Internationals Kiwi Team vs England

Jesbass_old

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For me it's not enough to be promising. You have to be a regular consistant performer.

So what if I haven't remember that game? Hard to remember brilliant games by the kiwis when on most occassions bar those very special ones we've had our arses wooped by 50+ points every time we play the Roos

All the more reason to remember the few occasions when we've really shone: 30-16 in the Centenary Test in 2003, (a 56 point turnaround from just a few months earlier), 38-28 in the opening match of the 2005 Tri-Nations, (our first win in Sydney for 46 years), and the 24-0 in the 2005 Tri-Nations final, (Australia's first non-scoring match for 20 years, Australia's first series loss for 27 years, our first series victory over Australia for 52 years, and our equal highest winning margin over Australia since beating them 49-25 in 1952).

And your question was: "when has he seriously excelled as half apart from playing in the SL???" It was a pretty simple answer.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Yeah when and as he since? Not that I've seen in this world cup. I would have expect a lot more to be honest and feel rather let down
 

Jesbass_old

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Yeah when and as he since? Not that I've seen in this world cup. I would have expect a lot more to be honest and feel rather let down

You've missed your own point. You implied that Thomas Leuluai has never excelled as a halfback outside of an ESL jersey. I've supplied an example of when he did precisely that, and the jersey just so happened to be a Kiwis one. I never said he's performed the same way at this World Cup as he did in the Centenary Test - in fact, I've openly stated that he's a weakness in this side.
 

kingdamo_old

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You've missed your own point. You implied that Thomas Leuluai has never excelled as a halfback outside of an ESL jersey. I've supplied an example of when he did precisely that, and the jersey just so happened to be a Kiwis one. I never said he's performed the same way at this World Cup as he did in the Centenary Test - in fact, I've openly stated that he's a weakness in this side.

Skinny burned!!
 

Northern_Union

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As i've stated before Thomas L was our only standout in the 2006 ANZAC hiding we took.
 

Mangi-Maori_old

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You've missed your own point. You implied that Thomas Leuluai has never excelled as a halfback outside of an ESL jersey. I've supplied an example of when he did precisely that, and the jersey just so happened to be a Kiwis one. I never said he's performed the same way at this World Cup as he did in the Centenary Test - in fact, I've openly stated that he's a weakness in this side.

Who said Skinny was making a point? Lol.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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What could make it easier for us..England have injury concerns. Heh heh. Take whatever advantage we get, eh?



