchurch to help with the rebuild. I would strongly recommend anyone who is currently unemployed or young and not sure what they should do, to get on the govt website and grab onto one of those positions.

Since there is such a big market for it at the moment, and with all the construction etc going on you will make heaps of contacts, and learn your trade really quickly.

Plus, with the way our population is forecast to keep increasing (especially in Auckland) - there will always be a need for builders and plumbers. I read somewhere Auckland needs 13,000-15,000 houses a year built to cope with demand/population growth, and about 3,000 houses a year are being build currently due to a shortage of builders etc...
 
tajhay

tajhay

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I dont quite understand the mindset that getting a trade is better than a uni qualification. Can someone please explain that? Longer term/ career prospects/work environment are generally better for uni grads than tradies regardless whether they live in nz or aus is it not?

As someone who left NZ in 97 and lived more of my life in Australia, i still call NZ home. However i would most likely never return to live in NZ due to a variety of reasons esp when taking career/financial reasons/nz economy's health into account.

p.s i am in the mining sector and the bubble has not burst ;)
 
Gizzyfan

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I moved here around the same time as you, and must have been sitting quite close to you at the game, because I heard that dickhead as well. Did you see the other Kiwi with his shirt off jumping on his seat with a baby on his shoulders? Everyone was just waiting for him to slip and do serious damage to that kid, he wouldn't listen when we urged him to sit down, luckily he never slipped. How embarrasing. We also had the pleasure of sitting near another group of Kiwis, and two of the girls in the group were of the opinion that Billy Slater was a c*nt and that everyone should hear about it on a regular basis.... My mrs doesn't want to go this year believe it or not.

No didn't see him mate. Hopefully one of those girls wasn't my wife, she hates Slater, however she can outswear a drover, but I don't recall her going off, we were at the front on the fence, 5 of us 2 couples and a teenage girl.. We are going the other side of the ground this year. We live in Hoppers Crossing, how about you.
 
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I dont quite understand the mindset that getting a trade is better than a uni qualification. Can someone please explain that? Longer term/ career prospects/work environment are generally better for uni grads than tradies regardless whether they live in nz or aus is it not?

As someone who left NZ in 97 and lived more of my life in Australia, i still call NZ home. However i would most likely never return to live in NZ due to a variety of reasons esp when taking career/financial reasons/nz economy's health into account.

p.s i am in the mining sector and the bubble has not burst ;)

I would say, in my completely uninformed opinion, that uni qualfications can give you better career prospects. However, the NZ culture seems to be that the done thing to do is go to uni after you finished school. Due to that there is a ridiculous number of people getting pointless (usually BA) degrees in something they're only a quarter interested in and then just get an ordinary job. They're 2-3 years on, with a huge debt, irrelevant qualifications and starting off at scratch with the high school leavers. In those cases I agree that it would be much better to get a trade.
 
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¿N. ig-mah¿

You say subjective, but care to point to ANY high wage, low cost areas of NZ to live in, why buying a house is on average more than 100% of the average wage & 175% of the median and why with almost 1/4 of the population lock overseas, an amount higher than ever before, there is record poverty & unemployment in NZ?
I live in an area most aren't keen on living in (due mostly to misinformation and snobbery), but through a slightly higher than average wage, and a wife on a similar wage, we have been able to upgrade our family home to a MASSIVE house in a semi-rural suburb that would cost 7 figures in either Auckland or Australia. The lifestyle is great, our mortgage is acceptable, we have all we want and more (only need to update the décor), but I now have a private movie theatre, massive entertainers conservatory with spa pool, huge living, large garden, endless garaging and workshop space, and am working on the sports bar/gamesroom. We are surrounded by native bush, bushwalks, farmland, the top local golf course is 400 metres from my front door, am 1.5kms from the dairy, a fish and chip shop, 2 restaurants a bottle store and a bar, as well as being a couple of hundred metres from the river and 3 or 4 kms from the beach, and even have school buses at the door. This would be unobtainable for all but the most wealthy in Australia or even Auckland.

