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Spain had announced a national team in 2009 but never managed to get a game against another nation. I guess they must have a lot of players playing in other countries competitions.
 
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I have been taking a bit of an interest in international league. I have tried to follow and discover all of the unusual nations for the past few years. Other teams that have been looking to get involved internationally are Argentina (another team that were looking for games in 2009), Cuba (again 2009), Hawaii (same year, they were going to play as a separate nation to the US), India (2011), Indonesia (2011), Kazakhstan (2009), Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (they played Lebanon in 2009), Pakistan (2011), Palestine (2011), Panama (2009), Phillipines (played Thailand once in 2012, and once this year), Singapore (2011), Solomon Islands (played Vanuatu this year), Thailand (played Phillipines, as mentioned), Tuvalu (2011), UAE (played Lebanon in 2008), Vanuatu (who have played Greece and Solomons) and West Indies (who played one match in 2004). Most of the matches I have mentioned were probably not sanctioned Test Matches, but they are still interesting. All of the other countries I have listed without games noted, have been unable to find others to play against (as far as I have been able to find).

I would like to see many of these nations involved in some small international tournaments. This would help to grow the game immensely. I know some teams have started out in some quite amusing ways. One of the Eastern European countries (can't recall exactly which country) played an International many years ago where they had to borrow uniforms from another country (and if I remember correctly, the uniforms were from a rugby union team, as well) for their first outing.
 
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Some strange nations in the rankings as well some that have yet to play a sanctioned match...
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Some strange nations in the rankings as well some that have yet to play a sanctioned match...
Some tough rankings there too. PNG hadn't played any other nations top team since their one game against Fiji in 2011. They have played a trial against the Rabbitohs, and the annual games against the Australina Prime Ministers 13, but none of that will go against international rankings. Seems harsh to drop down the rankings while not playing a game.
 
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Niue and Vanuatu not on the list?

Surprised Cooks a re ranked so low?
Not sure about Nuie and Vanuatu? Only games CI get ranked on are the Pacific Cup and if you dont do well there then you get ranked down.

Off Wiki. How they come up with the rankings. Check out the unranked teams at the end...

RLIF World Rankings
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Proof The RLIF World Rankings is a ranking system for men's national teams in the sport of rugby league football. The teams of the member nations of the Rugby League International Federation, rugby league football's world governing body, are ranked based on their game results with the most successful teams being ranked highest. A point system is used, with points being awarded based on the results of RLIF-recognized international matches. Under the existing system, rankings are based on a team's performance over the last three years, with more recent results and more significant matches being more heavily weighted to help reflect the current competitive state of a team.

Ranking system
The RLIF World Rankings are calculated based on an average of points accumulated by each Nation over a three year cycle. Under the structure, matches deemed of higher importance such as World Cup games, Four Nations and other major tournament finals draw more points than mid-season Tests and other ‘Internationals’. For each match that a nation participates they are given a base level of points. This base level is affected upon the type of match (World Cup, Major Tournament, Test Match and International) and the status of the opponent.

Bonus points are given for teams that reach certain milestones deemed of significant international importance including reaching a tournament final or qualifying for an event such as a World Cup.

From the total number of points that a nation will receive these points are then averaged to help give a more accurate view of the performance of a nation over the three year cycle.

Nations which have played less than 5 matches over a three year cycle will be penalised under the current point structure.

Use of the rankings
The rankings are used by Rugby League International Federation to view the progression and ability of the national rugby league teams.

The data is currently used in things as seeding for tournaments such as the European Cup, Mediterranean Cup and Pacific Cup.

Criticism
Since the ranking system's introduction in 2007 many people[who?] have criticized the rankings of some of the teams placings in the official standings released by the Rugby League International Federation with claims that the strength of the teams are often seen as a secondary force in the moving of rankings in comparison with the amount of fixtures that are played in by a nation.[citation needed]

The counterbalancing argument to this is that this system encourages nations to play in more international matches or 'friendlies' outside of just major tournaments in the hope of gaining a higher RLIF ranking.

Current calculation method
Match status
A weighting system has been implemented by the RLIF to give more points to teams if they gain a victory over a major team in a major tournament, with friendlies ranked with considerably less points than any World Cup finals match or the final of Cups such as the European, Mediterranean and Pacific Cups.

Opponent strength
The RLIF has organized the ranking so that a win against a very highly ranked opponent is a considerably greater achievement than a win against a low-rated opponent, so the strength of the opposing team is a factor.

