General Cleary says push back anti-tampering deadline

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By ROBERT LOWE

New Zealand Warriors coach Ivan Cleary says he has changed his opinion about the National Rugby League's anti-tampering deadline, and believes it should be moved to the end of the season.

The Warriors have several players coming off contract, including experienced centre Clinton Toopi, who confirmed yesterday that he would be moving to English club Leeds next year.

Others whose futures are still up in the air include fullback Brent Webb, and forwards Awen Guttenbeil, Evarn Tuimavave and Epalahame Lauaki.

Cleary, who is in his debut year as a first-grade coach, said yesterday that the whole issue of player movement was a bigger distraction than he had realised.

"It's probably getting worse by the year." he said.

"Certainly, in this day and age, there's a lot more player movement than there was five or six years ago.

"It's a distraction, there's no doubt about it, but it's one that every club is dealing with, unless they change the rules."

His own view about the timing of the anti-tampering deadline, at present set at June 30, had changed.

Under the anti-tampering rules, players coming off contract cannot negotiate with rival clubs unless given permission.

"I actually thought it used to be okay – it was in the players' interest in a way," Cleary said of the June 30 threshold.

"But seeing what I've seen over the last few years, I think it would be far better if it got pushed back and everyone concentrated on what they're doing at the moment and dealt with that later."

With Toopi being on a sizeable pay packet at the Warriors and the club having salary cap constraints, the centre was given permission to look at options in the English Super League.

The 18-test Kiwi has signed a three-year deal with Leeds, with the Warriors saying they were unable to match what was being offered.

Toopi, 26, has made 128 appearances for the Warriors since his NRL debut in 1999,

But he has struggled for game time in recent weeks, being dropped to the bench after returning from last month's Anzac test and then missing the past two matches.

With wingers Manu Vatuvei and Todd Byrne injured, he has been reinstated to the interchange for the visit of competition leaders Brisbane on Sunday.

Cleary described news of Toopi's departure as marking a sad day for the club, but life went on.

"Anyone who is on big money, you have to think long and hard about," he said.

"At the end of the day, Clinton made the decision that he wanted to go. He has his and his family's best interests at heart and he has taken up an opportunity that, if he left it any longer, might not be there."

Toopi did not speak to journalists after Warriors training yesterday.

In regards to Kiwi fullback Webb, who has been linked to a possible switch to rugby, Cleary said he "would love him to stay", but it was a case of working out what was best for the club.

"We're considering our options," he said.

"It's a tough period for players, for management. I guess it's a bit of a jig-saw. We're trying to fit it all together."
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Personally, I also think it should be pushed back. Because this time of year is always stiring up rumors and and things. It can be frustrating for not just the clubs and their players but also the fans too. Surely league fans all over would much rather want to enjoy the early part of the season watching footy instead of having to read all sorts of speculative stuff about their fave players constantly.
 

warriors4life_old

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
Personally, I also think it should be pushed back. Because this time of year is always stiring up rumors and and things. It can be frustrating for not just the clubs and their players but also the fans too. Surely league fans all over would much rather want to enjoy the early part of the season watching footy instead of having to read all sorts of speculative stuff about their fave players constantly.

Tbh, I think it should be pushed back, but not till the end of the season, rather a month or two later. All the player movements, rumours and signings add to the excitement of the NRL season, and I think that is only good for the game. But that's just my opinion.
 

warriorfaithful*_old

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Yeah push it back for mine. This way the players can play the season without having to worry of where there future lies and they can deal with contracts in the off-season
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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warriorfaithful* said:
Yeah push it back for mine. This way the players can play the season without having to worry of where there future lies and they can deal with contracts in the off-season

Absolutely, I just find its too much of a hassel esp when it happens around this time of the year.
 

Tevita_Latu_old

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that's all good and well for us the fans and the clubs if it gets pushed back but what about the most important people involved? what about the players and their families?? Hypothetically lets say we had that system last year. Paul Rauhihi is off contract, plays all the way up to the Grand final has a weekend off then has a month + tri nations tour gets back to Townsville around Christmas and then goes
"hmm. hope i can get a contract in about 2 weeks before training starts!!. Hey Kids pack your bags because you start at your new warrington school in 2 weeks"

Mathamatically unrealistic. Moving Clubs and Countries cannot be considered and organised in the International Rugby League Offseason of about 2-3 weeks.

Players are humans with families, not robots.
 

Iafeta_old

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Leave it as it is.

Why push it back further, and then truly erode the confidence and stability of a club in top 8 contention? You want this stuff to be sorted prior to the run into the finals - also, it's in the Warriors best interests to have the deadline earlier, if you leave it too late, players will see it as too much of a hassle to leave Australia to move to New Zealand. It doesn't happen overnight. Imagine being a Raiders fan in 2004, and being a month out from the finals and not knowing what was happening with Ruben Wiki. It leaves a lot of confusion, a lot of speculation you don't need to cloud that section of the year. Not worth it.

Deal with it now, and then you still have the back end of he season to work with.
 

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Skinny_Ravs82 said:
warriorfaithful* said:
Yeah push it back for mine. This way the players can play the season without having to worry of where there future lies and they can deal with contracts in the off-season

Absolutely, I just find its too much of a hassel esp when it happens around this time of the year.

..ok...you find it too much of a hassle? does the players having enough time to organise their futures, living arrangements, childrens educations ,alltogether families wellbeing, interfere with your plans? i don't know if you people realise the off season is only a matter of weeks long. Pre season training starts little more than 4 weeks after the previous Grand-Final. if you're playing in a tri nations, chances are your team-mates are doing their stretches while you're getting back off the plane. Be realisitic people, give the players as much time as they need. they're seasons long enough as it is without them having to spend their few weeks off looking for next years pay packet.
 

warriors4life_old

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I agree with both of you Tevita_Latu and Iafeta, clubs need to sort out contracts before the finals and the back-end of the season, and the off-season would be a poor time if you were an international player who had limited time to get a new contract. I originally said it should be moved a month or two forward but now I wholeheartedly think that the deadline is good where it is.
 

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warriors4life said:
I agree with both of you Tevita_Latu and Iafeta, clubs need to sort out contracts before the finals and the back-end of the season, and the off-season would be a poor time if you were an international player who had limited time to get a new contract.
 

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