General Auckland Waterfront Stadium

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
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For us non Aucklanders, could you locals give us a scenario where a new stadium could be built that fulfills modern requirements, in 600 words or less.
When hell freezes over the powers at be will do something.


Someone else can take the other 581 words.
 

Hardyman's Yugo

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Jun 2, 2017
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Here we go again.... a new boss running Auckland Facilities and he seems to favour getting rid of both Mt Smart and North Harbour Stadiums in favour of Eden Park. Get out the pitch forks guys and girls!!!

Auckland Unlimited boss casts doubt on future of Mt Smart and North Harbour stadiums

The future of Mt Smart Stadium and North Harbour stadiums is up in the air with the boss of Auckland Council's new sporting and economic agency saying the city only needs one rectangular football stadium.

Auckland Unlimited chief executive-elect Nick Hill said solving the long-running stadium strategy will probably involve going to some "uncomfortable places".

Hill talked about the city's unresolved stadium strategy in an interview with the Herald on the creation of Auckland Unlimited, the result of a merger of Ateed and Regional Facilities Auckland.

The Ateed boss, being paid $506,000 when Auckland Unlimited comes into being on December 1, expressed strong support for Eden Park, which is owned by a private trust.

He said Eden Park will be around for the next 10 years and supports the Eden Park Trust's resource consent application to stage rock concerts as of right.

Asked about the future for council-owned Mt Smart and North Harbour stadiums, Hill said: "I don't know what the future is for them. I haven't gone into that."

Hill's position on concerts is different to that of the outgoing Regional Facilities chief executive Chris Brooks, who opposed the trust's application in a draft submission not presented at a hearing before independent commissioners on the application last week.

In the submission, Brooks said concerts at Eden Park would lead to growing losses for ratepayers at Mt Smart and Western Springs, job losses at the council venues and no net gain in concerts for the city.

The rationale for Hill's backing of Eden Park is "what's best for Auckland".

"I think Eden Park having more ability to host concerts and more capacity to be used is a good thing for Auckland.

"If that has a negative commercial and financial consequence for council then council needs to deal with that. But we start from the principle of what is right for Auckland," he said.

Mayor Phil Goff, who began his mayoralty in 2016 with grand plans for a $1 billion downtown stadium, now believes Eden Park will be the preeminent stadium location in Auckland for at least a decade.

"Given the council's financial position due to Covid-19, the prospect of building any new stadiums in the next 10 years is remote because other infrastructure requirements take priority.

"It will be important for Eden Park to be more closely integrated with council-owned facilities and to get better utilisation from the stadium for multi-sport activities.

"Council is entering into talks with the Eden Park Trust board to find better ways of integrating the use of venues in Auckland for concerts," said Goff.

Last year, the council bailed out Eden Park to the tune of $63 million, which included a $10m no-strings grant for immediate maintenance. This followed a report by EY, painting a dire financial picture for the stadium.

In addition to resolving the stadium strategy, which has floundered since 2012, Hill wants to resurrect the city's battered cultural and tourism sectors and grow the economy in the post-Covid world where there is less money available.

"That will force us to make some really hard choices," he said.

‘Hill said: "I don't know what the future is for them. I haven't gone into that."’

Sounds like a rah rah stitch up to my distant ears. To quote my favourite comedy programme, ‘I’m a sceptic as you know Ted’
 
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Woofa

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Wouldn't you think they build a new stadium, 30,000 capacity.. Waterfront be ideal.. sell Eden Parks land for property development (and a small park in middle always to be called Eden Park), Sell Mt Smart to speedway or property (industrial by the looks).. potentially sell Albany also to property developers.. Id imagine you would be half way to paying for it.. then all codes share it.. can't be that hard surely? been said a million times before but common sense goes a long way.
 

Rizzah

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Wouldn't you think they build a new stadium, 30,000 capacity.. Waterfront be ideal.. sell Eden Parks land for property development (and a small park in middle always to be called Eden Park), Sell Mt Smart to speedway or property (industrial by the looks).. potentially sell Albany also to property developers.. Id imagine you would be half way to paying for it.. then all codes share it.. can't be that hard surely? been said a million times before but common sense goes a long way.
I imagine that would be a feasible plan if Auckland Council owned Eden park, but they don't.
 