Assessment period
All matches played over the last thirty-six months or three years are included in the calculation of the rankings, but there is a weighting system implemented to put more emphasis on recent results.

Ranking schedule
Rankings are calculated throughout each year but are based only on matches played in the previous three years with the most recent update being in November 2011.

A team must play at least five matches over the RLIF designated period to be included in the rankings without having a penalty applied to the nations national team.

Other National Teams
The following teams are not mentioned on the RLIF Rankings website but have Observers status or are significant enough to have a page on Rugby League Planet
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I'd love to see the game grow in South Africa, maybe take an NRL trial game over there? Or even an end of year test match between AUS and NZ.
 
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I'd love to see the game grow in South Africa, maybe take an NRL trial game over there? Or even an end of year test match between AUS and NZ.
When you look at the fast mobile monsters they have over S.A with there rugby sides.
It would be a sight if they tapped into and become accustomed to our game.
Really hope they have a good dig at it.
 
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I'd love to see the game grow in South Africa, maybe take an NRL trial game over there? Or even an end of year test match between AUS and NZ.
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1. Breakthrough for League
Rugby league is set to belatedly achieve government recognition in South Africa as soon as this week – as a direct result of the country's ambitious bid to host the 2017 World Cup. SARL official Chris Botes tells Set of Six: “Up until two days ago, rugby league was almost in the doldrums. SARU was doing a good job of keeping it squashed down. (But) the World Cup doesn't just involve the Department of Sport. It involves the Department of Tourism, the Department of Public Enterprise … it's a 500 million rand ($52.8 million) event. People are saying 'here's a chance for South Africa to have this major event and the only reason we can't have it is one piece of paper'. SASCOG can't tell us why they can't recognise (us) … having the World Cup on the table, we have forced the decision to go to parliament, to cabinet. I'm sitting down next week again with the Department of Sport. The minister for sport, I met with his deputy on Thursday. They are saying 'yes, we want to support you'”.
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NSW Country 58 South Africa 18

South African officials fly to Britain this week to push their bid to host the 2017 World Cup, undeterred by their national side's heavy loss to NSW Country in front of a tiny crowd.

Fewer than 500 people saw a Country side featuring former NRL stars Jamie Feeney, Riley Brown and Terrence Seu Seu inflict a 11-try hammering on the Rhinos at Brakpan's Bosman Stadium in South Africa on Friday night.

Centre Ben McAlpine and winger Jason Raper each finished with hat-tricks after the Country side – which won an earlier tour match 50-0 – led 32-12 at halftime.

“We have to submit our formal bid, five copies in writing, on the 18th of November,” said SARL official Chris Botes, who will address the Annual General Meeting of the Rugby League International Federation in Cardiff on Friday night.

“Then, on the 27th of November, we present to a committee. Australia is also presenting – and we'll know shortly afterwards.

“I think they'll announce it at the (World Cup) final.”

Botes argues 500,000 new players would take up the sport if the World Cup was granted to South Africa. His bid committee – which includes members of the FIFA World Cup organising group - plans to give every competing country $200,000 to prepare.

South Africa were down 22-0 on Friday night before their first try, to halfback Hans Du Plessis in the 32nd minute. They managed two more at the end of each half.

The triple by Orange's McAlpine was a true hat-trick, with tries in the 55th, 60th and 62nd minutes. Each side had a man sent to the sin bin by French referee Stephane Vincent – Rhino Johan Fritz and Country's Raper.

“Credit to them, they're a rugby nation and it's second nature for us to play league,” said Country captain Feeney.

“To captain this side at the ripe old age of 35 after five years in (NRL) retirement, I'm loving it.”

NSW COUNTRY 58 (J Raper 3, B McAlpine 3, T Smith 2, B Scott, J Feeney, S Williams tries B Scott 6 goals) bt SOUTH AFRICA 18 (H Du Plessis, J Oosthuysen, S Bouwer tries H Olivier 3 goals) at Bosman Stadium, Brakpan. Referee: S Vincent. Crowd: about 450
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HERE'S a bit more on the South African bid to host the 2017 World Cup.

SARL official Chris Botes says his is convinced every full member of the Rugby League International Federation will vote for him – aside from Australia, New Zealand and England.

The SARL delegation believes the decision should be put to an overall vote. They rejected a decision that the RLIF executive decide – because it is made up of Australia, New Zealand and England and the first two of those make up the only rival bid.

