General Adam Goodes Racism

[oman]

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/new...e-compares-adam-goodes-to-king-kong-on-radio/

Pretty stupid of Eddie McGuire to say this after the apology he made to him because of that 13 year old Collingwood fan who called Goodes an Ape.

Looks like people want him off air according to the YES-NO poll:

Anyway, thoughts?

 

[smc]

In my experience racism and Australians go hand in hand.

 

[Qtownwarrior]

In my experience racism and Australians go hand in hand.

Always heard this from people I knew that had moved here etc but since arriving myself I find it extremely awkward at how prevalent it seems to be, its just normal from what i can see.

 

[smc]

Always heard this from people I knew that had moved here etc but since arriving myself I find it extremely awkward at how prevalent it seems to be, its just normal from what i can see.

UK's the same.
Makes NZ seem like a decent kind of place to live.

 

[Sup42]

I just worked out it's the Who wants to be a Millionaire guy lol


Lock in D ) please Eddie


A) Eddie was tired

B) It slipped out

C) Eddie didn't mean Anything by It

D ) Eddie doesn't like cheeky Darkies

 

[Qtownwarrior]

UK's the same.
Makes NZ seem like a decent kind of place to live.

Yea from what I can see the more places I've visited there isn't anything quite like home

 

[Ryan]

I laugh every time a precious Kiwi claims that racism in Australia is more prevalent than NZ. The only difference is that (racist) Australian's don't beat around the bush about it.

 

[Sir Bluey]

I laugh every time a precious Kiwi claims that racism in Australia is more prevalent than NZ. The only difference is that (racist) Australian's don't beat around the bush about it.

unless your Winston Peters

 

[AttilaTheGorilla]

That's a harmless comment, nothing racist about it.

 

[Ryan]

unless your Winston Peters

That's true. There are a few (famous) Kiwis who are open about their xenophobia, but the cultural trend is to keep quiet about it unless amongst like-minded company.

 

[gREVUS]

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/new...e-compares-adam-goodes-to-king-kong-on-radio/

Pretty stupid of Eddie McGuire to say this after the apology he made to him because of that 13 year old Collingwood fan who called Goodes an Ape.


Anyway, thoughts?

Your right it's really stupid after being forced to make an apology for a statement he didn't make about apes, to come out and try and link the player to anything relating to gorillas, apes or monkeys. Levity is something that radio hosts do tend to push a bit and often fall flat on, and if he hadn't made the apology I think the joke would have been harmless. But once you've apologised you have effectively drawn a line in the sand that you should not cross.

Interestingly there has been a lot of backlash in letters to the ed in local papers here in Melbourne. A lot of people unhappy at how they treated a 13 year old girl. As far as I can see they may have a case. Players get boo'ed, yelled at and abused every time they go on the pitch. Was this really the worst thing that was said about that player that day? Was that really the worst thing that he heard that day. More than a few think it was a setup because it was indigenous day to highlight racism. I dunno but it was interesting that when she got escorted out there was no Parent or relative going with her. I don't know to many 13 year old girls but I have trouble imagining that many go to AFL games by themselves and sit in the front row (Conspiracy? probably)

I hate racism, but when did the world get so fucken defensive. The other day on this forum in another thread there was the accusation that by talking about the question it implied that I was a Krakka. Well bugger me sideways - I know that I never vilified anyone based on race or gender but by making that comment I was being stereotyped if not vilified. My favourite quote for all time - from author Robert Hienlein's book Starship Troopers; "Comeon you APES, you want to live foreva!"

I like to use that quote a lot, used it during the Black Saturday Bushfires (said for effect, dunno if anyone else even heard it, but I heard it and I needed to hear it). Now I'm told I cant say it because it contains the word APE?

I still think McGuire cocked up, but all this shit over the word Ape is bannanas.

 

[fanrrior]

Could categorizing another country as racist in of itself be considered "racist"?

 

[Sup42]

That's true. There are a few (famous) Kiwis who are open about their xenophobia, but the cultural trend is to keep quiet about it unless amongst like-minded company.

I tend to agree...to some degree....
However t hat pretense leads to great things ( springbok tours 1980's ) it's hard to imagine Aussies doing the same.

Having said that there are always exceptions , the Sorry Tee shirts Midnight oil wore at the Olympics in front of John Howard were more potent than dropping flour bombs on a rugby field or throwing rocks at the red squad in the streets of Ponsonby.
They had the balls to look within

 

[rugged]

Could categorizing another country as racist in of itself be considered "racist"?

No because Australia is a country made up of many races and and are not a race in and of themselves.

I thnk that some people ,au be more quiet about their racism in NZ proves that it is overall a less racist culture. In my experiences Australians are far more openly racist in social settings, I don't see this as them just be more willing to speak their mind, I see it as a culture that is more accepting of racism.

