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Astounds me that the council is not demanding a stake in Eden park for the money we are ponying up.

Suckers, demonstrating how deep their old boys networks run.
You’ve also got stupidity on behalf of the Council who have decided not to change the planning rules which would have allowed the EPTB to develop Eden Park #2 so they could reduce their debt and possibly have some money left over for urgently needed maintenance work.

Council’s excuse is that the district plan does not allow for any develop of Eden Park #2. It’s their district plan... they can change it if they want!!!
 
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Eden Parking is getting $60m from the council. They're currently arguing with the council saying the $10m on top of the $50m should be a grant and not a interest free loan. Unbelievable
Is this a done deal???
 
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words fail me...

who are the 12 morons who voted for this. Probably the ones getting their own box at EP

“She added that the chair of the trust board, Doug McKay, is also chair of the BNZ, and he had advised against the loan. "He's an accountant and this decision now is going to be made by a whole lot of councillors who are not accountants."
Jesus wept...
 
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Am I reading this correctly? Eden Park Trust retain the value of the site but the ratepayers meet the cost?

Why don’t the council take thevfreehold of the site in return for the loan security and the grant, lease it back to the trust for say 10 years then sell it on after 10 years for housing and get some value for the ratepayers of the city.

The 10 years would buy some time to resolve all of the city’s stadium needs and get something built.

Nothing is forever. Eden Park sounds like a place that is a financial sink hole now
 
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Am I reading this correctly? Eden Park Trust retain the value of the site but the ratepayers meet the cost?

Why don’t the council take thevfreehold of the site in return for the loan security and the grant, lease it back to the trust for say 10 years then sell it on after 10 years for housing and get some value for the ratepayers of the city.

The 10 years would buy some time to resolve all of the city’s stadium needs and get something built.

Nothing is forever. Eden Park sounds like a place that is a financial sink hole now
Don't be stupid. This is the Auckland Council we are talking about
 
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Those f$#^ !"({#!:'](# $^@!!~ 😡🤬🤦‍♂️🤷‍♀️

Stupid cunts!!!

Just beggars belief that they could be so stupid and reckless with our ratepayers money. To give in so easily without any security stinks of a fucking rort! These guys are all in bed together and someone needs to hold these complete muppets to account.

Apologies. So upset at the shortsighted idiocy of this move that basically gifts Auckland Cricket $63 million. They couldn't pay the last loan off. How the fuck are they going to meet even the interest on this one???
 
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Those f$#^ !"({#!:'](# $^@!!~ 😡🤬🤦‍♂️🤷‍♀️

Stupid cunts!!!

Just beggars belief that they could be so stupid and reckless with our ratepayers money. To give in so easily without any security stinks of a fucking rort! These guys are all in bed together and someone needs to hold these complete muppets to account.

Apologies. So upset at the shortsighted idiocy of this move that basically gifts Auckland Cricket $63 million. They couldn't pay the last loan off. How the fuck are they going to meet even the interest on this one???
you all got to remember if i got this right, the council were on the hook for the original loan as guarantors. Therefore they couldn't default on the loan because the trust already had, and kicked it back to them. I'm not sure the council had an out on the original loan. What beggars belief is that they didn't roll the trust up and sell the fucken park, or do anything but give them more money.
 
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I thought rah rah influence was bad in the UK. Is this the old boys network in action or am I being paranoid?
 
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The morons in favour of the grant: Christine Fletcher, Tau Henare, Mike Lee, Daniel Newman, Greg Sayers, Desley Simpson, Sharon Stewart, David Taipari, Sir John Walker, Wayne Walker, John Watson and Paul Young.

Those in favour of a loan: Ross Clow, Josephine Bartley, Cathy Casey, Fa'ananu Efeso Collins, Linda Cooper, Chris Darby, Alf Filipaina, Phil Goff, Richard Hills, Penny Hulse.
Absent: Bill Cashmore.

More detail in this article -

 
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Take your head out the sand Mr Watson!!!

“Cr John Watson supported the grant. He said it was "total nonsense" to suggest the trust might get into trouble. "Eden Park is our national stadium and it's here to stay," he said.”
 
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Take your head out the sand Mr Watson!!!

