snake77

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New Zealand is at 95 % single dosed and 93% double dosed.
These stats are impressive. A lot higher than most other countries who I recall were opening up at 70-80%.

Hopefully the stats remain high for the third dose. Getting one more shouldn't be too much of hassle compared to organising two. Also a lot easier now with pharmacies doing walk ins.

There will be some still hesitant as they only got the current doses due to mandates. Those will soon clock over to requiring 3 shots at some point.

I know Pfizer are adjusting the vaccine for omicron. Our original planning was to use a third dose of the original supplies. I do think there is some validity to the WHO about specific vaccines instead of just repeating the same doses, maybe worth at some point moving to a different supplier. That will test some people who are not against vaccines just that one. Ok fine we changed it roll up your sleave.

The WHO did say something along the lines about cannot keep vaccinating people. They meant the same dose. But at some point people will get fed up like we have seen with lock downs etc.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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More heavy duty virology, but some critical new discoveries.

Remember how we have been told the vaccinated spread the virus as much as the unvaccinated?

That study was wrong and these guys pull it apart, because that study looked at the wrong thing in the viral load, and it only measured one point in time.

The newest study looks specifically at the infectious part of the high viral loads and it is seriously reduced by the vaccines.

Well we know this don't we, Delta is struggling to take off here.

The key is to stop massive viral storms in public and everywhere there are collections of people, human behaviour.

If New Zealand goes in hard against omicron, and is somehow lucky enough to have time to vaccinate the 5-11s first, who knows....we might hold it back a lot.
 

J_P

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Aug 4, 2020
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These stats are impressive. A lot higher than most other countries who I recall were opening up at 70-80%.

Hopefully the stats remain high for the third dose. Getting one more shouldn't be too much of hassle compared to organising two. Also a lot easier now with pharmacies doing walk ins.

There will be some still hesitant as they only got the current doses due to mandates. Those will soon clock over to requiring 3 shots at some point.

I know Pfizer are adjusting the vaccine for omicron. Our original planning was to use a third dose of the original supplies. I do think there is some validity to the WHO about specific vaccines instead of just repeating the same doses, maybe worth at some point moving to a different supplier. That will test some people who are not against vaccines just that one. Ok fine we changed it roll up your sleave.

The WHO did say something along the lines about cannot keep vaccinating people. They meant the same dose. But at some point people will get fed up like we have seen with lock downs etc.
Keep in mind our 90+% numbers are off those who are eligible. Other countries numbers maybe overall. I believe we're still around 80% overall which is still impressive
Edit: according to this website we're doing better than any other western country.
Edit again: it seems to have changed again
 
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bruce

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But can you imagine someone with 23 mates infected with covid. I don't even have 23 mates lol
I have plenty of close friends, way more than 23.

They are all over the planet. I have one friend diagnosed with omicron two weeks ago in England, he is ok now.

I know of 3 others who are friends of friends who had covid, at the start, none in the southern hemisphere.

One got real sick, one died, one was ok.

I was watching the PGA golf from Brisbane today. Plenty of people there. None seemed to have covid.

I was watching the Ashes at Hobart. None seemed to have it there either.

Dr. Campbell still hasn't got it.

Clearly the hospitalization is a serious issue.

However if a typical Kiwi were to ignore the press, and didn't have elective surgery cancelled, would he sort of wonder just WTF the fuss was about?

That is a genuine question.
 

Sup42

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I have plenty of close friends, way more than 23.

They are all over the planet. I have one friend diagnosed with omicron two weeks ago in England, he is ok now.

I know of 3 others who are friends of friends who had covid, at the start, none in the southern hemisphere.

One got real sick, one died, one was ok.

I was watching the PGA golf from Brisbane today. Plenty of people there. None seemed to have covid.

I was watching the Ashes at Hobart. None seemed to have it there either.

Dr. Campbell still hasn't got it.

Clearly the hospitalization is a serious issue.

However if a typical Kiwi were to ignore the press, and didn't have elective surgery cancelled, would he sort of wonder just WTF the fuss was about?

That is a genuine question.

It will be interesting to see how this thread goes when it becomes a sick ward.

Our Oz ex pat compatriots are handling it well.

Just one bloke got hit ultra hard so far.

I know our chances of getting through are ridiculously high because we got vaccinated.

So there is certainly less to be worried about.

I probably shouldnt care what happens to the unvaxxed, but now the time is coming I realise despite all the anger and frustration with them I do care.
 

