Internationals Kiwis in UK

Hardyman's Yugo

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Jun 2, 2017
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Lancashire, England
I've had a tidy out of the garage at home and found various old RL books, some of which have articles on Kiwi's playing in UK. This includes Ian Bell, Dean Bell and Clayton Friend at Carlisle, stuff on the 1980 Kiwi tour of England and also the 1988 Auckland mini tour of England where they played 6 club sides.

If someone can explain how to size the photos properly (some of them look cropped-I'm useless at this stuff!) I'll create an album and start posting some of the pages over the next few days
 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
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I've had a tidy out of the garage at home and found various old RL books, some of which have articles on Kiwi's playing in UK. This includes Ian Bell, Dean Bell and Clayton Friend at Carlisle, stuff on the 1980 Kiwi tour of England and also the 1988 Auckland mini tour of England where they played 6 club sides.

If someone can explain how to size the photos properly (some of them look cropped-I'm useless at this stuff!) I'll create an album and start posting some of the pages over the next few days
If you're able to scan the photos, I'll PM my email address to you and you can let me know what you'd like done to them.... more than happy to help you out if I can.
 

Hardyman's Yugo

1st Grade Fringe
Jun 2, 2017
2,559
Lancashire, England
If you're able to scan the photos, I'll PM my email address to you and you can let me know what you'd like done to them.... more than happy to help you out if I can.
Will try and scan myself tomorrow night, tried uploading jpegs from a camera but the thumbnails are cropped.
Thanks for the kind offer which I may take up
 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
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Will try and scan myself tomorrow night, tried uploading jpegs from a camera but the thumbnails are cropped.
Thanks for the kind offer which I may take up
Not a problem at all.
 

dean

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Mar 13, 2016
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Interesting the link between those players at Carlisle, they all played for Manukau Rovers in Auckland. It was a very good side , I think it won a Fox Memeorial Championship in the early 80,s or late 70's. I think Cameron Bell coached both Manukau and Carlisle around this time.
 
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bruce

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I've had a tidy out of the garage at home and found various old RL books, some of which have articles on Kiwi's playing in UK. This includes Ian Bell, Dean Bell and Clayton Friend at Carlisle, stuff on the 1980 Kiwi tour of England and also the 1988 Auckland mini tour of England where they played 6 club sides.

Clayton Friends mother is a Bell, I think Cameron and Ian's sister. Ian has now passed on. Geez he was a genuine hard bastard on the field, great guy off it though. I cannot remember whether Dean was Ian's brother or a cousin or nephew. Somebody might know. They were a very talented family.
 

dean

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Mar 13, 2016
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Clayton Friends mother is a Bell, I think Cameron and Ian's sister. Ian has now passed on. Geez he was a genuine hard bastard on the field, great guy off it though. I cannot remember whether Dean was Ian's brother or a cousin or nephew. Somebody might know. They were a very talented family.

I may be wrong but thought Cameron was Dean and Ian's Dad. Was there three Bell's in that Manukau side ?
 

bruce

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I may be wrong but thought Cameron was Dean and Ian's Dad. Was there three Bell's in that Manukau side ?
My memory is hazy, but there might have been three. I remember Cameron and Ian. There was the name Dubby Bell as well from that side. Whether that was a nickname for one of them or not I don't know. Cameron is Deans father but Ian was too old, I think he was Cameron's brother. Ian made the Kiwis. I think he was the only one of the family that did apart from Dean and Clayton Friend. I think Clayton's mum was Cathy Bell. A very nice lady. She was involved with the NZRL I recall.
 

Hardyman's Yugo

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Jun 2, 2017
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Lancashire, England
My memory is hazy, but there might have been three. I remember Cameron and Ian. There was the name Dubby Bell as well from that side. Whether that was a nickname for one of them or not I don't know. Cameron is Deans father but Ian was too old, I think he was Cameron's brother. Ian made the Kiwis. I think he was the only one of the family that did apart from Dean and Clayton Friend. I think Clayton's mum was Cathy Bell. A very nice lady. She was involved with the NZRL I recall.
I don't know too much about the Bell's from their time at Carlisle, it's about an hours drive up the coast from where my parents live and in any event there was pro RL at Workington and Whitehaven to watch. Workington had Gerard Stokes and Shane Varley for a season in the early 80's, in the mid 90's Brad Hepi and a Fijian from NZ club rugby called James Pickering who was brilliant. Hepi is a bit of a legend locally. Whitehaven had Dave Watson who went on to play for the Kiwis. Stokes came back to the area as a coach, his lad now plays test cricket for England. Clayton Friend did a second stint in Cumbria with Whitehaven.
 
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mt.wellington

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Jun 21, 2012
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I don't know too much about the Bell's from their time at Carlisle, it's about an hours drive up the coast from where my parents live and in any event there was pro RL at Workington and Whitehaven to watch. Workington had Gerard Stokes and Shane Varley for a season in the early 80's, in the mid 90's Brad Hepi and a Fijian from NZ club rugby called James Pickering who was brilliant. Hepi is a bit of a legend locally. Whitehaven had Dave Watson who went on to play for the Kiwis. Stokes came back to the area as a coach, his lad now plays test cricket for England. Clayton Friend did a second stint in Cumbria with Whitehaven.
Aaron Lester left the Warriors and ended up at Whitehaven where became a club legend. Also Workington was the final port of call for Hitro Okesene who still lives in the area...
 