“Cr John Watson supported the grant. He said it was "total nonsense" to suggest the trust might get into trouble. "Eden Park is our national stadium and it's here to stay," he said.”
It's only "here to stay" because people like Cr Watson get suckered into loaning EPTB money which they can never repay.

My advice to Cr Watson would be to head a charge to get the District Plan changed to allow the EPTB to develop Eden Park #2 instead of continuously giving what amounts to blank cheques to EPTB every few years!
 
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You are all ignorant peasants who could never understant the grand plan being hatched.

Glo al warming is happening, in a few years Eden Park will be a waterfront stadium, or under. That will mean building large stopbanks around the park which will enable international a ts to row to the stadium and perform. The stopbanks will deaden the noise so no complaints.

Also throughout history there has never been a recorded instance of a fish or mollusc making a noise complaint. Genius.
 
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This is the part I don't understand :

"In fact, the park is allowed to stage up to six concerts a year, but applying for a consent for each one is expensive and so time-consuming, the process can take more than a year. Promoters and the trust just don't bother.

The trust estimates it forgoes up to $1 million in net revenue per lost concert, while the city loses $150 million in economic activity."


Isn't it the council that makes the rules around consents? If they're so invested in the Stadium, why don't they just let it put on loads of events?! "Allowed six concerts a year", let them have however many they can. Why do the local residents wield so much power over what happens there?

In the words of Geoff Toovey, there needs to be an investigation!!
 
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This is the part I don't understand :

"In fact, the park is allowed to stage up to six concerts a year, but applying for a consent for each one is expensive and so time-consuming, the process can take more than a year. Promoters and the trust just don't bother.

The trust estimates it forgoes up to $1 million in net revenue per lost concert, while the city loses $150 million in economic activity."



Isn't it the council that makes the rules around consents? If they're so invested in the Stadium, why don't they just let it put on loads of events?! "Allowed six concerts a year", let them have however many they can. Why do the local residents wield so much power over what happens there?

In the words of Geoff Toovey, there needs to be an investigation!!
They make a District zplan for local things bt the Resurce Management Act regulates it nationally.

Anyone has the right to oppose a Consent. The can make them non notifiable but Councils dont have the balls to tell opposers to rack off.
 
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This is the part I don't understand :

"In fact, the park is allowed to stage up to six concerts a year, but applying for a consent for each one is expensive and so time-consuming, the process can take more than a year. Promoters and the trust just don't bother.

The trust estimates it forgoes up to $1 million in net revenue per lost concert, while the city loses $150 million in economic activity."



Isn't it the council that makes the rules around consents? If they're so invested in the Stadium, why don't they just let it put on loads of events?! "Allowed six concerts a year", let them have however many they can. Why do the local residents wield so much power over what happens there?

In the words of Geoff Toovey, there needs to be an investigation!!
Yeah the Eden Park residents are some of the most savvy residents at kick up a fuss. They know how to obstruct the consenting process and make it difficult to get consents passed through.
It's not uncommon for promoters to bribe local residents with free tickets or trips away to get troublesome residents to sign off on consents in other areas.
 
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This is the part I don't understand :

"In fact, the park is allowed to stage up to six concerts a year, but applying for a consent for each one is expensive and so time-consuming, the process can take more than a year. Promoters and the trust just don't bother.

The trust estimates it forgoes up to $1 million in net revenue per lost concert, while the city loses $150 million in economic activity."



Isn't it the council that makes the rules around consents? If they're so invested in the Stadium, why don't they just let it put on loads of events?! "Allowed six concerts a year", let them have however many they can. Why do the local residents wield so much power over what happens there?

In the words of Geoff Toovey, there needs to be an investigation!!
I'm trying to remember if there was a Planning Commission for the extensions to the stadium for the RWC or if it was done in a similar manner to the old Public Works Act where, if it was decided that the govt. wanted your land or wanted to put something up next to you "in the national interest", you had no say.

If it was a Planning Commission, either the EPTB, in an attempt to appease the neighours, would have put conditions on their application or the Commission would have put conditions such as hours of use, lighting, parking etc. as conditions of them granting the Resource Consent application.
 
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