General Guilt vs Innocence

Mr Frank White

Warriors 1st Grader
May 19, 2012
3,424
Not Guilty is not the same as innocent.
Ahh that old ignorant cliche.. Actually that's exactly what it means in legal terms. In Latin the saying is " Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat" which is where we get "innocent until proven guilty", the cornerstone of the western justice system..

Ranger wasn't proven guilty, ergo he is innocent..
 

Spence

Sgt. Pepper
Mar 31, 2012
1,230
Auckland, New Zealand
Yes, and the corner stone of Western justice was first developed in Ancient Greece, where men such as Gorgias taught rhetoric language to sway courts. 'Tis the same now - a good lawyer can help make someone that isn't innocent found not guilty.
 

charlie bobmarley

1st Grade Fringe
May 16, 2012
599
Gold Coast
Ahh that old ignorant cliche.. Actually that's exactly what it means in legal terms. In Latin the saying is " Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat" which is where we get "innocent until proven guilty", the cornerstone of the western justice system..

Ranger wasn't proven guilty, ergo he is innocent..
you're right, he's as innocent as OJ Simpson.
 

¿N. ig-mah¿

Warriors 1st Grader
May 1, 2012
6,081
Invercargill
Ahh that old ignorant cliche.. Actually that's exactly what it means in legal terms. In Latin the saying is " Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat" which is where we get "innocent until proven guilty", the cornerstone of the western justice system..

Ranger wasn't proven guilty, ergo he is innocent..
Isn't the whole reason they call it "not guilty" vs "innocent" for the simple fact that they have only proven a possibility that someone else may have commited the crime, or that the crime may not have taken place (or a lack of evidence of guilt), thereby it is only a lack of proof of guilt as opposed to any proof of innocence.

To me "innocent until proven guilty" has always been a catch-phrase of the defence lawyers, rather than a real rule of law. Anyone with any brains knows its simply doubt over proof of guilt. You can still walk away with a "not guilty" ruling and be the one who did it (and even have everyone know you did it).

"Innocent until proven guilty" just opens our government and legal system up to a million cases of compensation for incorrect incarceration.
 

a.c.e

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 12, 2012
400
Soooooooooooooooooooooo hes innocent? Acquitted of all charges? Free man? Sign him up! Put him on a short leash (1yr) minimum money so he can work his way to a bigger contract. Throw in some incentives if hes a good boy on and off the field. Its win win really. Put him in either centre or wing. Should be some fun times when he breaks that first tackle.
 

Lego_Man

Illuminatus
Mar 30, 2012
782
In Scotland they have 3 verdicts available for juries: "Guilty", "Not Guilty", and "Not Proven".

Something tells me that under that system Ewen Macdonald probably would have ended up with a "Not Proven."
 

Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 30, 2012
7,789
In Scotland they have 3 verdicts available for juries: "Guilty", "Not Guilty", and "Not Proven".

Something tells me that under that system Ewen Macdonald probably would have ended up with a "Not Proven."
Yes, but they also have a wife-beating competition in the highland games and eat deep-fried dog turds up there.
 

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