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Hardyman's Yugo

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Aaron Lester left the Warriors and ended up at Whitehaven where became a club legend. Also Workington was the final port of call for Hitro Okesene who still lives in the area...
Yep. I don't go much now though so a bit out of tune, lost contact with a few school mates and my Dad is in his mid 80's. Both clubs are now two divisions down from SL which is poor. West Cumbria needs a pooling of the resources and get a regional side in SL, but there are too many ingrained local rivalries for it to work ATM.
 

bruce

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I don't know too much about the Bell's from their time at Carlisle
Dean didn't hang around there for long. He spent two seasons at Carlisle 82 & 83 then went to Leeds, then the Easts (Roosters) in Sydney. He made his big name and money at Wigan after that before John Monie brought him back for the Warriors inaugural season.

Carlisle were very lucky to sign him as an unknown. He was a genuine star in Auckland.

Similarly Tawera Nikau went from a star at the Otahuhu club in Auckland to York :rolleyes: and then to Sheffield before Castleford picked him up.

It just goes to show how star talent can be overlooked.

The Auckland Fox Memorial competition before then had all the Kiwis playing. It was a very strong competition. It was around the mid 1980s that the NZRL relented and started selecting players from the English competition. Then once the Winfield Cup woke to what talent was here more and more started leaving which really affected the Auckland competition.
 

bruce

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Shane Varley for a season in the early 80's, and a Fijian from NZ club rugby called James Pickering who was brilliant.
James Pickering and Shane Varley both played for the Richmond league club in Auckland. I think that club still has the NZ record for Kiwi representatives. James later played for the Bulldogs in Sydney.
 

Hardyman's Yugo

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Jun 2, 2017
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Lancashire, England
Dean didn't hang around there for long. He spent two seasons at Carlisle 82 & 83 then went to Leeds, then the Easts (Roosters) in Sydney. He made his big name and money at Wigan after that before John Monie brought him back for the Warriors inaugural season.

Carlisle were very lucky to sign him as an unknown. He was a genuine star in Auckland.

Similarly Tawera Nikau went from a star at the Otahuhu club in Auckland to York :rolleyes: and then to Sheffield before Castleford picked him up.

It just goes to show how star talent can be overlooked.

The Auckland Fox Memorial competition before then had all the Kiwis playing. It was a very strong competition. It was around the mid 1980s that the NZRL relented and started selecting players from the English competition. Then once the Winfield Cup woke to what talent was here more and more started leaving which really affected the Auckland competition.
Bell actually played for Cumbria against the 1982 Aussies a game I was at. Pretty much a test strength Aussie side at that, Meninga, Lewis, Sterling, Pearce etc.
 
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Trugoy

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Apr 3, 2016
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I don't know too much about the Bell's from their time at Carlisle, it's about an hours drive up the coast from where my parents live and in any event there was pro RL at Workington and Whitehaven to watch. Workington had Gerard Stokes and Shane Varley for a season in the early 80's, in the mid 90's Brad Hepi and a Fijian from NZ club rugby called James Pickering who was brilliant. Hepi is a bit of a legend locally. Whitehaven had Dave Watson who went on to play for the Kiwis. Stokes came back to the area as a coach, his lad now plays test cricket for England. Clayton Friend did a second stint in Cumbria with Whitehaven.
Pickering was with the Doggies in the mid 90's and was considered at the time to be the next big thing, in particular in the 97 Super League pre-season, there was huge hype around him.
Problem was he kept getting injured and ended up playing only a handful of first grade games.
I don't recall him having a union background though, think he came up with Richmond.
I remember Brad Hepi hooking for Illawarra mid 90's, he stood out cause he was a Maori playing first grade and I'd never heard of him lol.
Dave Watson had a few stints in the Oz in the 90's. I remember him coming over mid season to the Sharks and made a bit of a name for himself at fullback, before playing for the Crushers and the Gold Coast Chargers. One of the most exciting talents on his day.
 
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Hardyman's Yugo

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Jun 2, 2017
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Lancashire, England
Pickering was with the Doggies in the mid 90's and was considered at the time to be the next big thing, in particular in the 97 Super League pre-season, there was huge hype around him.
Problem was he kept getting injured and ended up playing only a handful of first grade games.
I don't recall him having a union background though, think he came up with Richmond.
I remember Brad Hepi hooking for Illawarra mid 90's, he stood out cause he was a Maori playing first grade and I'd never heard of him lol.
Dave Watson had a few stints in the Oz in the 90's. I remember him coming over mid season to the Sharks and made a bit of a name for himself at fullback, before playing for the Crushers and the Gold Coast Chargers. One of the most exciting talents on his day.
How come the Henderson Gill avatar?
 
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Trugoy

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Apr 3, 2016
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How come the Henderson Gill avatar?
Haha. That pic is from the 3rd test in Sydney in 88 when the Brits finally beat Australia.
Henderson Gill scored a runaway in the corner and got up 'and did a little boogie' as Darryl Eastlake put it. For a league loving kiwi kid that shit was cool as!
Always loved the guys showmanship.
 
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Dave Brough

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James Pickering and Shane Varley both played for the Richmond league club in Auckland. I think that club still has the NZ record for Kiwi representatives. James later played for the Bulldogs in Sydney.
Still remember John laser and Vern Bakalich playing for Richmond.
 

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