Injuries concern England

04/11/2008 8:38 AM


PA Sport



https://sportal.co.nz/league-news-display/injuries-concern-england-59855




England has a major injury doubt over prop Maurie Fa'asavalu for Saturday's final World Cup group match against the Kiwis in Newcastle.
The 28-year-old Samoa-born forward, one of only four specialist front-rowers in England's 24-man squad, picked up a hand injury in his side's shocking 52-4 defeat by Australia in Sunday's pool A match in Melbourne and is awaiting the result of scans.
"He's a concern," said coach Tony Smith. "We think he may have broken a bone in his hand."
England also has worries over Fa'asavalu's St Helens club-mates Jon Wilkin, who has a facial injury, and five-eighth Leon Pryce, who took a knock to his ribs at the Telstra Dome.
But Smith breathed a sigh of relief when utility Danny McGuire, the man most likely to take Pryce's place against the Kiwis, avoided any punishment for a 'spear tackle' on Australia centre Greg Inglis when the incident was scrutinised by the World Cup match review panel.
Pryce, who was short-listed for Man of Steel after a superb season in Super League, has been disappointingly subdued in both of England's opening matches and was outplayed by McGuire in the Grand Final but Smith insists he remains firmly in his World Cup plans.
"We will monitor him over the next 24 to 48 hours and see how he goes," said Smith.
"If he's fine we will play him. If he's not, we won't risk him. We would love him in great form and hopefully he can find that form really soon."
"He probably hasn't had the best of the last few games but I am sure with a bit of confidence he will get back on top. He's very determined to get back to his best."
Smith is under pressure to ring the changes for Saturday's match, which will almost certainly be a dress rehearsal for the first semi-final in Brisbane on November 15, after England's shameful display in Melbourne.
Smith and his backroom staff had the players in for training at 8am in Melbourne on Monday and undertook a review of Sunday's game before flying up to Newcastle to prepare for the next match.
Despite the nature of England's record nine-try defeat, Smith has been able to draw positives from the sorry affair and insists the hordes of British fans will eventually have something to cheer.
"It's not the end of the world," he said. "We are a little disappointed for our fans who have travelled. It would have been nice for them."
"There was a big English contingent in Melbourne and we would have liked to have put on a better show but we are determined to get that right over the period of the tournament."
"I am sure they will be proud of us by the end of this tournament."
Smith, who lost his 100 percent record as national coach, added: "The boys are hurting. We are all hurting and that's natural when you are up against your arch enemy and you don't play as well as you can."
"You should feel that way but we will be fine by the weekend."
"Fortunately, it's a quick turnaround. We have to get into it quickly and make sure we are fully prepared for the weekend."
"It was an interesting review this morning - we only missed 19 tackles against a great team like Australia."
"That showed a lot of our defence was really good but unfortunately the
ones we missed were crucial. It shows we have to improve in a few crucial areas."
"We only had the ball for nine sets in the second half which isn't enough to beat or even compete with a team like Australia."
Last Saturday's game is meaningless in terms of qualification for the knockout stages, as long as Australia beats group minnow Papua New Guinea on Sunday, but the teams will have the chance to strike a psychological blow ahead of the semi-finals.
The Kiwis, who bounced back from their heavy defeat by the Kangaroos with a 48-6 win over the Kumuls on the Gold Coast, may also have revenge in mind following their Test series whitewash by Smith's Great Britain team a year ago.
"I don't know whether last year's Test series is going to be their motivation," said Smith.
"They are a good team with a lot of NRL experience. They are a very good team and we will respect them like we always do."
"They played well against PNG, a lot better than they did against Australia, and that will help them."
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Erratic Kiwis need Benji to shine

By Dean Ritchie
https://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24590808-5016947,00.html



NEW Zealand's World Cup campaign gathered momentum Sunday night when star five-eighth Benji Marshall was cleared of a serious hamstring injury.
But the good news comes as former New Zealand skipper Hugh McGahan has questioned the Kiwis' ability to win the tournament.
Marshall missed the second half of New Zealand's 48-6 win over Papua New Guinea on the Gold Coast on Saturday night, complaining of hamstring tightness.
There was speculation he may not play again in the tournament and would be rushed in for a scan.
But the Wests Tigers hero did not need a scan after being cleared of any hamstring strain and said he would certainly line up for the match against England at Newcastle on Saturday night.
"I'll be sweet. I pulled up well and I iced it up, I'm feeling pretty good," Marshall said.
Kiwi spokesman Richard Becht said Marshall came from the field purely as a precaution.
"We were leading 22-0 at the time," Becht said.
Marshall said he wanted to return in the second half but was told by staff to rest.
McGahan, a former captain of Easts, said he had serious doubts about the Kiwis' campaign.
"I don't know if what I saw was worth getting excited about, but I have concerns about their motivation," he wrote in a New Zealand newspaper.
"It seems they are trying too hard to make things click and the more they try, the more laboured their movements.
"Performing at optimum level is critical to sustaining a reputation for consistency but unfortunately our only reputation is for inconsistency.
"This team wanted to be known as a team of consistency and one of the great Kiwi teams.
"They were in desperation mode just to make the semi-finals. There was a possibility that they would take some pressure off, but the opposite happened - more pressure, which will grow through the tournament."
McGahan added: "Taking confidence against England is paramount. What we definitely don't want is to lose, then look for revenge next time. That's a loser's motivation and we will always be a loser if we head down that track."
New Zealand coach Stephen Kearney spoke about the considerable improvement from his team's poor loss to Australia.
"What was really pleasing was our defensive performance," he said. "I watched PNG last week and I thought they really troubled the English.
"It was going to take a good performance to keep them out and, for the greater part of the match, the lads produced what was needed."
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Kiwis face weird week

By SAM WORTHINGTON - The Dominion Post | Tuesday, 04 November 2008


https://www.stuff.co.nz/4748727a10713.html



It shapes as a weird week for the Kiwis and their coach, Stephen Kearney.

