General Junior development

wizards rage

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 18, 2016
4,517
Tauranga
I just read on social media a comment that Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t smart enough to read a game.

Now Chanel Harris-Tavita has brains. In 2019 he was in the NRL-RLPA academic team of the year and has studied towards a degree in business at AUT. He has the brains to run a team.

My question - in the past players were 100% football focused. They lived and breathed footy. Now a lot of our NZ players study towards a career after football. Do Australian players also have the same post career focus while developing their game?

It’s been said a lot of our juniors don’t develop very thoroughly. If players like Chanel Harris-Tavita are putting in the hours studying business rather than studying the game, does it explain the comments that our players miss the basics while in our system?

After some feedback?
 

6Again

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 1, 2020
1,001
I just read on social media a comment that Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t smart enough to read a game.

Now Chanel Harris-Tavita has brains. In 2019 he was in the NRL-RLPA academic team of the year and has studied towards a degree in business at AUT. He has the brains to run a team.

My question - in the past players were 100% football focused. They lived and breathed footy. Now a lot of our NZ players study towards a career after football. Do Australian players also have the same post career focus while developing their game?

It’s been said a lot of our juniors don’t develop very thoroughly. If players like Chanel Harris-Tavita are putting in the hours studying business rather than studying the game, does it explain the comments that our players miss the basics while in our system?

After some feedback?
The perceived lack of development comes down to the system junior players come through in NZ compared to those in Australia, that issue was being addressed prior to COVID.

I’ve heard it said a few times from within that Chanel Harris-Tavita is a student of the game and works extremely hard. I wouldn’t take anything from social media as gospel.
 

Ever Hopeful

1st Grade Fringe
Contributor
Feb 24, 2013
2,951
I believe it is compulsory for U20s players to be studying or working. It used to be 20 hours a week but this might of changed. They also get help from the club who provide tutors on top.

It is hard for our guys to be surrounded by a rugby league system as they grow up unlike Australia. Even a student of the game doesn't get the real world lessons of playing elite rugby league.

Oh and check out this (just for interest sake)

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JaggedJ

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 19, 2018
3,043
I just read on social media a comment that Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t smart enough to read a game.

Now Chanel Harris-Tavita has brains. In 2019 he was in the NRL-RLPA academic team of the year and has studied towards a degree in business at AUT. He has the brains to run a team.

My question - in the past players were 100% football focused. They lived and breathed footy. Now a lot of our NZ players study towards a career after football. Do Australian players also have the same post career focus while developing their game?

It’s been said a lot of our juniors don’t develop very thoroughly. If players like Chanel Harris-Tavita are putting in the hours studying business rather than studying the game, does it explain the comments that our players miss the basics while in our system?

After some feedback?

Intelligence and ability to read the game don't always go hand in hand.

Ricky Stuart was horrible academically, but good luck finding a guy who can read the game like him coming up in the NRL today.

Halves in NZ are definitely not given the full benefit of coaching that they get in Aus so it's very hard to pin point where the issue is.
 

wizards rage

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 18, 2016
4,517
Tauranga
I believe it is compulsory for U20s players to be studying or working. It used to be 20 hours a week but this might of changed. They also get help from the club who provide tutors on top.
Great points.

Is it just the Warriors where it’s compulsory or all U20 players in the NRL?

I could see a correlation where players that are not in study are more likely to have indiscretions. But is this linked to skills development? Do the players with no interest in study reach a higher or lower ceiling? Possibly they are less motivated and have a lower ceiling, or alternatively they are just less academic and go ‘all in’ to their league apprenticeship and excel faster (while also having indiscretions).

Obviously great people make great players but there have been quite a few players that don’t take life to seriously that have performed at the very highest level.
 

Kiwishark

U20's Player
Oct 7, 2020
16
I just read on social media a comment that Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t smart enough to read a game.

Now Chanel Harris-Tavita has brains. In 2019 he was in the NRL-RLPA academic team of the year and has studied towards a degree in business at AUT. He has the brains to run a team.

My question - in the past players were 100% football focused. They lived and breathed footy. Now a lot of our NZ players study towards a career after football. Do Australian players also have the same post career focus while developing their game?

It’s been said a lot of our juniors don’t develop very thoroughly. If players like Chanel Harris-Tavita are putting in the hours studying business rather than studying the game, does it explain the comments that our players miss the basics while in our system?

