Sup42

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May 7, 2012
19,261
I heard nothing will change because the vaccine won't stop you getting covid, we will still have to quarantine people for two weeks before letting them into the community from overseas.
Things will change and they will change radically.

What you heard is partially true.

Vaccinated countries are forming travel bubbles with vaccine passports with other vaccinated countries.

There will be pretesting at the borders, that will not change.

People from high risk countries will likely still not be able to enter Vaccinated countries without proof of Vaccine or they gain entry as returning citizens.

The World is going to be an interesting place for a time with billions able to travel to select locations and billions not able to travel.

The CDC in America have cleared vaccinated Americans to travel without restriction domestically, that will eventually be expanded to international travel.

The UK are adopting a Vaccine passport model.

Quarantine then, will be severely reduced to a small allocation for NZ citizens who are from countries who have trouble getting Vaccine access.
 

Rick O'Shay

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May 1, 2013
4,005
New Plymouth
I'm in two minds with the bubble. Haven't seen the family for 16 months in Oz.

Options now are;

Go straight away

Wait for the jab then go in Winter with another trip for xmas

Wait for xmas

2 is my preference as long as I don't have to wait too long for the jab. Who knows what the situation will be by December
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
19,261
I'm in two minds with the bubble. Haven't seen the family for 16 months in Oz.

Options now are;

Go straight away

Wait for the jab then go in Winter with another trip for xmas

Wait for xmas

2 is my preference as long as I don't have to wait too long for the jab. Who knows what the situation will be by December
With the Jab, you shouldn't have any problems when they open it up to older adults.

You can book of course, however remember that they have spare at the centres to cater for walk ups,, so you could just rock up early on day one and will get in.

Obviously you have to get in before they use up the spares.
 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
9,295
Friggin idiots!!!! While I agree you're entitled to your opinion, sometimes it's better just to STFU!!! Hope they find who is responsible for printing this rubbish and fine them.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Wellington commuters face anti-mask propaganda on train​


"What's all the fuss about masks?" is the title of an official-looking pamphlet that was being thrust in the face of Wellington train commuters yesterday.

The flyer by Billy Te Kahika's group The Freedom Alliance, perfectly matched the Covid-19 colour scheme, came complete with Ministry of Health logos and even featured the director general of health.

"What's all the fuss about masks?" is the title of an official-looking pamphlet that was being thrust in the face of Wellington train commuters yesterday.

The flyer by Billy Te Kahika's group The Freedom Alliance, perfectly matched the Covid-19 colour scheme, came complete with Ministry of Health logos and even featured the director general of health.

It told commuters all the reasons masks were bad and provided them with an exemption card they were encouraged to use.

At Wellington station people were confused, concerned and supportive of the flyers.

"They should be able to prosecute the people that are doing it. They're impersonating the ministry, it's not legal," a passenger said.

Another commuter planned to read it but would take no notice of the advice, while others refused to take the pamphlet at all.

But some were supportive.

"I don't really know much, but from what I've looked into it's not black and white whether masks are actually effective, so I think it's good both sides are being communicated."

Volunteers for The Freedom Alliance positioned themselves at stations throughout the Wellington region on Tuesday handing out the flyer to commuters at peak hours.

One of them, Mike, a self-confessed conspiracy theorist, admitted he did not know they had not been approved by the ministry and had not actually read it.

"Well, this whole Covid thing is not just masks, it's everything. It's about the lockdown. It's about the vaccinations. This is only a tiny element."

He said the exemption card, which he had pinned to his shirt had come from the Ministry of Health and they had worked.

Mike was right - to a point.

Exemption cards can be downloaded from the website but are reserved for people who have a specific medical or health reason for not being able to wear a mask.

The Ministry of Health said the card was only being issued through Healthline and Disabled Persons Organisations for the small number of people with conditions preventing them from using a face covering.

"To help with this, an exemption card has been developed that can be shown when in public if necessary, for example, to transport operators.

"Users are not required to show the card, but they may feel comfortable showing something official that confirms they are exempt from wearing a face covering.

"We encourage Kiwis to do the right thing and work together to encourage fair and responsible use of the exemption card"

Jacqui Southey came across the group waiting in the dark at a Masterton station - they asked if she had heard "the latest about Covid?"

"I was actually like, 'well, no I haven't', so I accepted this information and carried on up to the main station platform where it was light I started to read and could see that it was a pamphlet basically full of nonsense and propaganda, and appearing to misuse logos and Ministry of Health information to try and look legitimate."

Southey said once onboard the train conductor announced the information was not official.

Passengers from across the Wairarapa, Lower Hutt and Wellington have reported being given the flyer.

Metlink general manager Scott Gallacher said they found out about the flyers on Tuesday morning and had notified Wellington's Regional Emergency office, the public health team and the ministry.

"Metlink continues to follow and promote the Government's advice so we can keep all of our valuable staff and passengers safe."

Gallacher said he hoped the material had not upset or influenced any passengers.

Southey said she took no notice of the advice but the messaging was extremely concerning.

"I'm quite angry actually.

"Angry that we need to trust our health system and we need to trust the information that's going out publicly.

"And on the whole, I feel we've been able to do that.

"So for the logos to be misused and for people to be almost tricked into taking this information or thinking it's official is really appalling."

Southey said the ministry needed to publicise that it had nothing to do with the pamphlets and that the information was wrong.

In a statement, the Government said people should only use trusted sources of information.

"Spreading misinformation in this way is dangerous and undermines the good work that everyone else has done to keep Covid-19 out of our communities.

"The best sources for accurate and reliable Covid-19 information are Unite Against Covid-19 website, Ministry of Health and trusted sources such as DHBs."

