General Is this the twilight of democracy?

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That is all Murdoch shite...and he thinks Trump is great...apparently.

Word about Fox is that it all went to shite when the Murdochs were forced to sack Roger Ailes, who was a genuine twisted genius, but he had to go.

Rupert gave the management of Fox to his son Lachlan. He is way more to the right than Rupert, and not that competent.

It seems the channel almost runs itself responding to ratings and is of concern to many staff...but they need a job.

Apparently some staff have complained about Tucker Carlson...to no avail.
 

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Boris is a fool, but for some reason he’s popular. I think a lot are persuaded by his chummy demeanour. They identify with him for all his faults

The problem here is because we have first past the post there are only two parties that can win and the Labour Party shot themselves in both feet by putting an other world left wing idiot in as leader. Labour will suffer for that for years tbh. The idea of Labour getting in was too frightening to contemplate for a lot of people. A man who held up Venezuela as a model socialist state being one of many idiot ideas.

I’m not sure it’s anything like as bad as that interview is making out though. RT is a notorious agitating propaganda channel, that interviewer was on TV after the Salisbury poisoning and couldn’t bring himself to say Russian agents were behind it. The Russian state are masters of propaganda, they’ve had over 100 years of practice
Anna Applebaum gives a much more detailed description of Boris. He is more dangerous than he may appear, and although not a Trumper is similar in that he is a lazy, loudmouth who surrounds himself with dickheads.
 

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A Four Corners expose on Murdoch and Fox News. A very good watch.

If any fecker is senile I think it has to be Rupert Murdoch, and his son Lachlan is just a dropkick.

Did ya know Rupert Murdoch invested US$130 million in Theranos :eek:.
He was the biggest shareholder:rolleyes:, and he says Biden is senile:wtf:.
 

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Boris is a fool, but for some reason he’s popular. I think a lot are persuaded by his chummy demeanour. They identify with him for all his faults

The problem here is because we have first past the post there are only two parties that can win and the Labour Party shot themselves in both feet by putting an other world left wing idiot in as leader. Labour will suffer for that for years tbh. The idea of Labour getting in was too frightening to contemplate for a lot of people. A man who held up Venezuela as a model socialist state being one of many idiot ideas.

I’m not sure it’s anything like as bad as that interview is making out though. RT is a notorious agitating propaganda channel, that interviewer was on TV after the Salisbury poisoning and couldn’t bring himself to say Russian agents were behind it. The Russian state are masters of propaganda, they’ve had over 100 years of practice

The Labour MP over there that makes me shake my head is Dianne Abbott. She seems to give imbeciles a bad name.
 

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He’s a hard lad, that’s for certain. I’d be tempted to accept his version of the story over Chappell’s as well.

Clearly been brought in to press the flesh Australian style
I don't know that he is that popular in Oz. I think he got sent off a plane once in Queensland.

Chappell can be a lippy shite and no match for Botham, who he is much younger than as well.

I think it is a great example of Boris appointing dickheads to jobs.
 
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The Labour MP over there that makes me shake my head is Dianne Abbott. She seems to give imbeciles a bad name.
She’s Oxbridge educated but just seems bone idle, never prepares for interviews and gets caught out time after time
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One of many times she was caught out was in criticising private education, yet sending her son to fee paying Westminster school. It’s easy being a lapel badged protest politician but once she got close to being a government minister it all came back to bite her on the arse
 
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I don't know that he is that popular in Oz. I think he got sent off a plane once in Queensland.

Chappell can be a lippy shite and no match for Botham, who he is much younger than as well.

I think it is a great example of Boris appointing dickheads to jobs.
Way before my time but Chappell was the club pro at the village I currently live in. Like a lot in those days, practiced their trade in the Lancashire league
 
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She’s Oxbridge educated but just seems bone idle, never prepares for interviews and gets caught out time after time
Posted this on another thread but


One of many times she was caught out was in criticising private education, yet sending her son to fee paying Westminster school. It’s easy being a lapel badged protest politician but once she got close to being a government minister it all came back to bite her on the arse
Heyzeuss, she wouldn't even make the Kiwibuild team. What a drop kick? Boris and his mates don't really have to try very hard do they?

She is not even an average intelligence Brit, so why aren't the better qualified ones getting into Parliament?

Lech Walesa said in one of the clips I posted before that most people have lost interest in elections so populists are getting in.

In Georgia Merka, in the seat won by Marjorie Taylor Green, her primary opponent was a genuine nice guy, a doctor, very conservative and popular with the locals, but Donald Trump backed MTG and there you go.

Lech Walesa was in despair about the state of things in Poland but we never hear about the situation there, or in Hungary, and for all intents and purposes the serious shite going down in the US.

