General Climate change

bruce

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Climate change
Some people deny it at all.
Some more enlightened ones admit it but say it is not man made so nothing we do can change it.

However, the ones that really know, because it is a basic physics equation, are the oil companies,
read this:
In the 1980s, oil companies like Exxon and Shell carried out internal assessments of the carbon dioxide released by fossil fuels, and forecast the planetary consequences of these emissions. In 1982, for example, Exxon predicted that by about 2060, CO2 levels would reach around 560 parts per million – double the preindustrial level – and that this would push the planet’s average temperatures up by about 2°C over then-current levels (and even more compared to pre-industrial levels).

Now about this time, in my job I noticed things that were clearly related to a changing climate. I spoke with colleagues who said they had found the same, but didn't speak widely about it because nobody understood or was interested.

Some years later, just by chance I discussed it with my mother, a churchgoer (I wasn't), and another person I was doing business with. He was also a god botherer, Both said they didn't accept climate change.

They were not in the same religions so I could only guess the oil companies, being mainly Merkin, played the game of spreading disinformation amongst the most gullible people first e.g. fundamentalist Christians. Just as an aside I think the Catholic Church still denies Priests screw young boys, but I digress.

Many years later I read this book:
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It was a scary description of what he knew about collapsed societies from Polynesia to other parts of the world. The scariest one was about Greenland, which was related to naturally occurring climate change. To make it simple, most people didn't die in their sleep, or quietly starve to death, violence and cannibalism had become rife.

Here is the scary bit to me. The controversial ecologist David Suzuki claimed about 25 years ago that in his opinion the world would not last another 30 years. If you ask anybody in Greece or California they would not argue.

Also about that time, and I forget who made the prediction, but it was that most people at that time didn't know about climate change, or even care.

The prediction said politicians would ignore it, until the reality was apparent, by which time it would be too late to save the planet.

In 2014 a climatologist said if Arctic ocean floor methane started reaching the surface then "we're fucked".

Climatologists have spent decades politely warning that we are cooking our planet, but now one has decided to stop sugar coating it. Professor Jason Box of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland tweeted “If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we're fucked.”

Well ladies and jellybeans, that is happening, so maybe we are farked.
 

Worried2Death

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Mar 6, 2016
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Climate change
Some people deny it at all.
Some more enlightened ones admit it but say it is not man made so nothing we do can change it.

However, the ones that really know, because it is a basic physics equation, are the oil companies,
read this:
In the 1980s, oil companies like Exxon and Shell carried out internal assessments of the carbon dioxide released by fossil fuels, and forecast the planetary consequences of these emissions. In 1982, for example, Exxon predicted that by about 2060, CO2 levels would reach around 560 parts per million – double the preindustrial level – and that this would push the planet’s average temperatures up by about 2°C over then-current levels (and even more compared to pre-industrial levels).

Now about this time, in my job I noticed things that were clearly related to a changing climate. I spoke with colleagues who said they had found the same, but didn't speak widely about it because nobody understood or was interested.

Some years later, just by chance I discussed it with my mother, a churchgoer (I wasn't), and another person I was doing business with. He was also a god botherer, Both said they didn't accept climate change.

They were not in the same religions so I could only guess the oil companies, being mainly Merkin, played the game of spreading disinformation amongst the most gullible people first e.g. fundamentalist Christians. Just as an aside I think the Catholic Church still denies Priests screw young boys, but I digress.

Many years later I read this book:
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It was a scary description of what he knew about collapsed societies from Polynesia to other parts of the world. The scariest one was about Greenland, which was related to naturally occurring climate change. To make it simple, most people didn't die in their sleep, or quietly starve to death, violence and cannibalism had become rife.

Here is the scary bit to me. The controversial ecologist David Suzuki claimed about 25 years ago that in his opinion the world would not last another 30 years. If you ask anybody in Greece or California they would not argue.

Also about that time, and I forget who made the prediction, but it was that most people at that time didn't know about climate change, or even care.

The prediction said politicians would ignore it, until the reality was apparent, by which time it would be too late to save the planet.

In 2014 a climatologist said if Arctic ocean floor methane started reaching the surface then "we're fucked".

Climatologists have spent decades politely warning that we are cooking our planet, but now one has decided to stop sugar coating it. Professor Jason Box of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland tweeted “If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we're fucked.”

Well ladies and jellybeans, that is happening, so maybe we are farked.
Cannibalism it is then, no wonder the yanks are breeding so many lardass burgers, they'll be the only survivors.
 
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wizards rage

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In 2014 a climatologist said if Arctic ocean floor methane started reaching the surface then "we're fucked".
I believe climate change is real and we need to plan for it but I don’t believe the sensationalist claims.

50 failed doomsday, apocalyptic climate change predictions (all in major newspapers, all with links)

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

All wrong. Now there are changes happening, glaciers retreating, costal inundation at king tide, etc but I believe it’s just something we need to plan for and adapt to without a panicked ‘climate emergency’.
 
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Worried2Death

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I believe climate change is real and we need to plan for it but I don’t believe the sensationalist claims.

