General Corruption in the NSW Police

dean

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Mar 13, 2016
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The key piece of evidence that got very little publicity...

… mainly because the Auckland Star editor, who hated cops, did a Donald Trump and kept on raving about the bullets....which was fair enough because that part was true...

… the evidence was that many farmers in those days had rubbish tips, usually over the back of the farm.

Thomas had an old trailer with a broken stub axle. The break was nice and clean, straight through.

Half the stub axle remained in the tip, somehow the other half ended up weighing one of the bodies in the Waikato River.

Funny you might think?

So did both juries.

The prosecution hammered it mercilessly through both trials, and made sure every morning the two halves of the axle were placed on the bench in front of the jury.

Now just consider yourself as a jury member, spending all day listening to endless bullshit, and right in front of you were these two half stub axles.

Tell me honestly what you would think, and would you have any doubt the prick was guilty?

… and further with all the headlines about the planted bullets...and the Auckland Star being the local version of Fox News, the press (and the public) paid little attention to the stub axles...

… and further with the massive amount of bleating Thomas and his supporters made, they never mentioned the stub axles, although as time wore on and it got more mention they turned to conspiracy theories like the Detective who was first on the scene did it.

One of their theories was that the Detective had a crush on the woman, (he didn't even know her) so he went to the tip and took half the axle, then murdered them both, and used the axle to weigh the guy down in the river....just to frame Thomas...who he did not know either!!!

A problem with that theory was that it surfaced years afterwards and after the Detective had long died.

Also, there were many very strange stories about the dead woman's father, and who fed the poor child for many days before the bodies were discovered.

So yes ladies and jellybeans, there were many strange happenings around that murder, the planted bullets being particularly stupid.

However, to this very day nobody has explained how how half a stub axle made it from a tip over the back of Thomas's farm to weighing down one of the bodies in the Waikato River.

… and neither did the Royal Commission...

Next question, how does Bruce know all this?

Bruce is a train spotter, knows heaps of lawyers, and all of this was well known and available in court transcripts...but that was a very long time ago.
The stub axles found on the Thomas farm were planted by the Police just like the bullet was because the Police had decided Thomas was the murderer and they needed evidence to support their theory, so they manufactured it, planted it etc. He was convicted because of false Police evidence, twice, until finally the Police crimes were uncovered and he was pardoned.
 

Pricey

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Mar 2, 2016
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Next question, how does Bruce know all this?

Bruce is a train spotter, knows heaps of lawyers, and all of this was well known and available in court transcripts...but that was a very long time ago.
I thought you were going to say Bruce is a member of the Ancient council of Druids or you that you are the only person ever to claim the million dollars from the amazing Randy
 
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bruce

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The stub axles found on the Thomas farm were planted by the Police
That is a conspiracy theory dreamed up much later.

There was strong evidence the bullets were planted, a virtual own goal.

There was absolutely no evidence the stub axle was planted, and I know you don't have any.

Apart from that the logistics are crazy.

A now dead detective who lived and worked in Otahuhu, had never met either of the victims, manages to go onto the farm, walk all over it looking for something in it to weigh the bodies down, and then returns at night to murder the couple to frame a guy he had never met, because he was shagging one of the victims?

and...all without being noticed... in Pukekawa the Ozarks of the lower Waikato?

Also, the defence lawyer for the first trial, an eminent QC presented a quite believable theory that the dead guy, who apparently was prone to use his fists, was sitting at the table looking at a pile of bills, got grumpy and belted his wife, who went and got the gun, and from the kitchen drilled him, and then in despair shot herself.

The juries didn't buy that either.

So many believed he presented a sound case, but the Fox news of Auckland decided to rubbish his efforts as well.

I thought you were going to say Bruce is a member of the Ancient council of Druids or you that you are the only person ever to claim the million dollars from the amazing Randy
Never heard of either.

the Police had decided Thomas was the murderer and they needed evidence to support their theory
Actually, and as a train spotter Bruce has read a lot about this case over the past 50 years. Thomas was never a suspect.

The father of the dead woman was strongly suspected of involvement, and even now there are some serious questions about him, and his wife and their actions.

I recall reading an article about 10 years ago revisiting the case, the witnesses, the father ,his wife. It still is a real who dunnit in many regards.

However during months of major investigations Thomas name started cropping up. Nobody knew the fecker. So they had a closer look at him and that is what they found.

That is why the stub axle is so important, it either had to be planted or he did it. The planting theory is as crazy an idea as one could dream up.

I can assure you, from what I have read, they guy who the Police could have framed, and much more easily was the father, so why pick on Thomas?
 

Worried2Death

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Mar 6, 2016
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That is a conspiracy theory dreamed up much later.

There was strong evidence the bullets were planted, a virtual own goal.

There was absolutely no evidence the stub axle was planted, and I know you don't have any.

Apart from that the logistics are crazy.

A now dead detective who lived and worked in Otahuhu, had never met either of the victims, manages to go onto the farm, walk all over it looking for something in it to weigh the bodies down, and then returns at night to murder the couple to frame a guy he had never met, because he was shagging one of the victims?

and...all without being noticed... in Pukekawa the Ozarks of the lower Waikato?

Also, the defence lawyer for the first trial, an eminent QC presented a quite believable theory that the dead guy, who apparently was prone to use his fists, was sitting at the table looking at a pile of bills, got grumpy and belted his wife, who went and got the gun, and from the kitchen drilled him, and then in despair shot herself.

The juries didn't buy that either.

So many believed he presented a sound case, but the Fox news of Auckland decided to rubbish his efforts as well.


Never heard of either.


