General Global Warming

HD_old

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Why did you create another thread for this. You could have returned to the thread you created and ran away from the other day, surely?

Also why not articulate your views and arguments yourself. Instead of relying on other peoples videos, articles and work? If you understand the Science and are educated on the issue and facts, like you're trying to portray, you could put forward sound science and argument. You wouldn't need to trawl Youtube for videos to explain your position for you.

650 scientists is about 0.0000001% of the worlds Scientists. And that 650 don't even specialise in the field! I'll find you 6000 "scientists" who believe in creation.

People who deny the climate changes and that mans activities can and do effect this, are just daft.

"The amount of disenting Scientists does not amaze me"... LMAO. Never heard anything funnier. 650 "scientists" globally. It doesn't amaze me either, I expected them to be such a tiny tiny fragment, and they are, probably even less represented than i thought! Haha.

The guy who made the video is an indoctrinated imbecile too. Another crazy Yank whos understanding of the world is based on what's been relayed to him by Fox News and corrupt government. That whole "freedom" loving, free market super capitalist patriotic section of America is the most dangerous and worrying in the Western world. Like one huge religious cult.

Watching that Liberal video literally makes me sick. For a start he doesn't understand what a Liberal is, similar to the OP. For a second he's just an insane dickhead who never read a book. Literally the arguments are so ****ing profound that you wouldn't either bother engaging such lunacy. He wouldn't pass High School political science. But that's probably another "Liberal" conspiracy, keeping the inbred freedom lovers down. Despite the fact the Education system is run by Republicans lol.

Let me put it this way, if the Brits and Europeans of the time were good little patriots, like this Battlefield dickhead, America wouldn't exist. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. He's a hypocrite. A hypocrite is someone who criticises another persons crimes, but refuses to look at his own.

I think what's most worrying about America as a country is that even their Left-wing would be considered centre-right in most civilised Democracies. Here's something printed in an American newspaper the other day, by a retiring Journalist.

545 vs. 300,000,000 People
-By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 235 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.

I excluded all but the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.

No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislation's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Don't you see how the con game that is played on the people by the politicians? Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of Tip O'Neill, who stood up and criticized Ronald Reagan for creating deficits.

The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating appropriations and taxes.

O'neill is the speaker of the House. He is the leader of the majority party. He and his fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetos it, they can pass it over his veto.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 235 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in Lebanon, it's because they want them in Lebanon.

There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take it.

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people and they alone are responsible. They and they alone have the power. They and they alone should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided they have the gumption to manage their own employees.

This article was first published by the Orlando Sentinel Star newspaper

But yeah, the non-existant liberals are to blame for all of Americas woes.
 

Ryan_old

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I have to agree with the sentiment, why is there another thread on this merely moments after the last lost it's momentum? Troll-ish, anyone?
 

BigD_old

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lol have a look at the videos created by that guy...

https://www.youtube.com/user/Battlefield315

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgHGmB4kqOg&feature=related
that one tries to make it as if liberals hate america and dont have pride in the country lol....amazing that retards like the creator of the videos exist....


Thats awesome Taj..

Man Im pissed of with Global warming aka..now called Climate Change

I have a BSc in Phys Geography from Massey plus post grad

I respect my teachers of Pass, who stated on my Fail assignment one time.

"There is no Emperical evidence that anthropogenic causes, cause Climate Change"

Yeah its a Big Issue with me..It gets me upset.

Giving away Taxpayer money to support 3rd world countries, so they can rage wars
with aK47s & dictator Palaces really pisses me off..
 

Northern_Union

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Is New Zealand the only country with an ETS? I've asked this question of two former MP's and neither could answer me so i'll ask it here, where is New Zealands ETS money going?
 

Northern_Union

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Do you need perfect grammar and spelling to graduate from uni?
 

Ryan_old

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Do you need perfect grammar and spelling to graduate from uni?
Totally. Perfect isn't the right word for it though. You'd need to be passable. Check the criteria of any bachelors course, especially something as technical as what BigD is claiming. There's no way he'd get through it, if he writes anything like what he does like on this forum.
 

Northern_Union

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Fair enough. With my grammar and spelling i'd wash out of Kindy so i'm in no position to comment, critique or question.
 

Ryan_old

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Fair enough. With my grammar and spelling i'd wash out of Kindy so i'm in no position to comment, critique or question.
I don't have any issues with your spelling or grammar, for the record. Sometimes you write stuff that is very hard to understand, but hey, we get through that. University degrees have to be stringent, because knowledge means little unless you can communicate properly.
 

