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Tedster

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Jun 29, 2014
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Interesting article in NZ Herald today, not sure if it is old news or not. :)

League: New Zealand Rugby League review puts the spotlight on David Kidwell's odd ideas


Concerns raised included:

• The decision to spend three nights sleeping on mattresses on the floor of a marae just over a week out from the tournament.

• Having high intensity training sessions on a Thursday, around 48 hours before games in some cases, which was different to standard NRL practice and recent Kiwis traditions.

• Campaign manager Shane Richardson, hand picked by Kidwell, going home to Australia between matches during the tournament.

Kidwell rolled the dice in the build-up to the World Cup. He embraced all kinds of lateral thinking, determined to do things differently, telling the Herald on Sunday: "If you keep doing things the same way, you'll get the same result."

That even led to debate about the value of the likes of Simon Mannering to the squad, although chief selector Tawera Nikau was most vocal in that area in a misguided stance.
 

W.A warrior

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Nov 8, 2014
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Interesting article in NZ Herald today, not sure if it is old news or not. :)

League: New Zealand Rugby League review puts the spotlight on David Kidwell's odd ideas


Concerns raised included:

• The decision to spend three nights sleeping on mattresses on the floor of a marae just over a week out from the tournament.

• Having high intensity training sessions on a Thursday, around 48 hours before games in some cases, which was different to standard NRL practice and recent Kiwis traditions.

• Campaign manager Shane Richardson, hand picked by Kidwell, going home to Australia between matches during the tournament.

Kidwell rolled the dice in the build-up to the World Cup. He embraced all kinds of lateral thinking, determined to do things differently, telling the Herald on Sunday: "If you keep doing things the same way, you'll get the same result."

That even led to debate about the value of the likes of Simon Mannering to the squad, although chief selector Tawera Nikau was most vocal in that area in a misguided stance.
Seriously that was a big red flag when Nikau was questioning if Mannering would make the squad.
Showed bloody arrogance and a false sense of who these clowns thought they were, then a week later they scrambled and scrapped just to name a full squad.
 

bruce

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Sep 1, 2015
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After reading the dot points and the article there is no fucking way these muppets should get another chance to put the Kiwis back 20 years
One could get the impression that there is nobody with any brains available to the league. That isn't true, it is just that the fuckwits who get there really want the job and the good guys have got more to do with their lives than fight them.
 

playdaball

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Apr 23, 2012
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The NZRL basically gave KIDwell whatever he wanted and he failed, he should die by the sword and be sacked ( should have happened after the Fiji loss). The Kiwis can't get much worse so whoever they appoint will be an improvement.

Bennett won't come back to NZ. His mate, The Butcher, asked him pre- Xmas and the answer was,"no".

We either appoint an Aussie, a known ex Kiwi with little experience but a high profile, a local success or wind the clock back to get an ex coach.

Names such as Toovey, Maguire, Stacey, Cayless, Bluey and Blackmore (Nikau factor still there) spring to mind.
 
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playdaball

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Apr 23, 2012
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We need to go down the path of a coach not an ex player who thinks he can coach
True , where do you think KIDwell fits in out of those two categories?
 
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mt.wellington

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Jun 21, 2012
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League: New Zealand Rugby League review puts the spotlight on David Kidwell's odd ideas
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Jesse Bromwich, left, and Kevin Proctor were embroiled in an incident involving cocaine after the Anzac test in Canberra. Photo / photosport.nz

Some of the unusual aspects of the Kiwis' ill-fated World Cup campaign have come under the microscope during the recent New Zealand Rugby League review, placing more pressure on coach David Kidwell.

The review — set to be completed at the end of the month — has been charged with examining the Kiwis' performance at the World Cup, which ended with historic losses to Tonga and Fiji.

Review heads Raelene Castle and Tim Castle have interviewed players, coaching staff, team officials and other high performance personnel for the report, which will also take a wider brief to look at the running of the New Zealand Rugby League.