Actually, and as a train spotter Bruce has read a lot about this case over the past 50 years. Thomas was never a suspect.

The father of the dead woman was strongly suspected of involvement, and even now there are some serious questions about him, and his wife and their actions.

I recall reading an article about 10 years ago revisiting the case, the witnesses, the father ,his wife. It still is a real who dunnit in many regards.

However during months of major investigations Thomas name started cropping up. Nobody knew the fecker. So they had a closer look at him and that is what they found.

That is why the stub axle is so important, it either had to be planted or he did it. The planting theory is as crazy an idea as one could dream up.

I can assure you, from what I have read, they guy who the Police could have framed, and much more easily was the father, so why pick on Thomas?
The other mystery here is why Bruce refers to himself in the third person while talking to himself, ask him to tell us will you?
 

Gizzyfan

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Jan 2, 2013
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That is a conspiracy theory dreamed up much later.

There was strong evidence the bullets were planted, a virtual own goal.

There was absolutely no evidence the stub axle was planted, and I know you don't have any.

Apart from that the logistics are crazy.

A now dead detective who lived and worked in Otahuhu, had never met either of the victims, manages to go onto the farm, walk all over it looking for something in it to weigh the bodies down, and then returns at night to murder the couple to frame a guy he had never met, because he was shagging one of the victims?

and...all without being noticed... in Pukekawa the Ozarks of the lower Waikato?

Also, the defence lawyer for the first trial, an eminent QC presented a quite believable theory that the dead guy, who apparently was prone to use his fists, was sitting at the table looking at a pile of bills, got grumpy and belted his wife, who went and got the gun, and from the kitchen drilled him, and then in despair shot herself.

The juries didn't buy that either.

So many believed he presented a sound case, but the Fox news of Auckland decided to rubbish his efforts as well.


Never heard of either.


Actually, and as a train spotter Bruce has read a lot about this case over the past 50 years. Thomas was never a suspect.

The father of the dead woman was strongly suspected of involvement, and even now there are some serious questions about him, and his wife and their actions.

I recall reading an article about 10 years ago revisiting the case, the witnesses, the father ,his wife. It still is a real who dunnit in many regards.

However during months of major investigations Thomas name started cropping up. Nobody knew the fecker. So they had a closer look at him and that is what they found.

That is why the stub axle is so important, it either had to be planted or he did it. The planting theory is as crazy an idea as one could dream up.

I can assure you, from what I have read, they guy who the Police could have framed, and much more easily was the father, so why pick on Thomas?

I met a couple of Cops who were on that enquiry, well retired when I spoke to them. They were straight up guys who reckoned Thomas did it and that how he was portrayed publicly was very different to the real character. As for the bullet casings they couldn't say whether they were planted, but did say it was strange they were discovered in and area that had been well searched before.
 

bruce

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As for the bullet casings they couldn't say whether they were planted, but did say it was strange they were discovered in and area that had been well searched before.
By Ross Meurant, a very thorough detective.
 

dean

1st Grade Fringe
Mar 13, 2016
1,261
That is a conspiracy theory dreamed up much later.

There was strong evidence the bullets were planted, a virtual own goal.

There was absolutely no evidence the stub axle was planted, and I know you don't have any.

Apart from that the logistics are crazy.

A now dead detective who lived and worked in Otahuhu, had never met either of the victims, manages to go onto the farm, walk all over it looking for something in it to weigh the bodies down, and then returns at night to murder the couple to frame a guy he had never met, because he was shagging one of the victims?

and...all without being noticed... in Pukekawa the Ozarks of the lower Waikato?

Also, the defence lawyer for the first trial, an eminent QC presented a quite believable theory that the dead guy, who apparently was prone to use his fists, was sitting at the table looking at a pile of bills, got grumpy and belted his wife, who went and got the gun, and from the kitchen drilled him, and then in despair shot herself.

The juries didn't buy that either.

So many believed he presented a sound case, but the Fox news of Auckland decided to rubbish his efforts as well.


Never heard of either.


Actually, and as a train spotter Bruce has read a lot about this case over the past 50 years. Thomas was never a suspect.

The father of the dead woman was strongly suspected of involvement, and even now there are some serious questions about him, and his wife and their actions.

I recall reading an article about 10 years ago revisiting the case, the witnesses, the father ,his wife. It still is a real who dunnit in many regards.

However during months of major investigations Thomas name started cropping up. Nobody knew the fecker. So they had a closer look at him and that is what they found.

That is why the stub axle is so important, it either had to be planted or he did it. The planting theory is as crazy an idea as one could dream up.

I can assure you, from what I have read, they guy who the Police could have framed, and much more easily was the father, so why pick on Thomas?
The Royal Commission of Inquiry mentions finding the stub axles. Found in a similar manner to the bullet casing. Astonishing coincidence or planting?
Len Demler was a suspect, the father-in law but he was cast aside when they found Thomas, a somewhat simple man who thought he was helping the inquiry.
 
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bruce

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The Royal Commission of Inquiry mentions finding the stub axles. Found in a similar manner to the bullet casing. Astonishing coincidence or planting?
Len Demler was a suspect, the father-in law but he was cast aside when they found Thomas, a somewhat simple man who thought he was helping the inquiry.
No evidence for that at all.

The stub axle was from the farm, that could not be denied.

The other half was under the body in the river, that could not be denied.

HTF was it planted?

The Commission was set up by Muldoon. He found the Judge he wanted.

Judges do not like cops who plant evidence, which is fair enough, but it didn't change the facts surrounding the stub axle.

You don't mention the other evidence about Thomas, like how he had the hots for the wife...for years.
 
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