Fazz_old

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Epic essay

Guys I know HD from another forum and trust me, when he gets into it enough to write something of this length 9/10 he knows more on the subject and you don't have a winning. The other 1/10 he's drunk posting. hahaha
 

BigD_old

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I don't have any issues with your spelling or grammar, for the record. Sometimes you write stuff that is very hard to understand, but hey, we get through that. University degrees have to be stringent, because knowledge means little unless you can communicate properly.

Ah Remember , with Socialism . The purpose is to dumb down Society.

Maybe you escaped that
 

BigD_old

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That means I can sue NZ Govnt & get Student loan money back
 

HD_old

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Ah Remember , with Socialism . The purpose is to dumb down Society.

Maybe you escaped that

The purpose of Socialism is common ownership and control of production and resources. Socialism historically has led to better educated Societies. Millions of Students across Europe do not protest increases in Education fees because Socialism has dumbed them down and they don't care about Education.

It's got nothing to do with dumbing anything or anyone down, you indoctrinated buffoon.

BigD said:
I have a BSc in Phys Geography from Massey plus post grad

I respect my teachers of Pass, who stated on my Fail assignment one time.

"There is no Emperical evidence that anthropogenic causes, cause Climate Change"

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When you need to lie to defend a viewpoint lol. Worse still you're entering in fallacy in the process :biggrin1: argumentum ad verecundiam

BigD said:
Giving away Taxpayer money to support 3rd world countries, so they can rage wars
with aK47s & dictator Palaces really pisses me off..

Which 3rd world countries do we give Taxpayers money to, in the way of the support? When governments and companies 'give' money to 3rd world countries, what you're often seeing is investment veiled as Charity. There's nothing goodwilled or ethical about it, it's control of economies, industry and often governments, by proxy. There's been much research into this, I believe for every dollar "given" by America, they see a return of $1.30 cents.

Throw out some examples of these 3rd world countries, the money given and how it's being put to use.

Anyway as you hate Socialism I have a question... What do you think about Co-Optation, Welfare, Universal Healthcare etc in relation to the Free Market?

"A co-opting or less frequently co-optation most commonly refers to action performed in a number of fields whereby an opponent is nullified or neutralized by absorption but there are other distinct senses as well."

The argument that the Free Market leads to a state of inequality by nature... In the process, naturally, an underclass is created. The underclass becomes uncontent with the system and what they perceive to be inequality, and rise up. The only way to prevent said uprising, to nullify it, would be the creation of the welfare state. Keeping people content and dependant upon the system. As can be seen historically in most nations. Without and often with regulation we also see an Oligopoly in which a small number of big businesses and people dominate the Market and use their dominance to influence and exert power. They arrogate to themselves a monopoly of force. Again the only way to prevent or limit this would be through regulation and "Socialism", which is an oxymoron.

That in actuality the Welfare state and everything 'Liberal' and 'Socialist' that you hate, is not a creation of well meaning left wing hippies and commies, not a creation of the "Liberal elite"(They don't exist), but the creation of 'Capitalists' who recognise without it their power and wealth would cease to exist, as it serves and acts as a pacifier to the underclass.

The argument that the Socialist Welfare state is infact an accomodation on behalf of the ruling class. Regulation, welfare and free health care is the only thing keeping Capitalism alive in any capacity. And TPTB moved away from Free Market true Capitalism for good reason. The people hated it and revolted. Even in America, a nation built on Capitalistic and Invidual ideas, people rose up.

Free Markets are a logical fallacy, and always lead to a state and some level of "Socialism", on the back of their natural instabilities. At one stage or another they'll always need to be repaired or regulated. See the current Economic Crisis caused by housing market instabilities and ridiculous credit schemes, as a relevant example. Or these so-called "charitable donations", needed to maintain our Western lifestyle and luxuries.

Basically almost everything "Socialist" and "Liberal" that you hate is carried out and implemented by your own team. What do you make of that?

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HD_old

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Guys I know HD from another forum and trust me, when he gets into it enough to write something of this length 9/10 he knows more on the subject and you don't have a winning. The other 1/10 he's drunk posting. hahaha

Haha, I don't drink much anymore. Maybe twice a month at best.

To be fair you don't need to know much about the subject to know 600 scientists is a drop in the ****ing ocean lol :dizzy:
 

Northern_Union

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Anyone got any ideas where the ETS money is going and if NZ is the only country employing the scheme?
 

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