General Asi vs CHT Thread

Wrighty

Wrighty

The plaudits are flowing in for Daejarn's Asi's debut for the Warriors. Is he better than Chanel Harris-Tavita?
Should he be retained at 6 when Chanel Harris-Tavita returns and Chanel Harris-Tavita sent to Centre?
Yes it is too soon to say definitively after one game but let's keep track of opinions as the games unfold and see what the views are?

Here is an article on him


Daejarn Asi, a star is born for Warriors after incredible debut for club

It was a baptism of fire for Daejarn Asi for the Warriors against the Raiders on Saturday, but he didn’t let himself or anyone else down.
Shaun Johnson will get all the headlines for again kicking a match winning golden point field goal in the 21-20 victory, but Asi had a performance to cap off what’s been an unbelievable week for him.
Asi has gone from being unwanted by the Cowboys and running around in the Queensland Cup, to someone who has just had a career and probably life changing 80 minutes.

To play your first NRL game of the year, for a club you’ve only been at for a few days was always going to be a hard ask.

That’s especially the case when you’re only 21 and have played just 10 NRL games over the previous two years.
But Asi got what every player wants, an opportunity and boy, did he take it.
The 21-year-old, who was born in Christchurch, grew up a Warriors fan, even though he moved to Australia at a young age and he did the jersey proud.
There were so many moments that stood out. He made a goal line tackle early in the game on Corey Harawira-Naera that saved a try and he was there to gather the ball after Nick Cotric dropped a pass from Jordan Rapana, which resulted in the Warriors’ first try.

For the Warriors’ next try Asi was sensational, earlier in the set he threw a good crisp pass out wide to stretch the Raiders defence, then when he had the ball again, chipped the ball over the green defensive line perfectly, with the ball sitting up for Viliame Vailea.
It was Asi’s huge hit on Brad Schneider that lifted spirits early in the second half and he went on to throw the bullet pass to Euan Aitken to put him in a hole for the next try and was integral in the comeback.

Daejarn Asi celebrates Viliami Vailea’s try, after setting him up with a wonderful kick.

BRADLEY KANARIS/GETTY IMAGES
Daejarn Asi celebrates Viliami Vailea’s try, after setting him up with a wonderful kick.

If the Warriors lost this game, it wouldn’t have been down to Asi. The other players around him needed to step up more than they did, because despite the two points, this was a far from flawless Warriors win.
It was a poor first half against a team nowhere near as good as the Storm were last week and against the top sides, this could have been another ugly thrashing.
But credit where it’s due, because the Warriors grabbed momentum in the second half and kept it all the way through to Johnson’s field goal.
Asi played just as well as Harris-Tavita has for most of this season. Nathan Brown may have wanted him to keep things pretty simple. Even so, he offered more than just throwing passes one out and getting in the way when the Raiders were on attack. It was like he’d been with the team since preseason.
With Kodi Nikorima expected to have recovered from Covid-19 by the time of next weekend’s game against the Sharks, Brown has a tricky decision to make over who he chooses to partner Johnson in the halves. Asi or Nikorima?
As for the future, Ash Taylor is unlikely to ever play again, Nikorima isn’t expected to be at the club next year and with Harris-Tavita still not reaching an agreement with the club over a new contract, Asi may have already done enough for the Warriors to offer him a long-term deal.
 
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Ryaan

I’d still prefer Chanel Harris-Tavita, with the number of games Chanel has played now we should start seeing some real growth in his game and this year we have seen area’s of his game improve, however on the warriors website they have Asi Listed as a centre so i’d expect Chanel Harris-Tavita to stay as the preferred half
 
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wizards rage

wizards rage

Asi vs Niko for next weeks game is more the immediate question
 
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rugged

rugged

Asi could easily slot into centre.
Weren't their whispers he was a poor trainer? This may be what Browny was hinting at in.the presser
"Daejarn's just got to work out what type of player he wants to be and what level he wants to get to."
 
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WarriorDave

WarriorDave

Why are we talking up Asi like he's the next Jonothan Thurston after one game for us?

He's been unable to break into a Cowboys team that has had struggling halves recently.
Don't get me wrong, I liked his performance, but Chanel Harris-Tavita slots straight back in when he's fit - he's earned the jersey this year and rightfully so.

Asi is good cover, nothing more at the moment. If he steps up and demands the spot like Luai did at the Panthers then we can have the discussion - but it's not even up for conversation right now.
 
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jsmooove

jsmooove

Chanel Harris-Tavita. Asi played really well against terrible opposition. when hes played more games against better teams and been in close games against good teams then its time to judge.
 
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Wrighty

Wrighty

Why is this a thread? Ridiculous.
Sure its ridiculously premature now but a chance to track changing opinions if he can string 2-3 good performances in a row.
We can track who said what when if he does end up being the real deal
Asi is a year younger than Chanel and has played much fewer games (11 vs 44) so to show so well so early in his career suggests he will over take very quickly? Just a thought.
 