 

[Sup42]

There are different thoughts about what constitutes racism.

Without going into it too much , the phenomena is a recent one , by recent I mean the Slave trade out of Africa.

To justify Slavery religious arguments were put forward about the inferiority of one race versus another,

Before that people tended to kill each other for other differences ( group A has money so we hate them , Group B worships a different God so we Hate them....but we still like their money etc )

The Difference between racism and prejudice is that all races can be prejudice.

Racism on the other hand a luxury that the Race in power in any given system has to use that position to discriminate against their less powerful targets.

You won't find that definition in Wiki or Dictionaries per say , but it is at the core of academic theory about the history and therefore the facts that separate racism from prejudice ( from an academic purest stand point ).

 

[Moz]

In my experiences I've lived in both places Oz is no more or no less racist than NZ, don't believe me just try listening to talkback on a random day it will open our eyes, Ive met a lot of good Ozzies in QLD and haven't had trouble with racism, I've been here the last six years, found most of the Oz guys I work with pretty normal dudes who are just trying to get ahead like everywhere else. I've also have landed work on some pretty good projects since I've been here and every job I've received has been because an Australian has recommended/vouched for me every single time, and Ive worked with a lot of Kiwis.

When I first arrived on the coast I was killing time with a workmate ( who was a 6'4 130kg Maori boy from West Akld ) we went into a store that sold only Rolexes and other top end watches we were looking at these insane watches that cost as much as a small BMW. The little middle-aged white lady came out from the counter asked if we'd need a closer look, she opened the cabinet and said here feel the weight and explained a bit about the watch... when we left the store my bro turned to me and said jeez if we were back home that wouldn't have happened she would have assumed we had no money and ignored us, all the while watching us like a hawk out of the corner of her eye with one hand ready to push the silent alarm and we cracked up... true story

Don't know Eddie but Im assuming he just thought he was a funny ciiaaarnt and made a cock of himself

 

[Gizzyfan]

There are different thoughts about what constitutes racism.

Without going into it too much , the phenomena is a recent one , by recent I mean the Slave trade out of Africa.

To justify Slavery religious arguments were put forward about the inferiority of one race versus another,

Before that people tended to kill each other for other differences ( group A has money so we hate them , Group B worships a different God so we Hate them....but we still like their money etc )

The Difference between racism and prejudice is that all races can be prejudice.

Racism on the other hand a luxury that the Race in power in any given system has to use that position to discriminate against their less powerful targets.

You won't find that definition in Wiki or Dictionaries per say , but it is at the core of academic theory about the history and therefore the facts that separate racism from prejudice ( from an academic purest stand point ).

Sort of agree but I think it came down to technology, especially the ability to move distances, the wheel, sai, to encounter different people and beliefs. Apparently neandethals and humans occupied the same region at the same time. No one knows why they died out. I can hazard a guess based on what has followed. The crusades were partially racist IMO. They have a lot in common with WW2 particularly in Russia. However, Islam had Saladin, the Russians had Zhukov.

 

[gREVUS]

Sort of agree but I think it came down to technology, especially the ability to move distances, the wheel, sai, to encounter different people and beliefs. Apparently neandethals and humans occupied the same region at the same time. No one knows why they died out. I can hazard a guess based on what has followed. The crusades were partially racist IMO. They have a lot in common with WW2 particularly in Russia. However, Islam had Saladin, the Russians had Zhukov.

Current theory is that they didn't die out at all but continuous interbreeding assimilated them into what we are today. Which is pretty much true all round the world looking at every race, were all a mish mash, or amalgam if you will of all the other races that conquered or transited the various parts of the globe. the term Pure could really only applie to roughly 10 generations back at the most while looking at most people. In places like the US and NZ most would have trouble going back 3 generations without another genetic bloodline being introduced. One of the very rare examples of racial purity would be the Aboriginals of Australia (1000's of generations). However there is conjecture that they had visitation from NG who had visits from Asia.

 

[Gizzyfan]

Current theory is that they didn't die out at all but continuous interbreeding assimilated them into what we are today. Which is pretty much true all round the world looking at every race, were all a mish mash, or amalgam if you will of all the other races that conquered or transited the various parts of the globe. the term Pure could really only applie to roughly 10 generations back at the most while looking at most people. In places like the US and NZ most would have trouble going back 3 generations without another genetic bloodline being introduced. One of the very rare examples of racial purity would be the Aboriginals of Australia (1000's of generations). However there is conjecture that they had visitation from NG who had visits from Asia.

Looking at images of neanderthals I'd suggest the interbreeding started soon after the use of alcohol started, and has continued ever since.