I lived in Australia for 3 years in the mid 90s and will never return for any more than a brief holiday. I have family who have lived there for 25 years, and other family who are moving there to seek their fortune, but I have all I need here. The grass is definitely greener for me at home.[DOUBLEPOST=1366006222,1366004870][/DOUBLEPOST]
Living in Melbourne since 2011, when I first got here I got angry when I saw how cheap people here can buy NZ dairy products, nearly half price, exchange rate doesn't cover it. Petrol $1.38 a litre today. Aus prices change all the time NZ doesn't . Why is that. Corporates are ripping Kiwis off, Fonterra and crew only care about the bottom line and appear to rort Kiwis to maximise their profits. Not to mention no GST on essential foods. As far as Politics go it doesn't really matter who is in power in NZ, it is just groundhog day. If Fonterra is happy, the Government is happy.

Wages don't bear comparison, I went up 20K Aus over the space of a weekend. My wife misses NZ but admits she feels safer here generally (we shifted over from Palmy North). Schools are in the main, excellent. Most of the intimidatory basketballs under the arms gorillas you see at shopping malls here tend to be young Kiwis unfortunately.

I find the average Aussie really good people. They don't have a chip on their shoulder about NZ, unlike a lot of Kiwis. They are very patriotic and will support their teams unreservedly, as long as they are giving a go. I can only really speak about Melbourne but I have found people really welcoming. They are really respectful of things like ANZAC day and Armistice day. I was in Collins Street in centre of Melbourne on the 11/11 at 11.00am and you could have heard a pin drop. Last year at Warriors Storm game during the Last Post everyone stood and we had to hear this dickhead screaming in a Kiwi accent 'Fuck this shit, it's history, get on with the game'. Embarrasing, luckily he was wearing a Storm jersey (lots of Kiwis support Storm here). We have bought a house here, we will go home one day, when, who knows.

Just a thought, what would the unemployment rate be in NZ if we all went home. The NZ Government might be happy for my kids to grow up in poverty, I am not.

I call BS on this. That group of words has nothing that would be distinguishable between an Aussie or a Kiwi accent. Just a way to "prove" your point.

I have a workmate who visited his cousin in Melbourne last year, and he couldn't get over the crime and the danger. His cousin would not go into certain neighbourhoods because of the gangs of ethnic groups involved in "turf wars", and told him that people weren't dishing out hidings anymore, but were more likely to dish out stabbings.

The family I have living in Rockhampton in Central Queensland are doing nowhere as well as my immediate family (apart from my father who is in the mining industry but fearing for his job). The crime rate there is through the roof compared to Southland in New Zealand. Violent crime is massive over there compared to down here.

I completely agree regarding the whole Fonterra rant (I work directly with Fonterra product, but not FOR Fonterra and am also disgusted about the price of their product vs their profits), but the fact is that any company/corporation of that size in a country of this size will have far too much power, no matter who the government is (mining companies in Australia probably wield just as much power).[DOUBLEPOST=1366006745][/DOUBLEPOST]an article showing what can go wrong seeking the better life over the ditch.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8542785/Homeless-Kiwis-live-under-a-Sydney-bridge
 
mrblonde

mrblonde

Actually, what's wrong with New Zealand - or one of the things, heck no country's perfect, but... - is we seem to me to be a quite subserviant country. We appear to have a more lax immigration policy than other countries - ie lower language skill requirements, skill requirements, jobs etc. Which is fine - but if you're a New Zealander going to live in, since we're talking about it, Australia, the immigration policy is way tougher than if you're an Australian going to live in New Zealand.

Now, I'm not for a second saying that's a necessarily a bad thing - any immigration policy should keep the country's health/wealth/future first in it's mind though obviously it's a bastard for people being caught up in the new rules (but how new is 2001?) that either weren't explained loudly/long enough or that they were to arrogant/naive to make sure they knew before boarding the silver bird - but to my mind we should be as tough in other countries as they are on us.

I often get the feeling that New Zealand wants to be like Australia - due to this seeming paranoia about young people moving over there - rather than focussing on the things it's good at and, yep, okay, bummer we're losing all those people to Australia, but often they're going for things New Zealand can't offer (due to environmental conditions, luck of the draw regarding minerals and a little thing called size, econonies of scale etc) and maybe also for things that New Zealand shouldn't waste it's time trying to offer. (Back to sport for a sec - you're down 0-40 in a football match, not much point really in trying to chase that down, you've gotta find a game you're good at.)

To all the forummers living in Australia, is there the same level of concern about Australian young people going overseas that there is here about New Zealand young people going overseas?
 

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