General If we lose two more what happens to Maloney?

rugged

1st Grade Fringe
May 1, 2012
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So if we lose two more games even the mathamatical chance of the semis is gone. If this happens do we continue to pick Maloney? If it happens I think either Carlos lor Pita have to be given game time. I just have a sneaking suspicion that we won't be that ruthless. Remember when Bennett dropped Hodges to the feeder club cos he has signed with the Roosters?
 

Robster

Warriors Bench Player
May 13, 2012
324
You can't just drop a player because the season is over. However it would make sense to give some new blood a run. All I care as a fan since 1995 is winning a premiership. So if the means giving some rookies experience for next year then I'm all for it.
 

rugged

1st Grade Fringe
May 1, 2012
1,856
You can't just drop a player because the season is over
Why on earth not? If the guy is not going to be here next year I see no reason not to give some experience to the younger guys. If this season is over then the remaining games are all about getting some things prepared for next season
 

Hitman82

1st Grade Fringe
May 18, 2012
3,963
Wellington
As soon as we are mathematically gone, I would drop Brown and Maloney. Hell, I'd drop Brown regardless.
 

Numbnutsnz

1st Grade Fringe
May 4, 2012
498
It's not going to happen. The club doesn't treat players like that and nor should they. Do you want Luck dropped as well after everything he's done for the club?
 
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wallacenz

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
7,328
It's not going to happen. The club doesn't treat players like that and nor should they. Do you want Luck dropped as well after everything he's done for the club?
Definitely. On radio sport Luck has made it extremely clear his priority is leaving the game healthy. I dont think he would care if he was stood down for the last 3 games of the season. Maloney and Brown havent been great this season, its unfortunate that they are leaving the club on such a downer. But imo the club should use the opportunity to give some players some experience.
 

tajhay

Bird Gang to Warrior
Mar 30, 2012
9,733
Sydney
Maloney, Luck, Brown have been good servants for the club and have played with their heart on their sleeve, and shed blood for the jersey. As long as their form holds, they should be allowed to play out the season. That said, we should also try to blood new players by way of the interchange for next season and see how they go. I believe this weeks naming of Tuimavave(who last week travelled to Perth) was to see how the youngster would go in the NRL, especially since he is offcontract for next year.
 
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Warriorholic

1st Grade Fringe
May 4, 2012
516
Palmerston North
What tajhay said, these guys have spent years at the club given thier all and have made life time friends and now you want thier last remaining memory of the club to be, when they got told to piss off. We have a whole offseason and preseason to work out combos and try new players. I thought warriors fans would have a bit more loyalty and honour than other clubs, I guess not....
 

Hitman82

1st Grade Fringe
May 18, 2012
3,963
Wellington
It's not going to happen. The club doesn't treat players like that and nor should they. Do you want Luck dropped as well after everything he's done for the club?
It's actually extremely logical - and they should. if Luck can get back to full fitness, I'd play him while we still have a mathematical chance of making the 8. If not, I'd still give Luck a swansong in the final game of our season, as he's been a great club servant.

Maloney and Brown have not given us half the service Luck has, and do not deserve to be played simply for old time's sake.

Brown has been in shit form most of this season anyway - young Ikahihifo showed more in his debut than Brown has this whole year. If Ikahihifo is dropped to allow Brown a few more mediocre performances for us, I'm going to be pretty pissed off.

Maloney must play until we are sure things to miss the 8, because he's our best in that position. Once we are out of contention for the 8, play Godinet. He's our halves cover now, and he requires more experience. Even just for half a game, it'd be worthwhile.

I would much prefer the club based selections on logic rather than emotion.
 

Hitman82

1st Grade Fringe
May 18, 2012
3,963
Wellington
What tajhay said, these guys have spent years at the club given thier all and have made life time friends and now you want thier last remaining memory of the club to be, when they got told to piss off. We have a whole offseason and preseason to work out combos and try new players. I thought warriors fans would have a bit more loyalty and honour than other clubs, I guess not....
Maybe I'm a sociopath, but this is how I like to imagine team selection in professional sports should work:

1 Form
2 Match-specific strategy
3 Development
4 Emotion
 

wallacenz

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
7,328
It's actually extremely logical - and they should. if Luck can get back to full fitness, I'd play him while we still have a mathematical chance of making the 8. If not, I'd still give Luck a swansong in the final game of our season, as he's been a great club servant.

Maloney and Brown have not given us half the service Luck has, and do not deserve to be played simply for old time's sake.

Brown has been in shit form most of this season anyway - young Ikahihifo showed more in his debut than Brown has this whole year. If Ikahihifo is dropped to allow Brown a few more mediocre performances for us, I'm going to be pretty pissed off.

Maloney must play until we are sure things to miss the 8, because he's our best in that position. Once we are out of contention for the 8, play Godinet. He's our halves cover now, and he requires more experience. Even just for half a game, it'd be worthwhile.

