General Fighting Flight

mosh_old

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There is phenomena called flight. Flight is a very strange friend, it appears when the heart starts pumping past 160 beats per minutes when you can start to count the pulse beating through the veins on your forehead. Flight increases breathing by 200% and the epinephrine starts releasing adrenaline like prostitutes in Hunters Corner in Papatoetoe.
Ever found yourself shivering and shaking for 20 minutes after someone who was racing an orange traffic light rams into the front of your car?

Anyway what I am getting at is that I think we should start practicing after we make a line break. We do not have problems making line breaks and infact the whole backline made a linebreak at some time including some of the forwards like Koopu, Price, Guttenbiel and Tuimavave. The problem is we cannot finish properly.

Maybe we should start practicing what happens after we make a line break and how players support each other, how we pass and how we get the damn ball over the line.

We just gave away trys today, Sione made a handful of breaks but then the options he took weren't good enough to finish. Toopi made a great break but then kicked and allowed the Manly players to come back on defence. Louis Anderson made a great line break but there was no support so he had to take the tackle. Todd Byrne combining with Sione Faumuina made another line break and Todd Byrne panicked and threw the ball 5m forward to Ah Van. Sione Faumuina threw the ball flat, at best, to Wiki who should have scored running into a gaping hole.

I think we would have excuted better if we just took a few seconds and chose better options and the only way you can do that is if you practice what you do when you make a line break. It would be nice to see Ivan also having players running in support when someone makes a line break so we have options both side to pass and make sure we GET to the try line when we make a line break.

If we took all the oppertunities we had today, we would have won by atleast 14 points.
 

Sinbad_old

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Well spoke Mosh I agree. The finishing isn't there at the moment, Too many Brain storms and indivual attempts to finish instead of handing off or taking the correct option. This is able to be taught and I also think that training in this area is needed. I also think that it does come with time in the position, and there does seem to be alot of swapping about, it not only confuses the oposition but also seems to confuse our players as well!

Big ups to Pricey playing the whole first half! How many other props in the NRL can do that ? Must be a shoo in for the trinations squad as the Aussies seem to be short on good props at the mo.

I remember back in the dark ages being told by my old coach that "back to basics" is always the best policy when you are not a team that is performing.
 

Iafeta_old

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We bombed tries through poor communication and poor trust. No doubt if Toopi and Koopu look to their right hand side, we're in under the sticks on both occasions. A player is not the logical choice, he needs to selflessly ensure he better improves his position or does not make a call. If a player is in the best position, he needs to demand the ball. If the men on the right hand side of those players had demanded the ball, with the way momentum in the game went I'm sure most of this discussion would be fish and chip paper and we'd be 3 and 2 and on 2 competition points. Similarly a player not in a position can communicate to the ball player where the correct option is and assist the loss of composure caused by the thrill of the line break.

Its the same in defence, you must communicate and work together. Especially out wide, and at marker. One marker needs to assume responsibility both through words and gestures - I'm going this way.

There are simulations you can do in pre-season to improve that, video sessions to raise awareness, trust building sessions etc.
 

AmeriKiwi_old

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Mosh said:
There is phenomena called flight. Flight is a very strange friend, it appears when the heart starts pumping past 160 beats per minutes when you can start to count the pulse beating through the veins on your forehead. Flight increases breathing by 200% and the epinephrine starts releasing adrenaline like prostitutes in Hunters Corner in Papatoetoe.
Ever found yourself shivering and shaking for 20 minutes after someone who was racing an orange traffic light rams into the front of your car?

Anyway what I am getting at is that I think we should start practicing after we make a line break. We do not have problems making line breaks and infact the whole backline made a linebreak at some time including some of the forwards like Koopu, Price, Guttenbiel and Tuimavave. The problem is we cannot finish properly.

Maybe we should start practicing what happens after we make a line break and how players support each other, how we pass and how we get the damn ball over the line.

We just gave away trys today, Sione made a handful of breaks but then the options he took weren't good enough to finish. Toopi made a great break but then kicked and allowed the Manly players to come back on defence. Louis Anderson made a great line break but there was no support so he had to take the tackle. Todd Byrne combining with Sione Faumuina made another line break and Todd Byrne panicked and threw the ball 5m forward to Ah Van. Sione Faumuina threw the ball flat, at best, to Wiki who should have scored running into a gaping hole.

I think we would have excuted better if we just took a few seconds and chose better options and the only way you can do that is if you practice what you do when you make a line break. It would be nice to see Ivan also having players running in support when someone makes a line break so we have options both side to pass and make sure we GET to the try line when we make a line break.

If we took all the oppertunities we had today, we would have won by atleast 14 points.

Hey Corey, check this out!! I`m agreeing with Mosh!! :D
 

warriors4life_old

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Yes, I think you are right Mosh. Ivan Cleary needs to put this kind of training on top of his to do list after today's performance. Too often a player made a break and had no support, or took a poor option. If the players can practise and come synonomous with what to do when you make a line break then when a linebreak is made next time, the player will know who is on his outside supporting him, will know when to take a kick and chase and when not too, and will ultimately benefit the Warriors in the long run, as it would have done today had they picked their options are bit more carefully.
 

Kiwi League_old

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I thought Fien had a great game, & the backs schemed nicely - Webb and Toopi again prominent - but some of the forwards are playing without confidence. There was no real sting when taking the ball up. Villa had no impact, Koopu was dead quiet apart from one bust where he ended up taking the wrong option, Wiki was solid but nothing more, Luck, Guttenbiel & Anderson turned in basically workhorse efforts.
Price was far and away the best forward; he just found away to make some extra metres where the others 'surrender'. (Although Kylie L rung his bell on one lazy carry).
Sione looked like he could bust the game open but was in 2 minds about what to do too many times. I think stand-off plays on his mind too much - get him back in the 2nd row.
 

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