Barring the Kangaroos throwing their final pool match against Papua New Guinea on Sunday, New Zealand will meet England in Newcastle on Saturday and a week later the same two teams will square off for a rematch in the first World Cup semifinal in Brisbane.
It was an outcome that was always highly likely given the unusual tournament draw and Australia's dominance, which was underlined with a 52-4 embarrassment of England on Sunday night.
Under different circumstances Kearney and his England counterpart, Tony Smith, may have played cat and mouse this week, naming understrength teams and holding back gameplans.
But given how far off the cracking pace set by Australia the tournament's second and third favourites are, building confidence and combinations will be paramount in an otherwise meaningless fixture.
Also swirling around in Kearney's thought process this week is the vacant Parramatta coaching job, for which he has been shortlisted.
The favourite to fill Michael Hagan's shoes is former Warriors coach Daniel Anderson, who will be interviewed by Eels officials today.
But should negotiations with Anderson fail, Kearney is viewed as a good fallback option and Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald would not rule out approaching Kearney this week despite the coach not wanting to be distracted till after the World Cup.
"I think it's reasonable to say that we've got some interest in Steve," Fitzgerald said.
"But our main thought at this stage is Daniel Anderson, he gets back [today] from England."
The Kiwis trained yesterday in Newcastle and will name their team tomorrow, with everyone, bar injured forward Sika Manu, available for selection.
Steve Matai is expected to return from his one-match suspension, meaning either Krisnan Inu or Jerome Ropati will be squeezed out. Inu, who also kicks goals, appeals as having more potential to trouble top-class opposition, though in Ropati's favour is his combination with Manu Vatuvei.
Issac Luke's eyecatching cameo against the Kumuls has put serious heat on Nathan Fien as starting hooker, though the coaching staff may judge the Hawera product more effective as an impact player.
With Benji Marshall off the field with a tight hamstring in the second half, Fien and Luke both spent time at first receiver, with Thomas Leuluai proving more effective at hooker than he has at halfback.
England also have selection dilemmas on their plate after being blown away by Australia.
Danny McGuire, who came off the bench against Australia, may partner halfback Rob Burrow against the Kiwis, with gifted athlete Leon Pryce shifting to the centres.
Either Keith Senior or Martin Gleeson, who were badly exposed by Kangaroo guns Israel Folau and Greg Inglis, would have to make way.
The Telegraph's David Burke said the mismatch between England and Australia was like "Lewis Hamilton's McLaren lining up against Chitty Chitty Bang Bang".
Despite being desperate observers of what is looking like a one-horse race, New Zealand and England still have plenty to play for. The winner of the expected Brisbane semifinal will net at least A$525,000 (NZ$603,000) as losing finalists, while losing semifinalists walk away with A$300,000.
 

garyhobson_old

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If the kiwis are serious about this WC they will drop TL from halfback. He's had his opportunities and he hasnt taken them, giving him more time in the number 7 wont improve him at all. He's not a halfback. Benji will play better without him. Like he did in the 2007 anzac test in Brisbane, where he had to be moved to first receiver when after TL tore his hamstring in the air, and got taken off. That put him out of his misery in that test.
 

Jesbass_old

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Thomas Leuluai was dropped from halfback at half time against PNG, so I wonder if that's a sign of things to come.
 

garyhobson_old

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Thomas Leuluai was dropped from halfback at half time against PNG, so I wonder if that's a sign of things to come.

He looked alright at hooker, he could excell at that position. Although that was against PNG which is about his playing ability standard, from what ive seen of him anyway. You said in one of your other posts he looked decent in the nrl up untill he left to the uk, well I thought he looked out of his depth. He was helped out a lot in 2003 by Stacey Jones and good players around him who were in form.

But in saying that I would have liked to have seen him stay in the nrl at the warriors along with Marcus Perenara, both were really young.
 
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Jesbass_old

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He looked alright at hooker, he could excell at that position. Although that was against PNG which is about his playing ability standard, from what ive seen of him anyway. You said in one of your other posts he looked decent in the nrl up untill he left to the uk, well I thought he looked out of his depth. He was helped out a lot in 2003 by Stacey Jones and good players around him who were in form.

But in saying that I would have liked to have seen him stay in the nrl at the warriors along with Marcus Perenara, both were really young.

Yeah, decent - not great. He was only 18 at the time and showing potential. But when he pulled on that debut Kiwis jersey, he grew an extra leg...or three.
 

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