50 failed doomsday, apocalyptic climate change predictions (all in major newspapers, all with links)

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

All wrong. Now there are changes happening, glaciers retreating, costal inundation at king tide, etc but I believe it’s just something we need to plan for and adapt to without a panicked ‘climate emergency’.
I'm a sceptic by nature so I agree with you to a degree, but the evidence is mounting that we're having an anthropomorphic effect on the biosphere. Wouldnt be surprised if the climate change hysteria was a scam to bring down the fossil fuel industry though, Thatcher broke the miners unions in the 70's with a carefully crafted nuclear agenda. The politics of science are dictated by money over facts.
 
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I listened to a UK boffin on BBC radio the morning before the findings of the international report was announced. Quite alarming some of the things he said, the main one being that the loss of ice from the poles was at a far faster rate than previously thought and the effect this would have on sea levels. He was talking about coming up with a short term strategy to protect the ice and slow the melt process down in order to buy more time to research and implement other solutions.

If I can find the interview online I will post.

Biggest contributors iirc are air travel and container shipping. We need to find a way of consuming less food and goods from other countries, alternatively the proverbial rabbit from a hat technological breakthrough to reverse the damage done since industrialisation
 
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Mr Dragon

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I believe climate change is real and we need to plan for it but I don’t believe the sensationalist claims.

50 failed doomsday, apocalyptic climate change predictions (all in major newspapers, all with links)

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

All wrong. Now there are changes happening, glaciers retreating, costal inundation at king tide, etc but I believe it’s just something we need to plan for and adapt to without a panicked ‘climate emergency’.
From day 1 of Earth we have had Climate change, but these nut jobs use it like it just happened. New Zealand used to be under the water before man was alive, did we make the land come up from the sea, the answer is NO!!!! 🤣 A few inches of water isn't going to sink us back into the ocean
 

Mr Dragon

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The Greens want everyone to have electric cars, expect to have more power outages if that happens and expect more taxes because the Government will lose a ton of money off petrol taxes.
 
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wizards rage

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50 failed doomsday, apocalyptic climate change predictions (all in major newspapers, all with links)
This, Sup42 Sup42 is why experts and professional are not believed anymore.

Why the climate debate is ignored. Why antivaxers have a platform. Why Trumps are enabled. Why the public shrug and don’t care about serious media stories…

Short term sensationalism in the media has undermined the long term credibility of the messagers and opened pathways to alternative information sources.
 

bruce

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Sep 1, 2015
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I believe climate change is real and we need to plan for it but I don’t believe the sensationalist claims.

50 failed doomsday, apocalyptic climate change predictions (all in major newspapers, all with links)

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

All wrong. Now there are changes happening, glaciers retreating, costal inundation at king tide, etc but I believe it’s just something we need to plan for and adapt to without a panicked ‘climate emergency’.
Hi Donald :rolleyes:
 
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bruce

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The Greens want everyone to have electric cars, expect to have more power outages if that happens and expect more taxes because the Government will lose a ton of money off petrol taxes.
Sadly Greens are just politician under the environmental label. Many wouldn't have a clue.
 

bruce

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Why the climate debate is ignored. Why antivaxers have a platform. Why Trumps are enabled. Why the public shrug and don’t care about serious media stories…
Most politicians and multinationals are basically intellectually dishonest when it suits them.

To that end the multinationals in particular know when they are doing something dangerous very early on.

They understand the power of the PR mushroom treatment i.e. keep them in the dark and feed them manure when necessary.

So to expect that mixture to cope with climate change is impossible.
 

Sup42

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Well we have two planets in our solar system that went through the run away green house effect.

Venus and Mars are not very nice places to take a holiday.
 
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Sup42

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This, Sup42 Sup42 is why experts and professional are not believed anymore.

Why the climate debate is ignored. Why antivaxers have a platform. Why Trumps are enabled. Why the public shrug and don’t care about serious media stories…

Short term sensationalism in the media has undermined the long term credibility of the messagers and opened pathways to alternative information sources.

If people cannot work out that the science of climate prediction is complex and problematic in terms of specific detail and precise dates then they could be stupid.

Oh wait....they watch the weather forecast every night....a prediction by the science of meteorology which is a daily lesson that weather prediction is not a precise activity.....people ain't stupid...they are ignorant.

Alternate information sources is a euphemisism for dumb people looking to read what other dumb people have to say....none of them are gonna be splitting the atom...
 

bruce

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If people cannot work out that the science of climate prediction is complex and problematic in terms of specific detail and precise dates then they could be stupid.
Actually it is pretty basic.

Newtons third law says every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

So releasing tons of carbon from storage (trees and fossils) into the atmosphere has to have a chemical reaction.

How that gets confusing is the crap way they teach science at school i.e. highly political.

Then for those who did not study science at school, just do the PR trick e.g. the election was stolen.
 

Sup42

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Actually it is pretty basic.

Newtons third law says every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

So releasing tons of carbon from storage (trees and fossils) into the atmosphere has to have a chemical reaction.

How that gets confusing is the crap way they teach science at school i.e. highly political.

Then for those who did not study science at school, just do the PR trick e.g. the election was stolen.
Who knew that three hundred million year old forests would come back to kill us in the form of death by fossil fuels.

Aussie were selling a lot of coal to China. They do not want to confront climate change...even though the place is burning down.

Only gonna get worse if they do not change their ways...Australia is one of the most vulnerable places to climate change.

Might end up one big desert....it almost is already...before you heat up the planet.
 
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