Doyle seems to have got to know quite a few of the Kiwi boys from his time in charge of the NZRL, I would be very interested to know his opinion/assessment of Russell Packer
From what Ive been told Scurrah liked to discuss things with management over a beer and gather input. Jim Doyle has meetings and says we are doing this, this and this. Two completely different styles of leadership. Scurrah went for the popular consensus. Jim isnt afraid of calling the shots.
Was also told one of the first things Doyle did was move Dean Bells recruitment and Duane Manns Pathways team out of the main floor and replace them with the Marketing and Membership teams so he could work closer with them...
The fact that I am incompetent at work has nothing to do with my behaviour during corporate hospitality.
Didnt suggest at all that Scurrah was inept or incompetent. Just sharing what was told to me almost verbatim by a member of the Warriors management team. Someone that had to move downstairs . Wasnt knocking Scurrah.I look at it this way, ^^^, different styles, doesn't mean the less successful manager is only there for the piss up. Even under Scurrah the Warriors was financially one of the best run clubs. Eric Watson has his shit together so if the previous management group was so fucked would they have lasted so long. Like the playing squad you can only work with what's available so at the time, may be Scurrah was the best they could get. Because he has now been replaced by someone that is looking immensely better doesn't mean he had no clues.
Didnt suggest at all that Scurrah was inept or incompetent. Just sharing what was told to me almost verbatim by a member of the Warriors management team. Someone that had to move downstairs . Wasnt knocking Scurrah.
I appreciate the work that Scurrah has done. The finances of the club have never ever looked better and he can be applauded for bringing that sort of fiscal stability to the club. Even if the clubs jersey revenue has gone up while mine has gone down .
I think with Doyle though we are seeing a more hard lined approach across the entire organisation. Not just marketing, memberships, gate sales or merchandise but also the onfield performance of players, trainers and recruitment. He's taking responsibility for it all and integrating both the backroom and coalface. Previously we have two separate divisions with Scurrah running the office and John Hart or Dean Bell or the coach taking onfield reigns. From where Im standing the only thing Doyle doesnt do is train the boys, pick the team or wash the kit. Yet!!!
Yeah it was Freddie Futler post that jogged my memory on the whole 'sort it out over some beers' story I was told at the inter-club trial in Papakura.I knew you weren't bagging him, was me just adding to what you said in regards to my posts with Freddie. One thing though, Doyles style can also become an issue if things turn to poo, Parramatta is a perfect example of how years of a one man band can become toxic when things start to go poorly on the field. Hell they are at the point of calling in police to control individuals and fractions during board elections. The Warriors are in a slightly different boat being privately owned, but lasts years soap opera shows that as an organisation they aren't above shit storms.
I think in any other line of business Scurrah would be (has been) a very competent CEO, but a sports franchise is a vastly different enterprise to most other businesses
The success or failure of a sports franchise is ultimately based on the results of the team, not how much profit is being made by merchandising etc, to think otherwise is putting the cart before the horse imo
From an outside perspective Doyle seems to more than get this, as evidenced by his first priority seeming to be greatly enhancing the playing roster, whereas Scurrah's bottom line seemed to be profit through merchandising, which tbf he was very good at, but if you create a top flight winning team most of that side of the business takes care of itself anyway
To use a rugby union analogy, (please don't crucify me lol) for the most part foreign people overseas don't buy All Black jerseys because they love NZ or the colour black, they buy them because that jersey / team is associated with excellence of performance & a winning culture over a relatively long period of time
Doyle seems to understand this, wheres Scurrah seems to have not, I can't totally blame Scurrah though, as I personally do not know what executive directives he was being given by Eric "I Blatantly Rip People Off & Get Away With It" Watson, who I think it is safe to say would put profit before everything
Been advocating that too. You name it. Merchandising, memberships, gate sales, profile, brand value, culture and even future recruitment sorts itself out as long as the team are winning. No need for large scale advertising or tacky training jerseys. To expand on your satanic analogy the All Blacks sell the same amount of jerseys as the Warriors. 98% at a guess would be the plain black version. No gimicky rasta Tap Out jerseys needed. Just success.
He may rip people off in other areas of business but not the Warriors. Before Scurrah turned the clubs finances around Watson was writing out cheques for a million dollars a year to cover costs. Every year. He's also fiercely proud of never taking a cent out of the club. All profits have been reinvested into the club and Rugby League.
I dont care about his other business ventures. Thats for him and his investors to worry about...
"Satanic Analogy" ... I bloody near swallowed my doob when I read that
As for the rip off stuff, I have a close mate who lost nearly everything, including his home & his family, thanks to the fuckery of Hanover (Handover your $$$) Finance, so I wouldn't piss on either Watson or Hotchin if they were on fire ... in other words it's purely personal
In saying that though, maybe that's exactly the type of "business" mind a person needs to navigate being an owner of an NRL franchise
After all ... if you want to swim with the sharks its far better to actually be one of the sharks than if you were say ... a goldfish
I was of the belief Watson was already gone from Hanover before the shit happened, that's why he wasn't part of the lawsuit like Hotchin.
Not to derail my own thread but ... I believe Watson was in a partnership with Hotchin as major shareholder's initially before they bought the company outright & changed it to Hanover Finance, the reason Hotchin carried the brunt of the blame & Watson didn't, was that Hotchin was also the Director of Hanover Finance which made him more liable in the eyes of the "law", whereas Watson hardly ever takes a full time hands on role in any of his business ventures, he's basically the behind the scenes money man, as evidenced by his role at the Warriors
I find it almost impossible to believe however that Watson was completely ignorant as to what was going to happen due to their "business practices" eg: The Financial Crisis of 2007-08 ... in fact its been more or less proven that all of those excessively wealthy wankers from all over the world knew exactly what was going to happen, but they did it anyway because the bulk of their own money & assets are protected by the "law" in such an event
In other words they all knew the ones who would carry the can & essentially be fucked over was Mr & Mrs John & Jane Average, whose money & assets are not anywhere near as protected by the "law" in that regard
Still aren't to this day, but the wealthy are & even more so now ... rant over
I'm confused. I thought this was the 'I want to have Doyle's babies' thread, not the 'evil 1% FTW' thread. >_<
Came in the year after when the NZRL failed to capitalise on the Kiwis success and come within weeks of going completely belly up. Doyle was brought in to implement the proposals put forward by Sir John Anderson in his damning report on the state of New Zealand Rugby League in 2009. It was after implementing a lot of the proposals that NZRL was given $3 million of funding by SPARC which saved league in this country...Can anyone please tell me if Jim Doyle was the man in charge of the NZRL when the Kiwis won the world cup in 08 ?