Rizzah

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Apr 18, 2012
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An unseen, magical downtown stadium for Auckland
WATCH: Newsroom has obtained a video and images of a spectacular stadium that was mooted for the downtown Auckland railways land, the favoured site in a previously secret report to the Mayor. Aucklanders never got to see what might have been.

 

Hardyman's Yugo

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Jun 2, 2017
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An unseen, magical downtown stadium for Auckland
WATCH: Newsroom has obtained a video and images of a spectacular stadium that was mooted for the downtown Auckland railways land, the favoured site in a previously secret report to the Mayor. Aucklanders never got to see what might have been.

That’s like one of those quiz shows where the contestants lose but get shown what they would have won.
 

Gizzyfan

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Jan 2, 2013
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Even if the finance was guaranteed and the site available it will not happen. History shows us there are too many vested interests with interests elsewhere, particularly Eden Park.

Or to put it another way, Auckland Politicians could not organise a piss up in a brewery.
 

snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
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Fk that's a great concept.
But this article is just the annual reminder that there are amazing people with amazing ideas, and idiots who prevent them from realizing their potential
Too right. An amazing concept having a major stadium in town. A modern stadium instead of the patched up stadiums we tend to have in this country.

Sure it needs capital but it also needs people with vision something we lack in this country when it comes to big projects.
 

The crow

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Jul 22, 2020
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The saying "a camel is a horse designed by committee" springs to mind. Really seemed like a no-brainer. Twice in the last decade or so this had come and twice bureaucrats have decided to throw good money after bad at Eden Park. Shit for rugby, a joke for cricket. A big expensive good for nothing national embarrassment.
 

Gizzyfan

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Jan 2, 2013
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I really get the sporting history of Eden Park, in particular the fortress it has become for the All Blacks. However, everything has its day.

Athletic Park in Wellington was another iconic ground steeped in All Black history. It is not missed because a better venue was built.

If, ands a big if, Auckland builds a made for purpose stadium they just need to follow Wellingtons lead and create a bespoke cricket venue. The Basin Reserve is really just a roundabout.
 

gREVUS

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May 8, 2012
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Carlaw Park should've been our home ground from day one. What a waste.
so sick of this argument. Carlaw parks days were done. it was small, old, had no space to expand, etc etc... What they should have done is used the railway land even back then to build a half decent rectangular stadium near Carlaw park. or even since then. Hell even the University should have done a land swap and used that land to make a magical university space where the whole uni could have been in one location like some of the great unis around the world. Anything but moving out into the boonies away from the true heart of auckland.
 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
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Sorry to disappoint everyone but, as an architectural designer, I know how easy it is to “sell” people with pretty presentations based on concept drawings but what’s shown in this article doesn’t relate with reality. It’s designed to impress, no matter how unrealistic.

Have a look at Spark Arena in the photo/rendering directly above the stadium and square that of that’s pretty much the size you need for a league/union pitch including in goals and extra area to the side and ends of the field for media/safe zones/reserve benches. The length they‘ve shown is adequate at best but the width is far to small.

Then there’s the issues with the seating. The photo directly above the stadium would indicate the roof opens right out to the edge of the field (90-100 meters) and with seating around 70m deep either side. But the next two renderings and the video show that the seating either side is over 100m either side.

There‘s also the fact that the video shows that the seating at the harbour end of the stadium matches the depth to the sides (I.e. over 100m) but the photo directly above the stadium shows that it can only be 25m deep.

Why are there the differences between the “plan” rendering directly above the stadium (which would be the most accurate) and the other renderings and video? Because what they’re proposing wouldn‘t physically fit on the site. They’re “selling” the dream, not the reality off what could happen.

How do I know what they’re proposing on that site won’t work? Because, back in the mid 2000’s, I favoured that site and worked with some others to put a proposal together for a stadium there. We were wanting to have an entertainmen/sporting precinct. When we could see it wouldn’t work, we dropped our submission.
 

Miket12

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Eden Park has been granted a Resource Consent to hold up to six concerts per year on Saturday and Sunday (if Monday is a public holiday) evenings.

Opponents have until 5 February to lodge an appeal to the Environment Court.

Funny that Auckland Council are prepared to give away revenue that council owned venues generate to allow that revenue to go to a venue that they repeatedly bail out.
 
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