I would much prefer the club based selections on logic rather than emotion.
I agree..and Maloney chose to leave the Warriors. From what I've heard they tried throwing massive money at him, more than other clubs were offering. He didnt want to stay here but his careers far from over.
 

ToiletDuck

Dr Faggot
Contributor
Mar 30, 2012
3,368
Auckland
I think there has to be a balance. I can totally see what Hitman is saying, from a development perspective it doesn't make sense to keep these guys running around for the final few games. And some NRL time prior to a full off-season can be pretty useful to give these guys an idea as to what's required, rather than having them debut in rounds 1-5 (Hurrell, Henry) and having to wait until mid-season for them to come to grips with it.

Personally I've wondered what the overall value of the team is going to be in bringing Luck back for a couple of games (if we can't make the 8). Great for him to play a few final games with the boys, and if his replacement is only going to be Elijah Taylor then by all means have Luck play. Though we didn't think any less of Steve Price because he didn't run back out again even when we expected him to, and whether Michael plays between here and round 26 won't change my opinion of him.

I don't think they all need be totally dropped, but certainly having a few guys on the bench etc would be a smart move. I'd prefer that over waiting for the trial games..
 
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rugged

1st Grade Fringe
May 1, 2012
1,856
I raised this question specifically around Maloney because he has indicated his overwhelming desire is to be closer to family. Surely he would rather be back in Sydney earlier rather then playing a few extra meaningless games?

As for questioning loyalty my loyalty is ALAWAYS to the club first and the players secondary. By putting players interests ahead of the clubs is that not more disloyal? I openly admit it is a harsh thing to do but I would expect any professional sportsman to understand. Hodges got dropped to the feeder club when he he announced he was leaving the broncos, he obviously understood why as he re-signed with the broncos down the track.

No one has questioned maloneys loyalty for deciding to leave and this is correct. But
Iikewise no should question the clubs loyalty to James if they were able to negotiate an early release to get him back to Sydney. It is not at all uncommon for employees to be paid out rather then being forced to work their notice, this does not mean the employer is disloyal, just moving on

Edit people also forget that Maloney asked for a release at the end of last season aand was turned down. . Asking for an early release kind of dampens the "he bled for the club" romanticism that some are viewing his tenure with. Once again I don't blame him for this but think such things should be considered.
 
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Mr Frank White

Warriors 1st Grader
May 19, 2012
3,424
Maloney and Brown have not given us half the service Luck has, and do not deserve to be played simply for old time's sake.

Brown has been in shit form most of this season anyway - young Ikahihifo showed more in his debut than Brown has this whole year. If Ikahihifo is dropped to allow Brown a few more mediocre performances for us, I'm going to be pretty pissed off.
Your post lost all credibility after the above paragraph
 

fanrrior

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 10, 2012
2,379
christchurch
The best team needs to be played regardless of whether or not we are a mathematical chance of reaching the top 8 imo.

We are still a mathematical chance of getting the wooden spoon so it is crucial we don't give up just because we won't be making the finals.
 

Moz

1st Grade Fringe
May 9, 2012
582
Gold Coast
yup blood someone else for next season I reckon allowing them as much time in first grade before next season can only benefit the player, the team and his halves partner. As long as it done with class and Maloney is given a send off befitting his service to the club. He'd probably like to spend time in Bondi with his family before preseason with the Roosters anyway.
 

Raurimu Massive

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 26, 2012
2,874
Whangarei
What tajhay said, these guys have spent years at the club given thier all and have made life time friends and now you want thier last remaining memory of the club to be, when they got told to piss off. We have a whole offseason and preseason to work out combos and try new players. I thought warriors fans would have a bit more loyalty and honour than other clubs, I guess not....
I'm not disagreeing with your statement bro, but it'd be nice if this bit in bold actually happened. Seems to be a bloody foreign concept in the Warriors lately. Instead of PT running up and down hills in parks, just spend a couple of hours hitting a tackle bag and getting straight back up and retreating 10m as a unit; run up and down the field practicing draw and pass manoeuvres; hour after hour rehearsing last tackle options... etc etc etc
 

wallacenz

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
7,328
I'm not disagreeing with your statement bro, but it'd be nice if this bit in bold actually happened. Seems to be a bloody foreign concept in the Warriors lately. Instead of PT running up and down hills in parks, just spend a couple of hours hitting a tackle bag and getting straight back up and retreating 10m as a unit; run up and down the field practicing draw and pass manoeuvres; hour after hour rehearsing last tackle options... etc etc etc
Id also add to that that, at this time of the season the teams still in the hunt (most we will be playing) are pretty much playing finals footy for positions. Its an opportunity to give these guys experience playing the game at its toughest. It may identify the players who are capable of handling the pressure and intensity for next year.. hit the ground running as opposed to the perpetual "rebuild" when the trials form players fail in the regular season.
 

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