WarriorDave

WarriorDave

Asi is a year younger than Chanel and has played much fewer games (11 vs 44) so to show so well so early in his career suggests he will over take very quickly? Just a thought.
You nailed it there, he's played 11 games to Chanel's 44. He'd have played a similar amount of games, if he were that good.

I like the kid, played with heart, but let's not count our chickens. We've got a very good player in Chanel this year as he's starting to come into it. I'd love for Asi to own a role, but he's come up playing in the centres and the only other option to play in the halves at the moment who was fit was Siro - so let's be realistic.
 
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Five&Last

Five&Last

If you ignore the match winning field goals, Chanel Harris-Tavita has been more impactful than Shaun Johnson this season. He's one of the first players picked at the moment for me.

I am stoked that we have Asi as first drop instead of having to go back to Kodi this year.

I dont even know whether we have capacity to hold onto him next year anyway. Teams usually only hold 4 halves on 30 man roster. Next year we have Chanel Harris-Tavita, Shaun Johnson, Volkman and Metcalf. Plus we have to keep space on the 4 man development list for Tito-Harris and Manuleleua if they choose us. That would be 6 full time halves contracted to us.

Plus I'm very wary that Asi has a reputation as a poor trainer.

I'm willing to put money on Asi not being with us next year. Unless something breaks down in the Chanel Harris-Tavita negotiations.
 
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WarriorDave

WarriorDave

Plus I'm very wary that Asi has a reputation as a poor trainer.
That was also Curran's reputation too and we turned that one around.

He is listed as a centre/fullback so I'd say that's more than likely where we see him for next year and he was dropped into the halves due to our current situation.

Reminds me of CNK a little.
 
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Mr Dragon

Mr Dragon

Chanel Harris-Tavita should get starting duties and Asi would be a great reserve to bring on, looks like he could fit a lot of positions from half to centre and winger, great buy for us!
 
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Wrighty

Wrighty

You nailed it there, he's played 11 games to Chanel's 44. He'd have played a similar amount of games, if he were that good.
Cowboys forum said he was a good player who deserved more chances than what he got.
Cowboys have been stacked with backs the past few years as well so Chanel Harris-Tavita would have only got 10 games in as well in that organisation.

Here is an example of their backs depth.

2022 Game one starting backs

1 Tabuai Fidow
2 Feldt
3 Val Holmes
4 Peta Hiku
5 Tualagi
6 Dearden
7 Townsend

2021 Game one starting backs

1 Drinkwater
2 Feldt
3 Esan Masters
4 Tabuai Fidow
5 Val Holmes
6 Morgan
7 Jake Clifford

2020 Game one starting backs

1 Val Holmes
2 Feldt
3 Justin O'neil
4 Esan Masters
5 Ben Hampton
6 Drinkwater
7 Morgan
 
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Five&Last

Five&Last

That was also Curran's reputation too and we turned that one around.

He is listed as a centre/fullback so I'd say that's more than likely where we see him for next year and he was dropped into the halves due to our current situation.

Reminds me of CNK a little.
I don't remember him having a poor reputation as a trainer. He got injured had a long lay off and then struggled to get back in shape with no off-season. I mean Curran's still not in "professional athlete" condition, so him being out of shape looks even worse. He just needed a kick up the arse to lose some weight.

I'm just wary of tweener players who are not necessary skilled enough to play halves full time but not athletic enough or good enough defenders to play in the centres full time. They are kind of just stuck between the two positions. Gives off Carlos Tuimavave vibes. I think Asi is definitely more of a half, but i think we have better options for next year.
 
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Dannevegas

Dannevegas

The plaudits are flowing in for Daejarn's Asi's debut for the Warriors. Is he better than Chanel Harris-Tavita?
Should he be retained at 6 when Chanel Harris-Tavita returns and Chanel Harris-Tavita sent to Centre?
Yes it is too soon to say definitively after one game but let's keep track of opinions as the games unfold and see what the views are?

Here is an article on him


Daejarn Asi, a star is born for Warriors after incredible debut for club

It was a baptism of fire for Daejarn Asi for the Warriors against the Raiders on Saturday, but he didn’t let himself or anyone else down.
Shaun Johnson will get all the headlines for again kicking a match winning golden point field goal in the 21-20 victory, but Asi had a performance to cap off what’s been an unbelievable week for him.
Asi has gone from being unwanted by the Cowboys and running around in the Queensland Cup, to someone who has just had a career and probably life changing 80 minutes.

To play your first NRL game of the year, for a club you’ve only been at for a few days was always going to be a hard ask.

