General Is this the twilight of democracy?

bruce

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There are some intelligent people who think Merka has big, and immediate, problems with democracy.
 
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the borg

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I remember a quote from the preacher Billy Graham that said...
"If god doesnt punish America, then he'll need to apologise to Sodom and Gomorah"
Even though that was a few decades ago, the corruption in that country has exponentially increased. As for democracy instead of a politibureau they got billionaires.. both dictatorial and as bad as each other..
 

Gizzyfan

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Corruption has been codified in law in Merka, Citizens United legislation means that anyone can 'donate' what they want to Politicians. Their Supreme Court ruled that money is a form of free speech so have at it lads.

So, some organisation like Boeing can 'donate' millions of dollars, and then expect to be awarded defence contracts worth hundreds of millions. What is more these defence contractors are spread across all States.
 

Gizzyfan

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When people discuss forums like these we tend, reasonably, to look at the over arching powers of the State. I do not support that.

What we, and most other Western countries have developed is political classes, these cover all sides of the spectrum. Unlike the past they have not come through business, farming, the law etc. They are solely political, and insulate themselves from the public at large.

They are groomed by the lobby groups of large Corporations, whose sole purpose is profit. They obtain concessions to operate and dredge as much money as they can, usually from the poorest of society. As an example look at where most liquor licences are granted.
 

bruce

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The issue is progressing by the day.

The Republican right wing are becoming very open about their aims.

They want the Republican controlled state administrations to be able to select the POTUS regardless of the votes. Strictly under their interpretation of the constitution that is legal.

They went within a whisker of that happening on January 6, a whisker. Next time they will be much better organized.

Further, any moderate Republican official, especially election officials are being threatened, and many are quitting. The only people who will not get threatened are MAGA people.

So Trump and his MAGA crowd, who are about 20% at best of the population, will run the country, by force.

They are well on the way to achieving that while the Democrats were sound asleep.

Some have been predicting a civil war for years. Some have said that isn't possible.

It would not be south versus north, it would be blue states versus red.
 
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bruce

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When people discuss forums like these we tend, reasonably, to look at the over arching powers of the State. I do not support that.

What we, and most other Western countries have developed is political classes, these cover all sides of the spectrum. Unlike the past they have not come through business, farming, the law etc. They are solely political, and insulate themselves from the public at large.

They are groomed by the lobby groups of large Corporations, whose sole purpose is profit. They obtain concessions to operate and dredge as much money as they can, usually from the poorest of society. As an example look at where most liquor licences are granted.
This is not a political class taking power.

The IQ and BMI of the average MAGA supporter is sub standard.

This is a angry white mob, just the same as Hitler brown shirts.

It is a slow moving train wreck
 
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Gizzyfan

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The Brown shirts were a regimented and ably led mob. The MAGA is just a mob following Trump, they will never take over. They might well cause a lot of damage and violence, but at the moment do not have the focussed leadership.
 

bruce

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The Brown shirts were a regimented and ably led mob. The MAGA is just a mob following Trump, they will never take over. They might well cause a lot of damage and violence, but at the moment do not have the focussed leadership.
MAGA are regimented by social media.

John Brown upsets Trump. Trump releases press statement saying John Brown is a disgraceful rino and gives out his phone number.

After receiving genuinely scary calls for a while John Brown decides to leave the GOP Party, or his election job.

The MAGA mob are Trumps private army, and he is their gang boss.
 

Gizzyfan

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MAGA are regimented by social media.

John Brown upsets Trump. Trump releases press statement saying John Brown is a disgraceful rino and gives out his phone number.

After receiving genuinely scary calls for a while John Brown decides to leave the GOP Party, or his election job.

The MAGA mob are Trumps private army, and he is their gang boss.

There is no doubt that is correct, but they are still an ill disciplined mob.
 
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dean

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Comparing them with Germans, who are a very discipline people, they are. However they have some big money, and very evil minds pulling the strings.
You can't organise a political military group via social media. You may get lot's of them to turn up at a particular time and place but they are an unorganised, undisciplined rabble.
 

bruce

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You can't organise a political military group via social media. You may get lot's of them to turn up at a particular time and place but they are an unorganised, undisciplined rabble.
This MEGA movement is well funded, and that needs organisation. They are setting up Trumpers on every elected board they can find, from schools, to elections to local bodies.

Of course these people are idiots, but they don't care about that.
 
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dean

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This MEGA movement is well funded, and that needs organisation. They are setting up Trumpers on every elected board they can find, from schools, to elections to local bodies.

Of course these people are idiots, but they don't care about that.
Sitting behind a computer screen and throwing money at a cause still one thing but you still need an organised front line if you are going to protest and challenge the status quo. I have no doubt they are spreading out as you say, but look at their leader, he is no Hitler.
 
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the borg

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I wouldnt be surprised if a designed major stock market crash is on the horizon. Similar if not worse than 1929 triggering another world wide great depression and once and for all creating an abyss between the extremely rich and by then extremely poor... and no way to bridge the gap.. We are seeing signs already, where the middle class has been slowly wiped out, small business' struggling to compete and the biggest sign is debt, private and govt.. somethings gonna break the camels back sooner or later...
 

bruce

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I have no doubt they are spreading out as you say, but look at their leader, he is no Hitler
Neither was Hitler, he was a smelly, socially inept loud mouthed psycho. who slept in until lunchtime everyday. Just the same as Trump.

He was also a paranoid nasty bastard who started out with the very quiet support of the industrial elite. By the time they realised they had lost control of him it was too late.

That is why I think it is interesting that leading GOP figures like GW Bush and Dick Cheney are obviously working to get rid of Trump now. I believe they will succeed, and they will have won because they will have the electoral system gerrymandered in their favour.

They don't need Trump so much now.
 
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Gizzyfan

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Forget looking at US leaders in politics, they are irrelevant. The corporations/Intelligence agencies/media are controlling things. The politicians are bought and sold.

The accumulation of money and influence is what counts. States like GB and Aus are their mates, because they buy from the oigarchy. States Like Russia and china enemies, not rivals, as they present a risk to the elie.
 

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