Inruin

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However if a typical Kiwi were to ignore the press, and didn't have elective surgery cancelled, would he sort of wonder just WTF the fuss was about?

That is a genuine question.
That's basically what some people up north I talked to think.

They don't watch the news because they think it's either propaganda, fake news or scare mongoring. They live isolated rurally and don't know anyone who has got covid. They think the lockdowns were a waste of time and an infringement on people's freedoms.

The fact that we have done well to minimise any outbreak and not have it through the community actually feeds in to these peoples believes. The lack of cases makes their thoughts real.
 

Sup42

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That's basically what some people up north I talked to think.

They don't watch the news because they think it's either propaganda, fake news or scare mongoring. They live isolated rurally and don't know anyone who has got covid. They think the lockdowns were a waste of time and an infringement on people's freedoms.

The fact that we have done well to minimise any outbreak and not have it through the community actually feeds in to these peoples believes. The lack of cases makes their thoughts real.

I was going to put a plug in for the Govt...ah what the hell...they basically spared us the entire pandemic and we had little epidemics and only saw one real wave that was crushed.

In doing so, they have created this bubble mindedness, this child like thinking...the peekaboo idiots clause.

That was not aimed at Bruce, I get where he is coming from, he is talking about a vaccinated New Zealand...the Tale of two pandemics.

Quite honestly those people up north are going to know dead people soon.

If you are unvaccinated way up there, and if we do cop a big hit, someone in town is gonna die because they did not vaccinate.

Too late then.

I think Omicron is going to be hell for some in this country, I really do. Well it will be worse here than Australia if we get their type of outbreak.

Not scare mongering here, because I am not talking about most of us.
 

Fonzie

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Apr 22, 2018
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I was going to put a plug in for the Govt...ah what the hell...they basically spared us the entire pandemic and we had little epidemics and only saw one real wave that was crushed.

In doing so, they have created this bubble mindedness, this child like thinking...the peekaboo idiots clause.

That was not aimed at Bruce, I get where he is coming from, he is talking about a vaccinated New Zealand...the Tale of two pandemics.

Quite honestly those people up north are going to know dead people soon.

If you are unvaccinated way up there, and if we do cop a big hit, someone in town is gonna die because they did not vaccinate.

Too late then.

I think Omicron is going to be hell for some in this country, I really do.
I have a fully vaccinated family member staring down the barrel of permanent damage from omicron

Odds are you’ll be fine, but don’t get cocky, get ready
 

Sup42

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I have a fully vaccinated family member staring down the barrel of permanent damage from omicron

Odds are you’ll be fine, but don’t get cocky, get ready
Roger that.

Sorry to hear that Fonzie. Last we heard from you everyone had been doing ok, that is scary bro.

Good advice. Been trying to prepare for two years. Slowly building up everything we need for a family of four.

We are basically eating stores now to keep up with expiration dates and replacing old stock.

And just bidding our time to get the boosters.

I ordered a bunch of KN95 masks today from St John.
 

Fonzie

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Apr 22, 2018
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Roger that.

Sorry to hear that Fonzie. Last we heard from you everyone had been doing ok, that is scary bro.

Good advice. Been trying to prepare for two years. Slowly building up everything we need for a family of four.

We are basically eating stores now to keep up with expiration dates and replacing old stock.

And just bidding our time to get the boosters.

I ordered a bunch of KN95 masks today from St John.
This family member is in her 50s, no prior health issues (in fact very fit, I did a 100km walk with her in 25 continuous hours not long ago).

She had a tough time with covid but the infection had resolved and she was covid negative on day 14. Despite that, her breathing got worse. Covid impacted her heart function and as a result she has fluid on her lung which is not clearing despite initial meds. She cannot walk up stairs.

Cardiologist and other specialists booked next week. The public hospitals discharged her so she could get private care because they admitted they couldn’t cope with volumes and it was in her interest to get out of there. Luckily we can afford that.
 

Fonzie

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I would add - get an oximeter. It costs $20-30 and is likely the best tool for determining if you need to engage the hospital system. Also, if you ring for an ambulance and are able to say that you have an oximeter and it is recording ‘x’, you will go to the head of the queue. And there will be an ambulance queue if Sydney is a guide.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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This family member is in her 50s, no prior health issues (in fact very fit, I did a 100km walk with her in 25 continuous hours not long ago).

She had a tough time with covid but the infection had resolved and she was covid negative on day 14. Despite that, her breathing got worse. Covid impacted her heart function and as a result she has fluid on her lung which is not clearing despite initial meds. She cannot walk up stairs.