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Heyzeuss, she wouldn't even make the Kiwibuild team. What a drop kick? Boris and his mates don't really have to try very hard do they?

She is not even an average intelligence Brit, so why aren't the better qualified ones getting into Parliament?
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Winning the last election was a tap in for Boris.

Labour lost badly to Thatcher in 1983 when led by a decent man but very cranky left winger called Michael Foot. The Labour manifesto for that election became known here as the longest suicide note in British history. Corbyn is one of the very few people who thought they were on the right lines and fought on a similar platform in 2019, hammered again. He is to the extreme left of Labour and a useless idiot to boot who seems to attract some unpleasant characters on the fringes (anti semites for example).

Where we go wrong in the UK imho is first past the post, it’s entirely possible to be a useless dick head but get voted in many times over because your constituency always returns a particular party. We would be much better off having a system closer to PR where parties would put their best people up and we would encourage parties to work together for the greater good when there is no overall majority. At the moment, like the early 80’s, we are far too polarised with extremists on both sides. Until he donned a bomber jacket and pretended he was County Durham’s answer to Bruce Willis, I liked Blair. Market economy with some enlightened social policies that we could afford and he was popular
 

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Until he donned a bomber jacket and pretended he was County Durham’s answer to Bruce Willis, I liked Blair. Market economy with some enlightened social policies that we could afford and he was popular
IMO he was an intellectual lightweight, like Cameron, but heyzeuss spare me what would you give to have either of them back?

Where we go wrong in the UK imho is first past the post, it’s entirely possible to be a useless dick head but get voted in many times over because your constituency always returns a particular party.
and it opens up gerrymandering...which is what is ruining democracy in Merka.

That is something we got right with MMP...if right is an accurate word!!!
 

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IMO he was an intellectual lightweight, like Cameron, but heyzeuss spare me what would you give to have either of them back?
He is quite a bright bloke imho, much more so than Cameron. Labour, like now, were a disaster. He set them on a path for the centre ground, managing to push through changes including reducing the influence of the all powerful unions. It took him a few years but he managed to turn them into a party that could be trusted again. This may have been his downfall in a way, in the early 80’s Labour were much more left wing in outlook and not openly hostile to but untrusting of America. He wanted to change that perception and I think it’s possibly why he got dragged into Iraq, determined to stand by America whatever. Of course all the lefties absolutely hate him now because he trod on a few toes on the way to changing the party.
Corbyn wanted to go back to old Labour, repeal all the trade Union legislation, nationalise everything. A dinosaur basically.
 
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He is quite a bright bloke imho, much more so than Cameron.
Yes he was, and especially his wife, but Einstein (a genuine genius) couldn't tie his shoelaces nor find his way to school.

They both came through the academic wings of the party like our Kiwibuild crew, although she is a high achieving lawyer.

People can get over impressed, and under impressed, by academic achievement.

This is especially true in Merka where idiots like Trump get their university degrees bought for them.

As an academic I respect academia but I have mates who despise it.
 
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Yes he was, and especially his wife, but Einstein (a genuine genius) couldn't tie his shoelaces nor find his way to school.

They both came through the academic wings of the party like our Kiwibuild crew, although she is a high achieving lawyer.

People can get over impressed, and under impressed, by academic achievement.

This is especially true in Merka where idiots like Trump get their university degrees bought for them.

As an academic I respect academia but I have mates who despise it.
I assume you know who Blair’s father in law was? Comedy actor Anthony Booth, famous for his ‘Scouse git ’ role in this

 
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IMO he was an intellectual lightweight, like Cameron, but heyzeuss spare me what would you give to have either of them back?


and it opens up gerrymandering...which is what is ruining democracy in Merka.

That is something we got right with MMP...if right is an accurate word!!!

You could come up with the perfect system, Politicians would find a way to fuck it up. They can't help themselves. When we were being trained in profiling they told this story 'There was a huge flood and a dog and a scorpion were about to be engulfed. The dog said to the scorpion 'jump on my back and I will save us both', half way across the scorpion stung the dog, the dog said 'why? now we will both die' the scorpion replied 'I'm sorry, it is what I am'

That is the very reason Politicians need to be watched, it is what they are. They are solely motivated by power, control, greed and ego.
 

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When we were being trained in profiling they told this story 'There was a huge flood and a dog and a scorpion were about to be engulfed. The dog said to the scorpion 'jump on my back and I will save us both', half way across the scorpion stung the dog, the dog said 'why? now we will both die' the scorpion replied 'I'm sorry, it is what I am'
 

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You could come up with the perfect system,
Solzenhytzen says a benevolent dictator...

the founding fathers said no good looking for a system that gives you a good leader, just have a system that lets you get rid of a bad one
 

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