But of course, it didn’t, thanks to “the phantom punch.”
Liston went down midway through the first round, stayed down for 20 seconds while confusion reigned, then was ruled to have been KO’d. The thing is, on television, it wasn’t clear that the right from Ali that knocked Liston down was all that powerful. In fact, it’s possible that there wasn’t even contact. And then there’s the fact that, instead of retreating to his corner like a boxer is supposed to do when he knocks an opponent down, Ali stood over Liston and yelled “Get up and fight, sucker!”—which produced one of the most iconic photographs in sports history.
Conspiracy theorists hold that Liston took a dive, but here are two different schools of thought as to why. One camp believes Liston owed money to the mob, and so he placed a bet against himself and took a dive. Another camp believes Liston was afraid of retribution from the Nation of Islam if he beat Ali.
When Michael Jordan suddenly retired after winning a third consecutive championship with the Bulls in 1993, he said the recent murder of his father had caused him to lose the desire to compete, and that he’d achieved everything he possibly could on a basketball court. But of course, everyone knows that Michael Jordan’s raison d’etre is sticking it to people who didn’t believe in him (have you seen his Hall of Fame induction speech?), so he could never have felt like he had nothing left to accomplish. He could win again, and then again, and then again, and then again, until he was coronated Emporer of the Galaxy for life. (And that probably still would not have satisfied his ego.)
So people weren’t buying his story. Then they remembered how there was some controversy surrounding the fact that he was seen gambling at an Atlantic City casino the night before a playoff game against the Knicks in ’93. And they remembered how Jordan admitted to suffering $57,000 in gambling losses.
Thus the conspiracy theory: the NBA was going to suspend Michael Jordan for gambling, so he retired rather than suffer the indignity.
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mt.wellington
Warriors Orange Peeler
Nice try but you omitted the last paragraph on your 2 conspiracies. Why would you only copy and paste the conspiracy and not paste the paragraph debunking that shit?
When Michael Jordan suddenly retired after winning a third consecutive championship with the Bulls in 1993, he said the recent murder of his father had caused him to lose the desire to compete, and that he’d achieved everything he possibly could on a basketball court. But of course, everyone knows that Michael Jordan’s raison d’etre is sticking it to people who didn’t believe in him (have you seen his Hall of Fame induction speech?), so he could never have felt like he had nothing left to accomplish. He could win again, and then again, and then again, and then again, until he was coronated Emporer of the Galaxy for life. (And that probably still would not have satisfied his ego.)
So people weren’t buying his story. Then they remembered how there was some controversy surrounding the fact that he was seen gambling at an Atlantic City casino the night before a playoff game against the Knicks in ’93. And they remembered how Jordan admitted to suffering $57,000 in gambling losses.
Thus the conspiracy theory: the NBA was going to suspend Michael Jordan for gambling, so he retired rather than suffer the indignity.
Heres the bit you missed on the Jordan conspiracy theory...
And you know what? I would actually believe this one, if not for the fact that the NBA would never have suspended Michael Jordan. Ever. (They never have cared about integrity, and they never will.) But all the other stuff adds up: Jordan certainly would have lost millions upon millions of dollars in endorsements if his image took that kind of hit. And I’ll be darned if he didn’t find his “will to compete” just two years later and win another three championships.
https://www.totalprosports.com/2012/05/18/9-classic-sports-conspiracy-theories/#3
I think just calling it a conspiracy theory debunks it. It's nice for people to make up their own minds about how tho IMO.
How about the psychiatric industry working together with the pharmaceutical industry to create a false model of mental disorders invoking unproven "chemical imbalances" in the brain causing all kinds of ever-more frivolous "mental disorders" all of which require you to take medication the rest of your life. Many of these drugs cause homicidal and/or suicidal urges and ideation in some patients. They get approved by the FDA in spite of evidence of their dangers. The DSM 5, the latest version of psychiatry's Bible of disorders, has some really ludicrous new disorders in there and it's become quite obvious the quackery that is going on now in the name of huge profits for big pharma. 1 in 5 Americans is supposedly suffering from a mental disorder now and needs drugs. That's millions upon millions of people. It's a bunch of bullsh*t.
NZ cricket are behind the Eden Park fuck up.
They blocked the Waterfront stadium and are now pushing to have the Warriors move out of Mt Smart so that they can have Western Springs all to themselves....
They blocked the Waterfront stadium and are now pushing to have the Warriors move out of Mt Smart so that they can have Western Springs all to themselves....
charlie bobmarley
you & your previous persona Edd are an agent for the NZRU employed to post annoying, leg-humping & frivolious posts to slowly drive league fans away from this forum
mt.wellington
Warriors Orange Peeler
Ive been seriously wondering whether macker was in actual fact edd reincarnated. Both share a lot of the same qualities (not sure if qualities is the right word?)...
You guys should just come out of the closet and make Eden Park crush public.
mt.wellington
Warriors Orange Peeler
If you're happy to go down without a fight that's one thing, but making the move sound like a done deal, that we have no say in, when clearly it's not, is another thing all together. That's all I'm saying...
NZ cricket are getting razzed up big time by the cricket world about how small Eden Park is so they decided they now want Western Springs, as they've developed a bad case of Small Stadium Syndrome (S.S.S.)...
mt.wellington
Warriors Orange Peeler
Not sure why you have decided to repeatedly have a go at me today but you can fuck off.
Was just passing on something that was told to me by a councillor. As I also said, there will be an announcement this week by the club. We will be staying at Mt Smart. Go to the thread that ToiletDuck suggested you read and tell me Im going down without a fight. Im a Mt Smart diehard...
Glad to hear it. And sorry if I'm getting fired up over here.
So we win? Why didn't you just say that? Were you enjoying winding me up? lol
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¿N. ig-mah¿
Unless you are a multi-billionaire, then you will not have any say in the future of Mt Smart. The deal will be done by the owners of Mt Smart with or without you.
gREVUS
Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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so wait Macker was Ed on a journey to interrupt, annoy and disgrace the wonderful members of NZWarriors.com?
whos real name is Nathan something, i forget, have to look at the photo he posted to see what it said again
So you should defn have a go at everyone who has a name Nathon something. or is this all a conspiracy?
whos real name is Nathan something, i forget, have to look at the photo he posted to see what it said again
So you should defn have a go at everyone who has a name Nathon something. or is this all a conspiracy?
Hitman82
Can't believe I missed this thread until now. Awesome!
I think Edd / Macker is actually some kind of evil super-fan, obsessed with bringing down the quality of postings here. He started this conspiracy theory thread in a hope of gaining support and outing forum members as a bunch of crazy fringe types.
Not saying we aren't crazy fringe types, but super-fans are pretty farcked.
If anyone saw Catfish last week, they'd understand the potential for outlandish actions within people like Edd. Thankfully, these types tend to spend 4-6 months of every year in loony bins, so it should be a wee while before the next alias arises.
I think Edd / Macker is actually some kind of evil super-fan, obsessed with bringing down the quality of postings here. He started this conspiracy theory thread in a hope of gaining support and outing forum members as a bunch of crazy fringe types.
Not saying we aren't crazy fringe types, but super-fans are pretty farcked.
If anyone saw Catfish last week, they'd understand the potential for outlandish actions within people like Edd. Thankfully, these types tend to spend 4-6 months of every year in loony bins, so it should be a wee while before the next alias arises.
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