Warriors 1st Grader
- May 7, 2012
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It humbles me how welcome we are at Gallipoli now, and how the Turks honour our dead by hosting ceremony and tending the graves. As you rightly point out, these are invaders who were killed their own on Turkish soil. They have Mana those people, real honor,They are goners, nothing surer. Jacinda has another term out of this unless she really stuffs up.
No I haven't, I couldn't bear to watch it, and I have seen some real life gore in my time. I have trouble with the German shite as well but because it was so long ago it seems to be less intense.
In any case I don't watch the docos for that, but for the extra snippets of information that keep coming out. History was my best subject at school, and the causes of WWII were a major part of the curriculum. For all that, and all these years later I am still trying to get my head around it.
It is a bit like Gallipoli which is celebrated down here yet in reality was an unjustified invasion of a sovereign country with which Australia and NZ had no quarrel at all. The Turks killed a lot of Anzacs, but they were just defending their country from invaders.
Getting back to the point, the more we look at the past the better chance we have for the future. It seems that history will blame this in major part to our quite weak gun laws.
I just have this feeling that censoring this sort of stuff can have repercussions, such as if the gun lobby, who are masters at manipulation manage to somehow water down the effect of this massacre.
Like you I'm a history buff. I get the feeling that Jacinda Adern realises that she is being asked to make history here, to make her mark on our country. I also get the feeling that she is a human being first and a politician second. When Bridges uses phrases like "Probably the way to go" about semi Automatic weapons, his syntax tells me that he is trying to ensure that as an opposition leader that he will make up his own mind . . .ergo the deliberately semi committal weak language. Now some will mistakenly see that as the role of an opposition government, to offer a tempered view point.
Not when fifty New Zealand citizens were murdered in church on our soil mates.
The direction Bridges should be taking, purely from a mood of the nation pov is to be even stronger than Jacinda on this, and to bring out the big stick of conservative thinking.
He is not looking at the bigger picture by trying to be a point of difference in the debate. While I get why he is trying to show individualism and another angle, this is not the time to use a different rhetoric to the leader.
There are seven thousand owners of Semi Autos. These are not voters Bridges needs. Of course he will be thinking of the farming and wider hunting communities when it comes to gun owners in a broader sense, more votes in other words. But hey Mr Bridges, consider that some of the semi Auto owners are voluntarily handing their guns in, they are disgusted with this whole thing.
Unfortunately for him his two stance logic "I will support any changes" versus "Probably the way to go" shows a weakness that his opponent doesn't suffer.
As for your comments about the Nazi stuff, the footage that springs to mind for me is that Vietnam video of a man being executed at point blank range in full view of the cameras.
The only reason that got shown world wide over and over was because he was Asian.
Images of naked dead American soldiers in Mogadishu were eventually faded out because of their sensitivity.
The way the Govt are going these latest videos of a group of people getting slaughtered that Westerners have less sympathies for I applaud (I hold my own hand up here, I don't know for example whether I would react the same if it was Maori, Pakehas, Islanders, Asians in the video in other words people im more exposed to). I do have Muslim friends but the exposure time is less than other groups I'm more used to mingling with . . . people that are more deeply imbeded in my psyche.