General Changes to the Head Office

Mr Brownstone

Couldn't agree more, end of the day when it comes to rugby league Doyles just a fan like the rest of us. He's well versed in compliance, governance and the commercial side of the business, but in terms of the role of the CEO, overseeing the football department should be a separate role from the commercial one because it requires more than a cursory understanding about rugby league.

Doyle's business sense for a bargain deal made him pursue Foran, but all he really knew was A. He's a good player and B. He could use his connections at NRL HQ to get him to the Warriors where a quality operator as head of football might consider a few other variables like seeing the need to address the balance of the roster as more important, the distractions that would come with Foran for the rest of the players etc.

I'm not certain Cameron George is an ideal candidate in that regard either but happy to be proven wrong. I think as someone mentioned he has at least played the game, not that that makes him suitably qualified.

I'd feel more comfortable if we had someone with real rugby league knowledge in that role.
Great post and let's hope that the advisory board is disbanded and someone with real rugby league knowledge is employed in its place.
 
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Mr Brownstone

I can`t disagree with you too much on results, I thought Foran actually straightened our attack up early on, which was what was needed but definitely lost interest after signing with the dogs, As for his signing I was looking forward to what he was going to bring based solely on football ability. I have to say disappointed would be an understatement. I met him after the game on Sunday and my opinion of him was, he didn`t care too much about us fans he was doing his job and couldn`t wait to get out of there and probably out of NZ.
As for Doyle I think you are being abit harsh, He successfully led Navman to the top echelon, he did the same with the NZRL. So to me with the Warriors the problems were well entrenched before his arrival, and in the three years he was there you`ll probably find there was more to fix than what one man was capable of.
Yeah look I think Doyle underestimated the challenge and overestimated his ability to change things.
 
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FAN

Not a great deal yet, positive comments from former colleagues - the word brilliant was used to describe him. There's something else I heard that relates more to his opinion of someone that fills me with a lot of hope.

He also feels Cappy is the best water boy in the NRL??
 

RICHMAN

Couldn't agree more, end of the day when it comes to rugby league Doyles just a fan like the rest of us. He's well versed in compliance, governance and the commercial side of the business, but in terms of the role of the CEO, overseeing the football department should be a separate role from the commercial one because it requires more than a cursory understanding about rugby league.

Doyle's business sense for a bargain deal made him pursue Foran, but all he really knew was A. He's a good player and B. He could use his connections at NRL HQ to get him to the Warriors where a quality operator as head of football might consider a few other variables like seeing the need to address the balance of the roster as more important, the distractions that would come with Foran for the rest of the players etc.

I'm not certain Cameron George is an ideal candidate in that regard either but happy to be proven wrong. I think as someone mentioned he has at least played the game, not that that makes him suitably qualified.

I'd feel more comfortable if we had someone with real rugby league knowledge in that role.
someone like Shane Richardson
 

RICHMAN

Yeah look I think Doyle underestimated the challenge and overestimated his ability to change things.
what the club needs is not someone who`s passionate about the club or the game, it`s someone who`s been in charge and has successfully run an NRL club someone who`s not scared of telling someone they are no longer required or not qualified for the role. its the only way for this club to move forward
 

WarriorBall

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someone like Shane Richardson

At least structurally, the Rabbitiohs had John Lee as CEO and appointed Richardson as GM of football. Gould out at the Panthers has a similar role.

I'm suggesting it as a model for the Warriors because of the inexperience across the organisation.

Do away with the football advisory board and have someone in a full time capacity.

Bit late know of course George has been appointed already but hell, if the fans by the Warriors they can all donate ten percent of their wages each week to club and we can get whoever we want!!
 
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bruce

bruce

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The Doyle issue has become more about being proved right than it is about common sense.
I nominated him for a Papal Knghthood when he got MSS back from the Council, and defended him staunchly until a couple of months ago so what I am trying to prove?
 
bruce

bruce

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At least structurally, the Rabbitiohs had John Lee as CEO and appointed Richardson as GM of football. Gould out at the Panthers has a similar role.
and the Warriors had John Hart until he upset a few too many of the "old boys".
 

WarriorBall

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I nominated him for a Papal Knghthood when he got MSS back from the Council, and defended him staunchly until a couple of months ago so what I am trying to prove?

It's a fair point mate but with you he's either a Papal Knight or the devil incarnate.
 
bruce

bruce

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It's a fair point mate but with you he's either a Papal Knight or the devil incarnate.
I got upset by his bullshit, mainly about and involving Foran. If one makes a mistake fair enough, but continually bullshitting to make yourself sound right just insults people.
 
bruce

bruce

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John Hart quit after Scurrah hired Bluey...
I think it was more than that. Hart supported Cleary to the hilt and wanted him resigned. I remember hearing rumbles from within the Kiwi "old boy" network about Hart during the controversy about Cleary leaving, so it wasn't just about Bluey arriving. I don't think Bluey had anything to do with it and could probably have done with Harts assistance. I am fairly sure that actually asked Hart to come back later but he had had enough of the joint.
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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I think it was more than that. Hart supported Cleary to the hilt and wanted him resigned. I remember hearing rumbles from within the Kiwi "old boy" network about Hart during the controversy about Cleary leaving, so it wasn't just about Bluey arriving. I don't think Bluey had anything to do with it and could probably have done with Harts assistance. I am fairly sure that actually asked Hart to come back later but he had had enough of the joint.
Spoke with Hart himself about the issue. He left because of Scurrah undermining him and not giving in on Cleary's terms. It was Scurrah who went behind Harts back and lobbied the Board to hire Bluey. Hart was dead against it. He knew that Bluey wasn't up to the job...
 
bruce

bruce

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Spoke with Hart himself about the issue. He left because of Scurrah undermining him and not giving in on Cleary's terms. It was Scurrah who went behind Harts back and lobbied the Board to hire Bluey. Hart was dead against it. He knew that Bluey wasn't up to the job...
That sounds right. The board i.e. Watson appoint a specialist manager, then take the advice of a non specialist manager against him. Dumb management. It sounds as the Kearney signing was similar, but you probably know that anyway.;). Also I heard from an ex Kiwi in an unguarded moment drop a hint that Scurrah didn't act alone.
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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That sounds right. The board i.e. Watson appoint a specialist manager, then take the advice of a non specialist manager against him. Dumb management. It sounds as the Kearney signing was similar, but you probably know that anyway.;). Also I heard from an ex Kiwi in an unguarded moment drop a hint that Scurrah didn't act alone.
Need another football manager. A competent one anyway. Last one was Dean Bell I think...
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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What was Hart's title? I thought he was football manager. I thought Bell was recruiting, under Hart. Honest question.
Yeah Hart was Football manager. I thought Dean Bell was Football manager after him then moved into recruiting???
 
bruce

bruce

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Yeah Hart was Football manager. I thought Dean Bell was Football manager after him then moved into recruiting???
That would be right, Bell was employed long before Hart. That would make sense about what I heard as well. A bit before your time but Hart was never the most popular guy in union as well. Having said that his teaming with Cleary was more successful than we have seen since. Those union coaches are as sharp in recruiting as any Aussie league club.
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
That would be right, Bell was employed long before Hart. That would make sense about what I heard as well. A bit before your time but Hart was never the most popular guy in union as well. Having said that his teaming with Cleary was more successful than we have seen since. Those union coaches are as sharp in recruiting as any Aussie league club.
Bell first started as team manager if I recall correctly under Kemp. Was an Assistant Coach under Cleary before moving into the office...
 
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