The Herald on Sunday understands some feedback has not reflected well on Kidwell, who is under immense pressure to keep his job following the poor World Cup performance.

Concerns raised included:

• The decision to spend three nights sleeping on mattresses on the floor of a marae just over a week out from the tournament.

• Having high intensity training sessions on a Thursday, around 48 hours before games in some cases, which was different to standard NRL practice and recent Kiwis traditions.

• Campaign manager Shane Richardson, hand picked by Kidwell, going home to Australia between matches during the tournament.

Kidwell rolled the dice in the build-up to the World Cup. He embraced all kinds of lateral thinking, determined to do things differently, telling the Herald on Sunday: "If you keep doing things the same way, you'll get the same result."

That even led to debate about the value of the likes of Simon Mannering to the squad, although chief selector Tawera Nikau was most vocal in that area in a misguided stance.

Kidwell was also focused on rebuilding the culture and environment within the Kiwis after off-field episodes marred the 2016 Four Nations campaign, before the infamous cocaine incident in Canberra involving former captain Jesse Bromwich and Kevin Proctor after the Anzac test defeat.

That led him to the idea of the extended camp at Turangawaewae Marae at Ngaruawahia, to create bonds and establish team culture, values and vision.

It was a brave but risky experiment. It meant the Kiwis were one of the few competing nations not to have a warm-up match ahead of the event, and also could have compromised preparation.


David Kidwell is under immense pressure. Photo / photosport.nz

It was far from a high performance environment, with players and staff sleeping on mattresses in one large room. Many were kept awake for long periods by snoring, with some reporting they were exhausted by the end of their stay. There were also some eyebrows raised after the first night, when some support staff decamped to a separate room downstairs.

And not all members of the Kiwis squad, with their different heritage and backgrounds, felt comfortable with the constant focus on Maori culture.

There were also concerns raised by the training schedule. The accepted pattern across professional league is heavy training sessions on Tuesday and Wednesday, followed by a rest day on Thursday, before a light session at the captain's run on Friday.

Kidwell, after briefly spending time in the All Blacks environment earlier in the year, decided on a radical change. He observed the All Blacks in heavy contact sessions on the Thursday of a game week, and decided to adapt a similar schedule, reasoning that it could give his team a vital edge.

But the decision ignored years of accepted wisdom, and the fact the codes are different. Professional athletes are also creatures of habit, often performing at their best in a familiar environment.

But the Kiwis were often doing double field sessions in a day, albeit the morning one was usually light, and some players were baffled by the heavy training on Thursdays.

Richardson's presence has also come under the microscope. Picked by Kidwell as a campaign manager, his role wasn't particularly clear.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11987716&ref=twitter
 
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Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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Feel sorry for David Kidwell.

What a disaster you see when man out of his depth reverts to Novel coaching trickery .... change for change sake.


Where I have less Sympathy is that SK offered to help.

Kearney is New Zealand's greatest international rugby league Coach ever.....he learnt that job through adversity....he is an immortal.
 

mrblonde

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Apr 14, 2012
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Auckland
I say we get an Aussie coach in but Kiwi assistants.

The Aussie coach takes care of the Big Games: England/Australia/Tonga? (assuming, nae expecting, that the Name Players who went for Tonga for the RLWC stay there)

The Kiwis assistant is trusted with any other matches.

Or do the Kiwis not have the winning record to justify that approach? Maybe not, but I don't see how else you turn an assistant into a coach - give 'em a shot/review/repeat until either they're good enough for the coach role (obviously, that might take a while over multiple assistant roles with different nations/teams), prove they're better off being an assistant (nothing wrong with that) or not good enough to be an assistant.
 

jonesy101

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Aug 28, 2016
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Ahh stop the negativity, Kidwell has done more for Pacific Island league in a year than anyone has managed in the last decade. Give him another world cup and he might be able to boost Samoa as much as he has Fiji and Tonga.
Should also give a boost to the Cook Islands and Nuie when they meet us in the tier 2 qualifiers.
 
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