Cardiologist and other specialists booked next week. The public hospitals discharged her so she could get private care because they admitted they couldn’t cope with volumes and it was in her interest to get out of there. Luckily we can afford that.

I have read about these issues.

Gee that is appalling that public health cannot cope with that picture. I am not blaming public health, the situation is what is appalling.

That is really scary that they cannot deal with post Covid cardiovascular treatment properly.

They did right by you declaring the situation in full. Hope she gets better soon.
 
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DavidMcKay1974

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Aug 28, 2013
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Morning everyone. Just reporting in as it will probably be my only chance for the day.

A couple of things.

1: On the way up to Chch yesterday I think in Oamaru, we passed Anti Vaxers on the side of the road making a hell of a noise, I didn't realise until my brother who was driving said 'oh look anti vaxers again'. They were holding signs. I yelled at the window 'You guys are Bullshit' but forgot the window was up.


2: It was great catching up with my Aunty who is doing better than expected but is still really upset. One of the main reasons is that she is upset is that we can only have 50 Family members at the funeral itself because a couple of family members (mainly her own sister, and one of her son's and granddaughters have not yet received their shots. So, therefore, we can't have 100 people. Even in the Orange setting. Seeing how she is upset about this really breaks my heart, so it's the immediate family only which includes me and Dad and my bro and his family.

And then afterwards friends of my Uncle can come round to my Aunties place and celebrate his life.

So yeah just preparing for Day 2 to meet up with the rest of the whanau and talk about the life and times of my Uncle, and just be by the side of my favourite Aunty who is also my Godmother.

Thank you guys for your kind thoughts. It is much appreciated.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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I would add - get an oximeter. It costs $20-30 and is likely the best tool for determining if you need to engage the hospital system. Also, if you ring for an ambulance and are able to say that you have an oximeter and it is recording ‘x’, you will go to the head of the queue. And there will be an ambulance queue if Sydney is a guide.

Really good advice Fonzie.

Pulse Ox and decent masks, keep a bottle of hand wash in your car too so you can do your hands as soon as you get out of the shop and before you get home.

And obviously get boosted people.
 
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bruce

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That was not aimed at Bruce, I get where he is coming from, he is talking about a vaccinated New Zealand...the Tale of two pandemics.
It was more basic than that. It is just what I see.

People in Oz going to golf and cricket, and tennis, not a care in the world.

I will feel like it has arrived when Dr, Campbell gets it, not joking either. I really hope he doesn't.

Maybe I should count the Warriors squad as extended friends.

Like I said about cancer treatments though. I am sure the hospitals are on edge.

I posted a clip yesterday about the increased risk of pre diabetic and diabetic people.

That might be why Merka is so badly hit

 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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It was more basic than that. It is just what I see.

People in Oz going to golf and cricket, and tennis, not a care in the world.

I will feel like it has arrived when Dr, Campbell gets it, not joking either. I really hope he doesn't.

Maybe I should count the Warriors squad as extended friends.

Like I said about cancer treatments though. I am sure the hospitals are on edge.

I posted a clip yesterday about the increased risk of pre diabetic and diabetic people.

That might be why Merka is so badly hit


The diabetes thing is like cannabis and mental illness.

Cannabis will just ensure you get the illness earlier and worse, rather than causing it.

As I keep banging on, New Zealand has three risks.

1. The state of the populations health generally

2. The state of health care.

3. The uniquely low herd immunity among the unvaccinated / under exposed one million citizens.

In the US and the UK and even to a lesser extent Australia, they have killed off all the very high risk people in Delta and Alpha waves.

We have not.

In New Zealand we have a lot of sick kids, and they are also our unvaccinated, in the UK and US almost every child, whether infected or not, has had Covid exposure, their immune systems have at least had a brush with Covid.

But there are also protective factors here.

1. We used exclusively Pfizer Biontec

2. We have excellent health measures and health settings.

3, We have high vaccine coverage of the elderly and indigenous populations

4. We have some time, although this is going to disappear with Omicron and we will be open and the same as everyone else.

5. We will have high levels of herd immunity when Omicron subsides and he Novel disease threat will be removed....so in essence we are exposing people at the ideal time, with a slightly milder variant that is all spreading.

I could have mentioned the season, however I do not put much stock in that, since Covid comes in winter anyway, so it is a hard thing to say that a summer wave is better.
 

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