That’s especially the case when you’re only 21 and have played just 10 NRL games over the previous two years.
But Asi got what every player wants, an opportunity and boy, did he take it.
The 21-year-old, who was born in Christchurch, grew up a Warriors fan, even though he moved to Australia at a young age and he did the jersey proud.
There were so many moments that stood out. He made a goal line tackle early in the game on Corey Harawira-Naera that saved a try and he was there to gather the ball after Nick Cotric dropped a pass from Jordan Rapana, which resulted in the Warriors’ first try.

For the Warriors’ next try Asi was sensational, earlier in the set he threw a good crisp pass out wide to stretch the Raiders defence, then when he had the ball again, chipped the ball over the green defensive line perfectly, with the ball sitting up for Viliame Vailea.
It was Asi’s huge hit on Brad Schneider that lifted spirits early in the second half and he went on to throw the bullet pass to Euan Aitken to put him in a hole for the next try and was integral in the comeback.

Daejarn Asi celebrates Viliami Vailea’s try, after setting him up with a wonderful kick.

BRADLEY KANARIS/GETTY IMAGES
Daejarn Asi celebrates Viliami Vailea’s try, after setting him up with a wonderful kick.

If the Warriors lost this game, it wouldn’t have been down to Asi. The other players around him needed to step up more than they did, because despite the two points, this was a far from flawless Warriors win.
It was a poor first half against a team nowhere near as good as the Storm were last week and against the top sides, this could have been another ugly thrashing.
But credit where it’s due, because the Warriors grabbed momentum in the second half and kept it all the way through to Johnson’s field goal.
Asi played just as well as Harris-Tavita has for most of this season. Nathan Brown may have wanted him to keep things pretty simple. Even so, he offered more than just throwing passes one out and getting in the way when the Raiders were on attack. It was like he’d been with the team since preseason.
With Kodi Nikorima expected to have recovered from Covid-19 by the time of next weekend’s game against the Sharks, Brown has a tricky decision to make over who he chooses to partner Johnson in the halves. Asi or Nikorima?
As for the future, Ash Taylor is unlikely to ever play again, Nikorima isn’t expected to be at the club next year and with Harris-Tavita still not reaching an agreement with the club over a new contract, Asi may have already done enough for the Warriors to offer him a long-term deal.
Easy, Chanel Harris-Tavita 6 Asi to Centre
 

Mr Brownstone

Geez Wrighty this thread will obviously attract the Chanel Harris-Tavita fan club like moths to a flame!

Clearly you can’t judge off 1 game - just go take a look at Warriors v Manly last game of 2020 as an example. Chanel Harris-Tavita played brilliantly, ball on a string, easy to draw the conclusion after watching that 2021 he was going to step up and dominate consistently. However not helped by injuries he stunk it up big time.

So my 1 cents worth - impossible to have a view on Asi, 1 game doesn’t make a player. Still far from convinced on Chanel Harris-Tavita as a long term halves prospect but he’s going better this season & deserves his spot for now. Happy for Asi to play centre or bench utility.
 
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pompower

pompower

Honestly, I'm a huge Chanel Harris-Tavita fan, and I don't think this thread is really all that premature.

To start off with, seeing Asi at centre for the Cowboys is enough for me to feel that he's not a long term option there. Write that one off. He is a 6, through and through. I also wouldn't read too much into his number of games + the Cowboys releasing him. He debuted in Green's horrorshow of a team, new coach comes in, and the next season you've got 1.5m in halves joining the team — they're going to play, full stop. More interested in Cowboys fans being sad to see him go.

Now, in reality, I feel like this discussion is less about Chanel Harris-Tavita vs Asi specifically, and more about Chanel Harris-Tavita vs a player like Asi, who does a lot of things that Chanel Harris-Tavita just doesn't do. Asi engages the line constantly, his footwork is a weapon, and he's always keen to make the big pass or put on the big play. He's an instinctive player with bags of talent. That comes with caveats though — he may have the ability to win/keep us in games like he did yesterday, but equally he may frustrate with decisions that you won't understand. How that ratio works tends to decide the careers of these types of halves.

I think Chanel is potentially a great player, but he's developed into a very different type of player than Asi. I tend to agree with the thought that he's more of a traditional 7. Still a ton for him to improve but with teams mostly paying attention to Shaun, Chanel has had more time and space, and he's been a highlight. Really impressed with him this season and nice to see him grow in confidence, get more vocal and make better decisions. Quickly becoming a cult hero with the ever-growing list of gutsy performances he's put in.

All in all, I don't really think we need to choose. Firstly, Chanel Harris-Tavita has earned the right to be the incumbent, and Asi has enough utility value that he'd probably be more useful than Kodi as a 14. Secondly, both our starting halves have has issues with injuries, so either way it's great to have cover that isn't called "Kodi Nikorima".

Going forward, it's a good problem to have, though, especially with the additions of Metcalf and Volkman.
 
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