The South Africans are happy with the decision to appoint a bid committee to decide. A decision is expected in January.

“The RLIF has never had anyone say 'we want the World Cup',” said Botes. “It's always been England, Australia, England-Wales, Australia-New Zealand.

“When South Africa says 'we'd like to host it', the Federation says 'we don't know how to deal with that, we don't have a formal bid process, the main members of the board must vote'.

“We went to all the main members, they said 'we are in support'. Australia and New Zealand didn't exactly put their hands up in support and England played a neutral role but other countries were in support – Samoa, Cook Islands, Fiji, PNG, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, USA, Morocco … all these guys were for it because they can see the potential for the sport in South Africa.

“So then they said 'it's not going to the main countries anymore, it's going to (the executive). It comprises two Australians and two New Zealanders so we politely asked that (they) not be involved.


“So we now have a bid committee …. Nigel Wood … Sally Bolton, who is charge of the 2013 World Cup, we have Graeme Thompson who is the European director on the RLIF board and we have a fourth person which is an auditing company which will have a look at the financial feasibility of the bid.”
RLIF is a toothless, near nonexistent, org designed to rubber-stamp the status quo and this is unlikely to happen, but dreams are free. I'm sure the developing countries could do with the cash from the SA bid.
 
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RLIF is a toothless, near nonexistent, org designed to rubber-stamp the status quo and this is unlikley to happen, but dreams are free. I'm sure the developing countires could do with the cash from the SA bid.
Bang on there. RLIF is just an ARL lap dog. Even NSWRL have a bigger bark then them.

After reading your links I couldnt agree more. If the games to truly grow then the RLWC should be played in at least 2 minor countries before it comes to the big 3. The RLIF need to think of it as an investment.

Of course this is all just pie in the sky. They'll go where the money is. Sad reality...
 
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Could international league re capture this golden era? Wouldve loved to live in this time and witness these games. They said the Aussies hadnt won the ashes in 30 years? wow thats world dominance from the poms
 
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Hadn’t seen this before:

However, new eligibility rules to be introduced after the World Cup are set to change that, with players to able to represent a first tier country - Australia, England and New Zealand - and a second nation if they qualify on birth or heritage grounds and are not selected by one of the big three.
Mateo, who represented Tonga eight times between 2006 and 2009, did the same thing to become eligible for NSW and was chosen by City this season but was subsequently ruled out of the World Cup.
After the tournament, the likes of Mateo and Fifita will be able to play for both Australia and Tonga as players will be asked to formally elect the first and second tier country they wish to play for if eligible.
The new eligibility rule won't effect State of Origin as from this year players can only be considered for selection if they lived in NSW or Queensland before the age of 12.
Read more:
https://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/italy-set-to-suffer-in-flawed-world-cup-draw-20131028-2wb15.html#ixzz2j3R7rV6A

One hand it’s kind of a joke, not really fair to the players who represent at this world cup to lose there place to someone dropping out of the kiwi or aussie team next year, one the other hand, you could see even more stacked island sides available for one off tests.

Both diminishes the credibility of international league (what kind of sport lets you play for 2 different international teams in the same year) yet would make for even better contests, (imagine if Samoa had Matulino & Leuluai yesterday?)
 
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Just ask Fifa what are the benefits of taking a world cup to South Africa, Granted Football is their main game over there , but the Rugby people would attend the Rugby world cup by way of curiosity and if the SRU gave Union players dispensation ( backs Im thinking and some of there more Mobile forwards ) this thing would go nuts over there and we'd have a future nation to bump there way up the ladder.

Just look at the way the Blacks support the NZ Rugby team over there , the same kind of outlet for them in Rugby league would see some growth in the black population playing Rugby league......another political page in the history of the game.

Go for it you dicks
 
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It would be far easier and make more sense to grow the game in a country that plays Union than taking it to North America or Asia.
 
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It would be far easier and make more sense to grow the game in a country that plays Union than taking it to North America or Asia.
I disagree to a certain extent.

Just suppose that either version of rugby got a tiny foothold in China, the USA or Russia for instance - if it became their second or third sport they would dominate internationally (which is why the NZRU doesn't actually want rugby to be a global sport, despite having to say that it does publically.)[DOUBLEPOST=1383025621][/DOUBLEPOST]
It would be far easier and make more sense to grow the game in a country that plays Union than taking it to North America or Asia.
Although I do agree that the pacific nations are a league market waiting to be tapped.

I love the idea of the kiwis playing regular tests with them.
 
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