 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
9,295

Covid 19 coronavirus: Ted Nugent, who called Covid 'a hoax', admits he has the virus​

Ted Nugent, who has repeatedly called Covid-19 a "scam" and a "hoax", among other things, has contracted coronavirus.

The musician revealed his diagnosis on social media, adding that he has never felt so sick in his entire life.

Nugent had previously made headlines for saying coronavirus was "not a real pandemic", even though it very much is and more than three million people have died in just over a year from the virus.

In December, Nugent released a Christmas message on Facebook, calling Covid-19 a "scammy pandemic" and calling mask wearers "sheep".

On Monday, the Covid-denier singer revealed on Facebook live that he had caught coronavirus.

He said many people warned him against announcing his diagnosis.

"I have had flu symptoms for the last 10 days and I thought I was dying, just a clusterf***," he said.

"Today is the 19th of April 2021 during clusterf*** pandemic... I was tested positive today. I got the Chinese s***."

Nugent, an outspoken Trump supporter, referred to the virus as "Chinese s***" during his announcement, echoing Trump's "Chinese virus" speeches.

"My god, what a pain in the a**," he added, describing his symptoms.

Despite saying he "literally could hardly crawl out of bed the last few days", the musician says he still won't take the vaccine because "nobody knows what's in it".

More than three million people have died of Covid-19 in just over a year as the pandemic continues to kill thousands across the world every day.


So sad, too bad, never mind.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
19,261
Cases in India have tripled since we closed the border to them.

I guess if you are there you are stuck. There was a flight from Delhi to Hong Kong. All passengers provided negative pre departure tests.

Out of the plane load 53 cases have since developed in Quarantine!

This is the new hyper infectious Indian variant.
 
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wizards rage

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Apr 18, 2016
3,392
Tauranga
Cases in India have tripled since we closed the border to them.

I guess if you are there you are stuck. There was a flight from Delhi to Hong Kong. All passengers provided negative pre departure tests.

Out of the plane load 53 cases have since developed in Quarantine!

This is the new hyper infectious Indian variant.
Wow... they will get herd immunity soon with the vaccine!
 
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Sup42

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May 7, 2012
19,261
Wow... they will get herd immunity soon with the vaccine!
I wish there was better information out of India.

What they are describing at least anecdotally is this new plague, a transmutation of two types of Covid.

People becoming infected who have already survived old Covid.

Younger people sick thirties and forties.

India really needs to close it borders.

This new strain is outstripping the UK version of the virus.

No commentary on whether it is susceptible to the Vaccines.
 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
9,295
About the woman from the Airport who was a luggage handler who left her job this week and was on three news last night. For goodness sake, trying to blame the government when she and some of her work mates hadn‘t been tested for ages ... her last test was six months ago ... is ridiculous.

You work at the border, you know the rules and you decided to break them. Yes, the MOH should have better systems in place and her employer should have ensured they are all regularly tested and those results registered but YOU choose not to be tested. YOU decided to put yourself, your family and others at risk. It’s called being responsible and mature.

Pity NewsHub decided to grant her anonymity because I can‘t think of any employers who would want to employ her now.

 

Rick O'Shay

Warriors 1st Grader
May 1, 2013
4,005
New Plymouth
About the woman from the Airport who was a luggage handler who left her job this week and was on three news last night. For goodness sake, trying to blame the government when she and some of her work mates hadn‘t been tested for ages ... her last test was six months ago ... is ridiculous.

You work at the border, you know the rules and you decided to break them. Yes, the MOH should have better systems in place and her employer should have ensured they are all regularly tested and those results registered but YOU choose not to be tested. YOU decided to put yourself, your family and others at risk. It’s called being responsible and mature.

Pity NewsHub decided to grant her anonymity because I can‘t think of any employers who would want to employ her now.

Yes it is a disgrace and she and her workmates should be taken to task by the authorities for endangerment.

However, it doesn't alter the fact that the system should be robust and stringent enough at the border to ensure this type of situation can't happen.

In other words, who checks the checkers?
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
19,261
Anyone got any ideas on how we get the NZ citizens out of India safely?

I have been trying to think that one through, not that worrying about it is going to do any good.

The horrific humanitarian crisis unfolding there worsens by the day.

As it stands, if Kiwis need hospital they will just likely die.

That cannot be left to stand, we have to find a way to get them out.

Even if NZ sets up a Quarantine in India so that travellers can be quarantined for 14 days then returned home safely.

India who are not even testing properly just set the world record for daily cases.

Millions will die.

We would need to hire a suitable hotel, staff it exclusively with NZDF and fly out on Military transport.

Germany has done this for a number of countries, especially Italy to aid in the humanitatian crises.....but these are our actual citizens with our rights....
 

Rick O'Shay

Warriors 1st Grader
May 1, 2013
4,005
New Plymouth
Anyone got any ideas on how we get the NZ citizens out of India safely?

I have been trying to think that one through, not that worrying about it is going to do any good.

The horrific humanitarian crisis unfolding there worsens by the day.

As it stands, if Kiwis need hospital they will just likely die.

That cannot be left to stand, we have to find a way to get them out.

Even if NZ sets up a Quarantine in India so that travellers can be quarantined for 14 days then returned home safely.

India who are not even testing properly just set the world record for daily cases.

Millions will die.

We would need to hire a suitable hotel, staff it exclusively with NZDF and fly out on Military transport.

Germany has done this for a number of countries, especially Italy to aid in the humanitatian crises.....but these are our actual citizens with our rights....

Looks like we're shutting out Semi citizens (Those with PRs) but letting NZ passport holders back in.

 
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