After some feedback?
Every junior player has to do something outside of football... I believe they aren't allowed to train between 7.30am and 4pm
 
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mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,809
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
Every junior player has to do something outside of football... I believe they aren't allowed to train between 7.30am and 4pm
The exception being this season. For obvious reasons the top juniors have had to join the team at Central Coast so they are getting the benefit of full time training which the NRL have had to allow. From one report I heard from a family member the junior development has sky rocketed as a result. Both mentally and physically...
 

wizards rage

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 18, 2016
4,517
Tauranga
Every junior player has to do something outside of football... I believe they aren't allowed to train between 7.30am and 4pm
I see it as an apprenticeship and the time required to build the 10,000 hours to master a skill.

Balancing football development vs a future beyond the code.

Do we have it right? Are all NRL teams developing juniors under the same rules? What ages is the ‘day time’ restrictions applied?
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,809
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
I see it as an apprenticeship and the time required to build the 10,000 hours to master a skill.
Only difference is after 10k hours or 4 years you can work your trade for life. For junior league players the chances are very slim they will ply their trade for any real length. Hence the need for a real backup...
 

mrblonde

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 14, 2012
4,019
Auckland
Yep, a real backup that goes beyond "But I can commentate the game!", "I can be the colour comments man!", or even "Whaddya mean, Sky don't want me?! I can spout rugby league cliches all day!" Like how Mr Mannering's probably earning a pretty good living now as a quantity surveyor.

You'd hope if - fingers seriously crossed here - things don't work out for Mr Roache in EelsLand and he has to give the game away that he's got something lined up... Retirements aren't always those glorious planned moments after your third GF appearance, paraded in front of thousands of adoring fans and respectful rival fans after 200+ games, lauded as one of the greats etc etc. I'ts quite often after the doctors/specialists all give your their sad face and say "You're gone, mate." or "You injure that again and you'll most likely be in a wheelchair."

Junior Development really should spend a majority of time on getting players ready for those rugby league dreams not - for a myriad of reasons, from being in the wrong place at the wrong time (standing in line behind 2-3 Future Immortals at one club, moving to the second club and you're out for one month or so and some guy takes your NRL spot and hangs on to it etc), to being an unfortunate serious injury magnet - working out as intended.
 

Rick O'Shay

Warriors 1st Grader
May 1, 2013
4,708
New Plymouth
There are some skills that are natural and inherent, true for all sports not just league. Ricky Stuart was a good example, not too flash academically but a demon on the field in both codes.

Could probably call it situational awareness or instinct. Can be taught but not to a high level if you don't already have it in you.

Chanel Harris-Tavita, not so sure, our new signing, definitely.
 
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Kiwishark

U20's Player
Oct 7, 2020
16
I see it as an apprenticeship and the time required to build the 10,000 hours to master a skill.

Balancing football development vs a future beyond the code.

Do we have it right? Are all NRL teams developing juniors under the same rules? What ages is the ‘day time’ restrictions applied?
Yep its an NRL rule. Not sure on the age but it would probably be u20 or until a full NRL contract it signed????
 

Penpal

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Mar 22, 2014
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A good read on the Kepu twins

Double act eyes the big stage​


If this is the incorrect thread can a mod please move as didn't know where to post
 

Ryaan

Warriors Bench Player
Sep 23, 2020
55
Did anyone get to watch the Future Warriors academy boys play at mt smart yesterday? Not sure if it was on sky tv
 
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Gizzyfan

Warriors 1st Grader
Jan 2, 2013
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I just read on social media a comment that Chanel Harris-Tavita isn’t smart enough to read a game.

Now Chanel Harris-Tavita has brains. In 2019 he was in the NRL-RLPA academic team of the year and has studied towards a degree in business at AUT. He has the brains to run a team.

My question - in the past players were 100% football focused. They lived and breathed footy. Now a lot of our NZ players study towards a career after football. Do Australian players also have the same post career focus while developing their game?

It’s been said a lot of our juniors don’t develop very thoroughly. If players like Chanel Harris-Tavita are putting in the hours studying business rather than studying the game, does it explain the comments that our players miss the basics while in our system?

After some feedback?

Everything is balance, 100% should be looking at after sport, but game learnings can be there as well
 
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Penpal

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Mar 22, 2014
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Did anyone get to watch the Future Warriors academy boys play at mt smart yesterday? Not sure if it was on sky tv
Could be wrong but I checked the listings and couldn't see it on sky

Also keen to hear thoughts from anyone who went along
 

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